BAD Experience with 9500CI and Truelock

[happya$$]

I had a BAD experience with the 9500CI and truelock today. There is a road where there are a lot of X band and K band falses and my 9500CI has autolocked this area. Well today I was behind a LEO heading east bound and he was zapping people with Instant On K band. My Whistler 695 was picking up every hit while my 9500CI was silent with its satellite spinning. Now everyone knows by now of how highly I think of the M3 platform and the 9500CI BUT this experience with Truelock has left a bad taste in my mouth. IF I was heading west bound I would have been nailed because this is a road I typically travel at about 45-50mph (35mph is the limit).

[TSi+WRX]

TrueLock has its technical limitations - the "chunking" that's required simply means that the unit is incapable of properly "resolving" such details.

In that area, if you speed at speeds (sorry for the bad phrasing) that's going to get you in-trouble, I would disable any lockouts in that particular area, for you then fall into CJR's "high risk" scenario category.

[upstatedoc]

^^ Is it possible that his Whistler was interfering in some way? :confused:

Also, in that particular instance, you wouldn't have been nailed because you had backup.

[focalcivic]

^^ Is it possible that his Whistler was interfering in some way? :confused:

Also, in that particular instance, you wouldn't have been nailed because you had backup.

Most people will not have backup.

[focalcivic]

I had a BAD experience with the 9500CI and truelock today. There is a road where there are a lot of X band and K band falses and my 9500CI has autolocked this area. Well today I was behind a LEO heading east bound and he was zapping people with Instant On K band. My Whistler 695 was picking up every hit while my 9500CI was silent with its satellite spinning. Now everyone knows by now of how highly I think of the M3 platform and the 9500CI BUT this experience with Truelock has left a bad taste in my mouth. IF I was heading west bound I would have been nailed because this is a road I typically travel at about 45-50mph (35mph is the limit).

Are you sure the Whistler wasn't picking up the falses you were locking out?


Another thing maybe the professor can chime in on.........is there moving instant on K?

[happya$$]

I am pretty sure that the Whistler did not interfere with the 9500CI. Whatever happened happened I just report it

[jimbonzzz]

Another thing maybe the professor can chime in on.........is there moving instant on K?

Yeah, there's moving instant-on everything ;)

[TSi+WRX]

^^ Is it possible that his Whistler was interfering in some way? :confused:

Maybe, but I don't think it's very likely.....the firewall and engine places the 9500ci's antenna very far away from his in-vehicle - that's why you've got guys running the V1/SR or 9500ci setup to such great success.

:)

[MEM-TEK]

The LEOs in my town and county almost exclusively use moving K band radar -- both C/O and I/O.

[TSi+WRX]

^ I get a lot of roving C/O and I/O K, as well as roving I/O Ka, around here.

[djrams80]

I think that coming the other way, your detection distance would probably have been much further, since the radar source would no longer be forward facing. How likely is it that the 695 was just picking up false alerts and the LEO was not running any radar at all? Any? This is why I am so lucky that almost all of my radar encounters are Ka band.

[swarga]

Yeah, there's moving instant-on everything ;)

Show me a moving instant-on LIDAR gun then. :D

[swarga]

I had a BAD experience with the 9500CI and truelock today. There is a road where there are a lot of X band and K band falses and my 9500CI has autolocked this area. Well today I was behind a LEO heading east bound and he was zapping people with Instant On K band. My Whistler 695 was picking up every hit while my 9500CI was silent with its satellite spinning. Now everyone knows by now of how highly I think of the M3 platform and the 9500CI BUT this experience with Truelock has left a bad taste in my mouth. IF I was heading west bound I would have been nailed because this is a road I typically travel at about 45-50mph (35mph is the limit).

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:D

[focalcivic]

Happy is starting to sound like the Radarkid LOL

[MEM-TEK]

Seriously though, I am kind of keen on the idea of letting a 9500ci or 9500ix learn all of the false alert locations to lock out along your normal driving routes. Yet once that is done, I am then keen on turning off the automatic lockout feature. Just a thought. :)

[focalcivic]

Seriously though, I am kind of keen on the idea of letting a 9500ci or 9500ix learn all of the false alert locations to lock out along your normal driving routes. Yet once that is done, I am then keen on turning off the automatic lockout feature. Just a thought. :)

Is the autolock a seperate feature or a faeture of the Automode. Say for instance you shut it off would it respond to the locations it shut down?

[djrams80]

Is the autolock a seperate feature or a faeture of the Automode. Say for instance you shut it off would it respond to the locations it shut down?Yes, two totally different and independently controllable features.

[KnightHawk]

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/escort/38733-need-lockout-9500ix-ci.html#post450902

[CJR238]

TrueLock has its technical limitations - the "chunking" that's required simply means that the unit is incapable of properly "resolving" such details.

In that area, if you speed at speeds (sorry for the bad phrasing) that's going to get you in-trouble, I would disable any lockouts in that particular area, for you then fall into CJR's "high risk" scenario category.

X2, the CI, I, ix all use almost exactly the same parameters in locking out falses. There is no reason for us to believe any of them work different, even in AutoLock.
TrueLock does the best it can with what i think is a very difficult equation. It does it very well but nothings perfect, and it requires the user to make it perfect to there own needs like MEM-TEK’s suggestion below.


Seriously though, I am kind of keen on the idea of letting a 9500ci or 9500ix learn all of the false alert locations to lock out along your normal driving routes. Yet once that is done, I am then keen on turning off the automatic lockout feature. Just a thought. :)

I think people miss this point exactly, even if your in a "high risk" area, and lock out everything, you always have the option to turn off GPS filter when your speeding. I rarely speed where falses are but if I am, I would definitely turn off the GPS filter. Its there for a reason.

[MEM-TEK]

I've been thinking some more about Happya$$'s experience. It seems that the simple solution would be for Truelock to automatically unlock a location and alert if an instant-on X or K band signal is detected. The same logic could be used if a user inadvertently locks out a location yet the RD detects an instant-on X or K band signal. In this case the RD could display "IO Detect" and then ask "Lock Out?" again to confirm if the user really wishes to lock out that area. All of Bel's and Escort's RDs detect instant-on radar regardless of whether or not they are programmed to display a special type of flashing I/O alert or not.

[CJR238]

I've been thinking some more about Happya$$'s experience. It seems that the simple solution would be for Truelock to automatically unlock a location and alert if an instant-on X or K band signal is detected. The same logic could be used if a user inadvertently locks out a location yet the RD detects an instant-on X or K band signal. In this case the RD could display "IO Detect" and then ask "Lock Out?" again to confirm if the user really wishes to lock out that area. All of Bel's and Escort's RDs detect instant-on radar regardless of whether or not they are programmed to display a special type of flashing I/O alert or not.

On the note of improvement i have a simple solution. Every day i pass the same falses and they always start at almost exactly the same spot +- 5ft.
So if the lock out radius actually recorded how long the false was and lock out that area with an additional 10ft, plus add that if there is an alert outside that exact radius, the lockout will temporarily be unlocked for the duration. That would solve any problems.