Pulse? Pop? Very confused

[PPPOE]

Hey All! Excuse this very novice question. The police around my area have always used Ka band, always on. However, at nights I've noticed a lot of legitiment PULSE alerts. My Pro-73 will say Pulse for a few seconds, and then it will go to the K or Ka Band radar strength screen.

My question is, what is Pulse? Is it the same as Pop? I also heard there is no way of knowing if you got hit with Instant-On \ Pop on the 73. If anyone can shed any light on my situation I would really apprecaite it. Thanks!!

[xrs9430]

do you mean your detector will go off on pulse and then a few seconds on a band and then go quiet? if thats the case i think it would be instant on or a quick false alarm. as far as not knowing about instant on, man i've got to tell ya when i get a instant on hit my detector goes full alert. i dont know how you wouldnt know, does your pro-73 have an led meter or just a flashing band with a number like 1 2 3 4 5 .... and so on. hope this helps :wink:

[cooljay]

From my Whistler manual:


Pulse Protection®
Pulse (or instant-on) radar is more difficult to detect than conventional radar because it remains “off” until activated to measure the speed of a targeted vehicle. When a pulse type transmission is detected, your Whistler detector
sounds an urgent 3-second audio warning and flashes the Alert strength indicators at their fastest rate. (The SRT 35R model displays “P”.) After the 3-second pulse alert, the standard alert pattern continues for as long as the signal is present.

It is important to respond promptly to a pulse
alert, since warning time may be minimal.

[jdreynss]

From my Whistler manual:


Pulse Protection®
Pulse (or instant-on) radar is more difficult to detect than conventional radar because it remains “off” until activated to measure the speed of a targeted vehicle. When a pulse type transmission is detected, your Whistler detector
sounds an urgent 3-second audio warning and flashes the Alert strength indicators at their fastest rate. (The SRT 35R model displays “P”.) After the 3-second pulse alert, the standard alert pattern continues for as long as the signal is present.

It is important to respond promptly to a pulse
alert, since warning time may be minimal.Yes, on whistler detectors, "pulse" means instant on

[xrs9430]

From my Whistler manual:


Pulse Protection®
Pulse (or instant-on) radar is more difficult to detect than conventional radar because it remains “off” until activated to measure the speed of a targeted vehicle. When a pulse type transmission is detected, your Whistler detector
sounds an urgent 3-second audio warning and flashes the Alert strength indicators at their fastest rate. (The SRT 35R model displays “P”.) After the 3-second pulse alert, the standard alert pattern continues for as long as the signal is present.

It is important to respond promptly to a pulse
alert, since warning time may be minimal.Yes, on whistler detectors, "pulse" means instant on

well, that was my geuss but i have only owned a whisler for a single day and that was the srt-30

[PPPOE]

Yeah, thats how mine was. I got hit from an unmarked police car late at night, Instant-On K band. My RD said "PULSE" then it played the K-Band alarm, full strength, for a few seconds, Then it went back to real signal strength.

This makes me feel better because that is exactly what the manual says it is susposed to do when it gets senses Instant-On radar. Thanks for the replies all.

PS - Does anyone know what Pop is? I have mined turned off and I noticed a little more signal strength, and the same amount of false alerts (No more, no less)

[Orbital75]

POP

MPH Industries first introduced POP radar technology (also known as the Super Bee) in its radar guns in 1999 as a way to defeat radar detectors. Today MPH's radar guns while operating in POP mode, can defeat over 85% of the radar detectors in use today.

POP mode works by sending out a quick burst of pulse radar at approximately 67 milliseconds. MPH Industries admits that while in this mode, that the displayed speed of a vehicle may not be accurate. They recommend that the officer only use this mode to obtain an estimate of speed from the target vehicle. And then switch to normal mode to obtain the exact speed.

Many of the latest detectors can detect 67ms Ka-Band POP pretty well. However, only one detector has been shown to detect the 16ms K-Band variety at all, and it only does so a small percentage of the time. 67ms K-Band POP has yet to be tested.

Remember this: An officer can not give you a ticket by hitting you with POP. He will have to flip to a normal band and hit you with it to obtain an accurate speed to issue a ticket but that's not to say he will play by the rules.

[GET 1T DONE]

PS - Does anyone know what Pop is? I have mined turned off and I noticed a little more signal strength, and the same amount of false alerts (No more, no less)
Instant-On is when the radar gun is set in a "standby" mode (not transmitting anything, and therefore undetectable by RDs) until the LEO wants to target a driver, so then triggers instant-on to obtain the speed (unit transmits for about 3 seconds to acquire the speed, then shuts off again). Instant-On prevents you from knowing he's there... unless he instant-on's someone in front of you (down the road) and your RD picks up the signal thereby alerting you that a threat may be coming up.

POP is a special ultra-fast version of Instant-On (implemented by the MPH company) where the radar gun only comes out of "standby" for 67ms (or 0.067 secs) in order to obtain your speed very quickly w/o notifying RD's of the LEO's presence (you won't have a chance to pick up his signal shot at a car ahead and therefore know a threat lies ahead like w/instant-on) unless your RD has POP mode protection.

However, POP is not a legal way of obtaining someone's speed w/which to write a ticket. POP is intended to be a sort of "initial screening" mode that gives you an idea whether a car is speeding. If it reports that the vehicle is in fact speeding, the LEO can then trigger instant-on or constant-on radar to get a court-admissable reading and make a traffic stop. So legally, POP radar, although a threat, is not really a threat itself since it is not to be used as grounds for writing a speeding ticket. However, if your RD is not able to detect POP mode transmissions, you lose out on that ability of being alerted ahead of time from the LEO targeting cars in front of you.

Whistler RD's do not display "POP" when a POP signal is detected unlike the "PULSE" notice for instant-on. It'll just display the typical "K-band" notification... so you'll never really know if you experience POP or not. Turning POP off however will give you slightly more range and possibly slightly less false alerts. I have an email response from Whistler that I'll post up later for you regarding POP. Or search, cause I posted it before in another thread.

[Synbios]

Is there a way to shut off POP on the PRO-58? I've been reading through the manual and haven't been able to find anything.

They display Pulse for Instant-On.
For POP, they just display the band that the POP is running on.

It's kind of a strange system, most other detectors do it the opposite. For instant-on my X50 displays the band it's running on, and for POP is displays POP of course.

[Michael B]

To turn POP Off you must first turn the unit on.
Once the unit has gone thru the start up operation, press the volume up and down buttons at the same time and hold for 2 seconds.

You will hear 1 or 2 beeps (1 beep POP on, 2 beeps POP off) then release the buttons

Now POP is off.

You can confirm by shutting off the unit and turning it back on. The P at the end of the display routine is no longer there.

To turn POP on, simply repeat the steps above and the P will now be displayed indicating POP is on.

[Synbios]

Thanks!