"L" Advanced Logic Mode Filtering?

[happya$$]

Mike,

Could you please make it clear to us on what exactly the "L" Advanced Logic mode filters? Does it effect X band only or all bands?

[CactusMan]

I am thinking that the "L" filters only the X band.

[MikeV]

Mike,

Could you please make it clear to us on what exactly the "L" Advanced Logic mode filters? Does it effect X band only or all bands?

From page 14 in the manual:

Computer Modes: A new way to interpret alarms

In the All-Bogeys® (A) mode, all bogeys will be reported
as soon as they are detected. Use your judgment to decide
whether or not they are threats.

In the Logic® (L) and Advanced-Logic® (l) modes, you are
deferring to the internal computer which will use its own
logic to screen bogeys before reporting them to you.

In Logic, X-band bogeys the computer judges to be
non-threatening will be reported at the “muted” volume. If
they become threatening, the audio warning will upgrade
to the “initial” volume before you are within radar range.

In Advanced-Logic, X-band bogeys that the computer has
reason to believe aren’t radar will not be reported at all.
One exception: To be failsafe, the computer will always
pass extremely strong signals along for your judgment.
This mode is particularly useful in metro areas.

The computer is smart: It never operates the receiving
circuits at less than maximum sensitivity and it knows that
Instant-on is a greater threat than ordinary radar. So it will
always warn you immediately at the “initial” volume when
those radars are detected, no matter what mode you’ve
selected.

To change modes, press and hold the Control Knob for one
second.

[happya$$]

Stalkervision come on man be a little more respectfull. Quit trying to start nonsense. If you have nothing creative to add then stay out of this forum

[happya$$]

From my understanding Bel and Escort have been invited to this forum. It is to EVERYONES benefit that we create a comfortable environment to where Mr. Valentine and others can join us and educate us a little more. We can still have our fun. As far as people's siganture you cant expect us to catch everything on this board. We will take care his signature shortly. Let me go and see what it says

[Veil Guy]

stalkervision,

CP still has fans here. My count, at least two.

The Veil Guy 8)

[sethy]

I wish I knew who GP was...

That may help me feel a big more educated

[jimbonzzz]

I wish I knew who GP was...

That may help me feel a big more educated

[sethy]

I mean why some ppl hate him so much :)

[jimbonzzz]

Well, I'll send you a PM about it with all of the background.
I don't want to drag up a bunch of old stuff if you know what I mean :)

[sethy]

stalkervision,

CP still has fans here. My count, at least two.

The Veil Guy 8)

Well, that will change soon won't it... :wink: It's nice mike v. is a member but I also see it as a real "conflict of interest" Where we took shots at every radar detector company and reviewer here I see a very unwelcome trend in what was an "open board" Don't kid yourself either it's already happening... :( The "tone" here has already totally changed....

well I suppose I can always look back at the old posts with fond memories of the old RADARDETECTOR.NET
lol nothing is going to change. I think the baord is just a bit excited that a well known engineer has joined up with us. My opinions with the x50 and v1 have not changed, and im sure others feel the same way as well..

[RacerX]

Mike,
i think this is one of those areas where the manual needs a definite update. correct me if i'm wrong, but don't they also affect k-band when option "7" is enabled?

[sethy]

To me, it is having another REP on board. My opinions have not changed. I say we just move on from this topic...

[sethy]

Yup, I think its if we make a crack at the v1 we have to be a little concerned ;)

But I am still not afriad to state my opinions... V1 needs a setting for a K band filter, and the laser is rediculous... Although I will admit that it is very impressive it alert to stealth mode, which may make the supersensitive laser worth while...

[happya$$]

Yup, I think its if we make a crack at the v1 we have to be a little concerned ;)

But I am still not afriad to state my opinions... V1 needs a setting for a K band filter, and the laser is rediculous... Although I will admit that it is very impressive it alert to stealth mode, which may make the supersensitive laser worth while...

Yes V1 does need a K band filter I agree 100% but my laser experiences with my latest unit have been nothing but positive. I do not have the laser falses that you seem to be having Sethy. I used to have them with V1.8 non POP (mounted low). I never said that the V1 was perfect.

[RacerX]

So, anyways.. back to the topic.. :)

I'm getting ready for the k band test on the v-1, here's the link.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=13054#13054

let me know if i'm missing something.
thanks.

[jimbonzzz]

Actually, instant-on can simply be flipping the unit from standby to transmit, there's not a set time for instant-on because the cop could flip it on and off at will.
A tenth of a second is almost as short as a pop burst, are you sure you're not thinking of POP?

Jim

[jimbonzzz]

Yep, there are units like that..

[RacerX]

.
Do it right and don't decide as a compairson to run two detectors together please...

no problem, it's only going to be my V-1 i'm testing.

As for the 2 seconds, i figure if i have the gun fired for 2 seconds each time, it will make the testing more consistent. what do you think, Professor?

thanks for the input guys.

[jimbonzzz]

As for the 2 seconds, i figure if i have the gun fired for 2 seconds each time, it will make the testing more consistent. what do you think, Professor?

Yep, sounds good to me :D

[Brent_Vino]

I told you guys I wasn't Mike Valentine... and I am not employed by VR.


Now, my backup has arrived. :twisted: Let's Dance.

[compu44]

Yep, there are units like that..

Hmm. About how long do these take to get a reading and are they at a frequency that's likely to be detected by my RX65? After JTW's tests of the X50, i'm just a tad concerned about the instant-on performance of my RX.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong on this, but none of the DSP of the Belscort units shouldn't be in effect if the unit is in highway mode, right?

[jimbonzzz]

Yep, there are units like that..

Hmm. About how long do these take to get a reading and are they at a frequency that's likely to be detected by my RX65? After JTW's tests of the X50, i'm just a tad concerned about the instant-on performance of my RX.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong on this, but none of the DSP of the Belscort units shouldn't be in effect if the unit is in highway mode, right?

Well, I believe I've heard of units like that before, but I think if anything it was an obscure feature, and I dont think any of the newer, current radar models have this (the closest thing is POP). Pretty much all of the units nowdays have the RF Hold or Standby that can be flipped on or off at will, or tied to the trigger.

I wouldn't be all too concerned just yet, maybe just a little bit :D
IMHO the verdict is still out on this. It has been suggested that the BEL and Escort sometimes overload at close range and won't alert at all. I don't remember where I heard this though. Actually I thought that I saw a post where Mike V told this to someone, but I can't find the post now? (If anyone knows where I saw this, let me know!!!)

I know in my own testing of the RX-65 with an MPH K-15 K-band radar unit at close range, I can quick-trigger the gun so fast that the RX-65 doesn't alert (and V1 alerts every time) But, this test might not be accurate. I've seen enough inconsistent behavior by the BEL at close range to make me think that the close-range testing is a problem and might not be accurate.

Radar units nowdays can acquire a speed vetry fast: just as fast or faster than they can be switched from standby to transmit and back to standby again.

I would say that the DSP is "on" all of the time as part of the way the unit works, and the detector just changes the algorithm it uses to evaluate the signal in the different modes. But I doubt that the DSP is necessarily causing a slower reaction time, if indeed there IS a problem with this in the BEL.

Jim

[compu44]

Thanks professor Jim. The reason I asked about the DSP wasn't so much that I was concerned with the delay, as that I was wondering if the signal strength was such that it was ignoring it. Might you mind trying a few quick trigger tests with your K-15 at a little longer range if you have some spare time one day? Maybe have your wife drive the car with the RX in at towards you and quick trigger the radar? When you say that the RX65 didn't alert, did it never alert or was it an intermittant thing?

I assume the RX is running some frequencies (33.800) as priorities since it seems to do an excelent job of POP detection, but seems to fall behind with fast signals from other areas of the bands. I know it can handle POP pretty well, as I loaned it to a friend to use on a two day trip once. He was headed to Indiana from Illinois. Came up on a big hill with one car a decent way in front of him. The officer POP'ed the car ahead of him before my friend crested the hill, and saved said friend from what would have been one nasty ticket (I won't even tell the speed, i'll just say he was 'rockin')

While it's not something that's going to cause a great loss of sleep for me, I do just like to know what the limitations of my equipment is before i'm informed of them by an officer. I drive with the RX65 all the time, but I still drive as if I didn't have it. I know my eyes are the best weapon of all, and besides, if i'm pushing a speed, I should be looking farther down the road anyways!

[happya$$]

"I drive with the RX65 all the time, but I still drive as if I didn't have it. I know my eyes are the best weapon of all, and besides, if i'm pushing a speed, I should be looking farther down the road anyways!"


The above statement my friends is the key to an enjoyable ticket free driving.

[jimbonzzz]

Might you mind trying a few quick trigger tests with your K-15 at a little longer range if you have some spare time one day? Maybe have your wife drive the car with the RX in at towards you and quick trigger the radar?

I just might have to do that :D


When you say that the RX65 didn't alert, did it never alert or was it an intermittant thing?

It was intermittant...
I actually did a video, but there was a lot wrong with it: it ended up being 7 minutes long, the lighting was bad, and the RX-65 was too quiet. But, if you want to see a short clip, I uploaded it here:
http://www.kc8unj.com/v1vs65.mpg

I planned to re-do it, but after hearing about "overloading at close range" thing with the Belscorts, I figured the setup wasn't good for testing anyway...

Jim

[compu44]

Thanks a mil, downloading the video as I type. At a zippy 115KB/s too :)