8500 x50 / Rear Antenna

[Catalyst]

Apologize for my n00bness, but, does the Passport 8500 x50 have a rear facing antenna, like the V1 does? From looking at it in photos it appears to, but I wanted to ask some experts first. Thanks!

[stalker]

no rear antenna for radar, only a rear laser receiver.

[V1 Dave]

No, just a rear laser sensor.
Although on my test drive with an X50 I was somewhat impressed at how good it picked up radar from behind using reflections from metal objects like other cars & trucks.

http://www.radardetector.net/x50-question-2827t.php

[sethy]

I will say this, on the way to tombstone arizona bob had the v1 and x50 out on the windshield, and the x50 cought a K band 2 seconds before the v1 did from the REAR.

The valentine ended up holding onto it for almost 30 seconds longer, but it was very impressive that the other detector picked it u pfirst.

[stalker]

ohhhh that should ruffle the V1 guys feathers...haha

[BiGeAsYgUy]

This is an email that a person on another forum received from Escort regarding the rear radar detection on the X50:


"It is good to hear from you! All independent tests have concluded that
rear detection is a very small concern. Microwaves behave a lot like
radio waves - they bounce everywhere; (you can turn your radio upside
down or backwards and it will still receive the radio station). Just as
humans can hear fine with one ear, so can radar detectors. We need two ears to pinpoint the direction the sound is coming from. If you feel it is necessary to know which direction the radar signal appears to be
coming from, you might enjoy the V-1.

Please give us a call and we will be glad to go over the details with
you and answer any questions you might have.
Thanks for your interest in Escort!

Radar Laser Experts
5440 West Chester Road
West Chester Ohio 45069

Customer Service Department
1-800-543-1608
8 AM - 6 PM M-F EST

[(in)Sanity]

I've had excellent luck with rear detection on my X50. If you need more then a half mile warning to start to slow down then you have more problems then your speed. I've had good half mile to three quarter mile warnings from the rear from vehicles that were parked. In other words I passed a parked vehicle (writing a ticket) on various occasions and have had a very long warning after. So I have to use logic and say that if they were cruising up behind me I would get at least as good of range. I've also had that happen as well and even being right in front of an 18 wheeler still had excellent warning.

The bottom line, the X50 works really well from the rear.

[icantdrive55]

Going down the local two lane highway on this busy 4th of July weekend, I am travelling with my V1 on "L".

*BAM* Ka Alert. 4 LEDS. REAR ARROW.

Silence for 5 seconds.

*BAM* Ka Alert. 3 LEDS. REAR ARROW.

Silence for 10 seconds.

*BAM* Ka Alert. 5 LEDS. REAR ARROW.

((Instant on radar obviously being used))

So, knowing this coming behind me, I know I was safe from radar as I knew he was driving behind me. I pull over to see how far he was away.

I estimated a solid distance of at least 1 mile he was behind me once he passed me.

This was basically down a straight two lane highway with quite a bit of traffic.

((Wish I had a video camera like others on this board!!))

Okay, no big deal with "arrows", eh? These arrows are for informational purposes such as this. Just where is the radar threat coming from..and are you at risk?

Regular radar detectors would have just sounded *BAM*...and I am sure every non-V1 user would believe the threat was in front...thus slow down (unnecessarily).

I love those arrows!

[sethy]

Regular radar detectors would have just sounded *BAM*...and I am sure every non-V1 user would believe the threat was in front...thus slow down (unnecessarily).

Well, true to a point. An experianced x50 user would first slow down (the important part) then assume it is in front. If you go over a hill and it dies down, pass a huge object and the strength jumps up, alert just drags out for a long time, then you know hes behind you,.

I believe v1 capitalizes on situation awareness. There is an alert, you know exactaly where he is.

But for those who got a radar detector just not to get a ticket, arrows are not truely needed.

[stalkervision]

you guys want to know of a cheap rear alert system for any detector? Just make a simple radar deflector that you can move partially in front of your radar detectors antenna as you please and that deflects rear radar signals to the antenna. Just swing it down when you get a long alert and if your led's go way way up on your detector it's a rear radar source.... :wink: 8)

[icantdrive55]

or fork out the 400 smacks for a top quality unit with the arrows....

:lol:

[icantdrive55]

Sethy said:

"An experianced x50 user would first slow down (the important part) then assume it is in front."

and

"I believe v1 capitalizes on situation awareness. There is an alert, you know exactaly where he is. "
Excellent points. (But I hate assuming where a cop is with radar running!)

You just made an excellent quote for MV to use on his website! :D

[stalkervision]

or fork out the 400 smacks for a top quality unit with the arrows....

:lol:


only weenie nurd radar detector users need arrows.... :P


arrows," I don't need no stinkin arrows! " 8) :lol:

[icantdrive55]

durn, then me mist bee a huge nurd den. git er done! luv dem arrows!

[stalkervision]

durn, then me mist bee a huge nurd den. git er done! luv dem arrows!

:lol:

[(in)Sanity]

Let's see here.

I'm driving forward with the X50 on dash and I get

1 bar...then 2 bars...then 3 bars....etc....and finally a full signal followed by a lower and lower signal until it's gone.

So what happen in the above example?

Ok, so I'm driving around and I get one bar. I drive a little more and I still get one bar. I slow down just because and it starts to go up to 2 bars...then 3 bars....

What happen in this example?

I'm headed down the highway doing a buck twenty and I get an instant 4 bars that starts to fade off pretty quick.

What happen in this example?

Again I'm doing the same buck twenty and get the same 4 bars however this time they don't fall off and also don't increase very quickly.

What happen here?

Now I'm doing a buck thirty and get hit with 4 bars then 5 then 6...until full. The scale then starts to fall off until silent.

What happen on this one?



For those with experience you will be able to figure each of these out. For those who rely on arrows to do things that your brain can figure out really fast....whatever...I'll stick to common sense.

[sethy]

Excellent points. (But I hate assuming where a cop is with radar running!)

Thats the point I was trying to make. Some want to know where it is coming from right away for a piece of mind. Others dont care where it is coming from, as long as they aren't getting a ticket.

[(in)Sanity]

Thats the point I was trying to make. Some want to know where it is coming from right away for a piece of mind. Others dont care where it is coming from, as long as they aren't getting a ticket.

So what, if it was behind and they knew it would they speed up? To me it's not hard to figure out where it's coming from I just don't see the point in the direction unless your doing something really stupid ..like running.

Detector goes off, slow down a bit. It's that simple. Knowing if it's front rear, side, top, or bottom should not make a difference.

I equate it to people who have to use a GUI to run a server like this one. I don't need no stickin GUI :)

[sethy]

I agree with what you said, Common sense are all the arrows you need.

[stalkervision]

" I don't need no stickin GUI"......... :lol: 8)



I think we should all form a club.. "I don't need no stinkin arrows!"


In fact here it is..... 8)


Nurd boys and geeks need not apply!!! :wink:

[sethy]

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ your sig

[stalkervision]

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ your sig


:wink: 8)

[JettaGLI]

I equate it to people who have to use a GUI to run a server like this one. I don't need no stickin GUI :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

edit.... didn't see the 4 posts above this were all emoticons.... what are we coming to here?!?!

:wink:

[ssgohan434]

Let's see here.

I'm driving forward with the X50 on dash and I get

1 bar...then 2 bars...then 3 bars....etc....and finally a full signal followed by a lower and lower signal until it's gone.

So what happen in the above example?

Ok, so I'm driving around and I get one bar. I drive a little more and I still get one bar. I slow down just because and it starts to go up to 2 bars...then 3 bars....

What happen in this example?

I'm headed down the highway doing a buck twenty and I get an instant 4 bars that starts to fade off pretty quick.

What happen in this example?

Again I'm doing the same buck twenty and get the same 4 bars however this time they don't fall off and also don't increase very quickly.

What happen here?

Now I'm doing a buck thirty and get hit with 4 bars then 5 then 6...until full. The scale then starts to fall off until silent.

What happen on this one?



For those with experience you will be able to figure each of these out. For those who rely on arrows to do things that your brain can figure out really fast....whatever...I'll stick to common sense.

could u also post the answers to those questions, plz? I got all except one or two of them, but would like to confirm my answers. Thanks. I just got the 8500 x50 and wouldnt mind a head start on the learning curve.

[(in)Sanity]

They are really pretty easy. But ok.



Let's see here.

I'm driving forward with the X50 on dash and I get

1 bar...then 2 bars...then 3 bars....etc....and finally a full signal followed by a lower and lower signal until it's gone.

So what happen in the above example?
This one is a stationary radar that has been left on. You just passed it.

Ok, so I'm driving around and I get one bar. I drive a little more and I still get one bar. I slow down just because and it starts to go up to 2 bars...then 3 bars....

What happen in this example?
You have a cop following behind a ways at about the same speed.

I'm headed down the highway doing a buck twenty and I get an instant 4 bars that starts to fade off pretty quick.

What happen in this example?
Well the guy dropped his dougnut long enough to tag you with his radar but didn't follow.

Again I'm doing the same buck twenty and get the same 4 bars however this time they don't fall off and also don't increase very quickly.

What happen here?
Well he dropped his doughnut and hit you with the radar and managed to get the car on the road to chase after you. He's left the radar on.

Now I'm doing a buck thirty and get hit with 4 bars then 5 then 6...until full. The scale then starts to fall off until silent.

What happen on this one?
Exactly like the other one, you made the guy drop his doughnut and he tagged you but didn't chase.



For those with experience you will be able to figure each of these out. For those who rely on arrows to do things that your brain can figure out really fast....whatever...I'll stick to common sense.

could u also post the answers to those questions, plz? I got all except one or two of them, but would like to confirm my answers. Thanks. I just got the 8500 x50 and wouldnt mind a head start on the learning curve.

[Radarboy12312]

No, just a rear laser sensor.
Although on my test drive with an X50 I was somewhat impressed at how good it picked up radar from behind using reflections from metal objects like other cars & trucks.

http://www.radardetector.net/x50-question-2827t.php

More proof that no one needs a rear ant and until I get a ticket from the rear using my x50 I,am not going to change my opinion about this.

[Radarboy12312]

Let's see here.

I'm driving forward with the X50 on dash and I get

1 bar...then 2 bars...then 3 bars....etc....and finally a full signal followed by a lower and lower signal until it's gone.

So what happen in the above example?

Ok, so I'm driving around and I get one bar. I drive a little more and I still get one bar. I slow down just because and it starts to go up to 2 bars...then 3 bars....

What happen in this example?

I'm headed down the highway doing a buck twenty and I get an instant 4 bars that starts to fade off pretty quick.

What happen in this example?

Again I'm doing the same buck twenty and get the same 4 bars however this time they don't fall off and also don't increase very quickly.

What happen here?

Now I'm doing a buck thirty and get hit with 4 bars then 5 then 6...until full. The scale then starts to fall off until silent.

What happen on this one?



For those with experience you will be able to figure each of these out. For those who rely on arrows to do things that your brain can figure out really fast....whatever...I'll stick to common sense.

Very good points and I agree. We need more like you.

[jsirovic]

Regarding the unix comment / the GUI Comment.

I'm a unix developer. I still like the arrows.

Personally, even if the V1 trailed slightly behind the X50 [ overall it's about the same ], I'd still get the arrows. For one, it helps when

a) There's some retard with a Rocky Mountain Radar burping radar and falsing you.

b) A cop is behind you.

c) There are actually 2 cops [ very common here ].

I admit the X50 doesn't suck, but I prefer the V1. I'm not a zealot. But if you say the arrows are useless, you're pretty useless mentally.

Disagree to the extent that V1 zealots boast about the arrows, but to say the arrows are useless makes you just as bad as the V1 zealots.

And zealots are dumb.

[Radarboy12312]

Regarding the unix comment / the GUI Comment.

I'm a unix developer. I still like the arrows.

Personally, even if the V1 trailed slightly behind the X50 [ overall it's about the same ], I'd still get the arrows. For one, it helps when

a) There's some retard with a Rocky Mountain Radar burping radar and falsing you.

b) A cop is behind you.

c) There are actually 2 cops [ very common here ].

I admit the X50 doesn't suck, but I prefer the V1. I'm not a zealot. But if you say the arrows are useless, you're pretty useless mentally.

Disagree to the extent that V1 zealots boast about the arrows, but to say the arrows are useless makes you just as bad as the V1 zealots.

And zealots are dumb.

Remember that the V1 is still a false happy detector and this is one of the reason,s why I sold all of the V1,s that I used and tested.

The arrows are not worth the money. I will admit that maybe some people find them to be useful and thats fine but keep in mind that the X50 and Rx65 are still in front of the V1.

[BiGeAsYgUy]

Radarboy12312 is a troll that can't spell or form a sentence that makes sense.

BAN HIM today before we all become less intelligent from reading his posts!!

[stalkervision]

Radarboy12312 is a troll that can't spell or form a sentence that makes sense.

BAN HIM today before we all become less intelligent from reading his posts!!


looks like it's too late for you anyway BUG so I would't worry about it.... :lol:

[CincinnatiKid]

My new RD will not have a rear sensor, or any arrows. This is because I am relocating and I can not afford to spend the extra cash. However, I would love to be able to buy the V1. I believe that the arrows can only be helpful. Yes, the X50 will give you time to slow down. As in life, the more information you have the better. However, I understand the sensitivity issue of the V1 in the city. I hope everybody knows that some forum members are bias in one way or another. Some people want to stick out and cause conflicts, others want to brown nose their way up the ladder. Sorry, I just like honesty.
I do have a question though. Do the arrows go back and forth at times? I understand that the rear receiver will pick up the majority of the signals. However, if the beam bounces off a large signs or a semi, do the arrows fluctuate?

[stalkervision]

My new RD will not have a rear sensor, or any arrows. This is because I am relocating and I can not afford to spend the extra cash. However, I would love to be able to buy the V1. I believe that the arrows can only be helpful. Yes, the X50 will give you time to slow down. As in life, the more information you have the better. However, I understand the sensitivity issue of the V1 in the city. I hope everybody knows that some forum members are bias in one way or another. Some people want to stick out and cause conflicts, others want to brown nose their way up the ladder. Sorry, I just like honesty.
I do have a question though. Do the arrows go back and forth at times? I understand that the rear receiver will pick up the majority of the signals. However, if the beam bounces off a large signs or a semi, do the arrows fluctuate?


The arrows work pretty well out of the city or in a sparse microwave emmiter enviroment but in the city they bounce around more then a ping pong ball....


Now I believe you will hear some "discouraging words" about my opinion....

:lol:

[CincinnatiKid]

Thank you. Again, I like honesty. For what ever reason, the picture at the bottom of your messages annoys me. I know this will make u enjoy it even more. At least it is off my chest, and I can laugh when I see it now. It reminds me off the Three Amigos. Look for the talking bush and the invisible cowboy.

[stalkervision]

Thank you. Again, I like honesty. For what ever reason, the picture at the bottom of your messages annoys me. I know this will make u enjoy it even more. At least it is off my chest, and I can laugh when I see it now. It reminds me off the Three Amigos. Look for the talking bush and the invisible cowboy.


that's what the pic is for...... :wink: :lol:

[Radarboy12312]

For the record I,am not a troll. I,am giving out my opinion and I have just as much right to be here as anyone eles.

This board is about people giving out there opinions so why should anyone even think about me being banned?.

[Radarboy12312]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.True the V1 did not alert to Ka POP but it alerted 100% of the time in Laser a form a speed measurement that is legal to issue tickets in...POP citations can not be issued

[stalkervision]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.True the V1 did not alert to Ka POP but it alerted 100% of the time in Laser a form a speed measurement that is legal to issue tickets in...POP citations can not be issued


Nice "spin" on the issue Volvo .......... :lol:

[Radarboy12312]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.True the V1 did not alert to Ka POP but it alerted 100% of the time in Laser a form a speed measurement that is legal to issue tickets in...POP citations can not be issued

Remember if you get hit by laser and if you are speeding then it really does not matter what detector anyone is using [this includes the V1] it almost always means you just got a speeding ticket.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.True the V1 did not alert to Ka POP but it alerted 100% of the time in Laser a form a speed measurement that is legal to issue tickets in...POP citations can not be issued

Remember if you get hit by laser and if you are speeding then it really does not matter what detector anyone is using [this includes the V1] it almost always means you just got a speeding ticket.If you are using VEIL and Lasersheild it would matter

[jimbonzzz]

If you watch some of the runs in Outrun's videos:
http://www.jasonsvideoproductions.com/stuff%20for%20the%20web/theguysoflidar.htm

You'll see that in many cases, with just passive countermeasures (VEIL and/or Laser Shield), a driver would have a number of seconds to slow down after being targeted, before a speed reading is obtained on the gun. But in order to slow down, of course he has to know he's being targeted.

Jim

[Radarboy12312]

Mr big easy man just for the record SML reported that the V1 DID NOT see Ka pop mode [AT ALL] in the June 2005 test. What are you going to do next? are you going to start quoting old tests again?.True the V1 did not alert to Ka POP but it alerted 100% of the time in Laser a form a speed measurement that is legal to issue tickets in...POP citations can not be issued

Remember if you get hit by laser and if you are speeding then it really does not matter what detector anyone is using [this includes the V1] it almost always means you just got a speeding ticket.If you are using VEIL and Lasersheild it would matter

True but i,am not. Maybe some day when I get a really fast car.

[robert]

True but i,am not. Maybe some day when I get a really fast car.

:?

If you don't have a "really fast car" why do you have a RD? You can still get a laser ticket w/o a "really fast car" just like you can with radar.

[Radarboy12312]

True but i,am not. Maybe some day when I get a really fast car.

:?

If you don't have a "really fast car" why do you have a RD? You can still get a laser ticket w/o a "really fast car" just like you can with radar.

My car is fast but its not a racer.

[sethy]

If you mount the x50 low, it will alert you to laser when you are being hit.

I have mine mounted high and I dont seem to have a problem with detecting laser...

[aust3333]

I dont see what the big deal is with having arrows or just beeping. Having arrows does let you know where the threat is coming from, but I could give a rats a$$ as to where it is coming from as long as I am alerted. You get a warning; you slow down. It's that simple. Sethy you said it best.