View Full Version : Escort 9500CI True Lock K Band Miss 3rd Time
happya$$
03-08-2009, 04:14 PM
Well today my 9500CI missed an IO K band hit due to the area being locked out from a previous time. Luckily my V1 alerted me to the IO hit. To those that say Auto Lock works well then all I have to say is that you do not live in an area that uses K and X band heavily!
crazyVOLVOrob
03-08-2009, 04:23 PM
Yeah but you didn't get a ticket...so i don't see the problem:rolleyes:
happya$$
03-08-2009, 04:28 PM
Yeah but you didn't get a ticket...so i don't see the problem:rolleyes:
I did not get a ticket because my V1 alerting me to it! That road USED to be 25mph PSL but changed to 35,ph about 3 years ago. I average about 45mph on this road and I was doing that speed today
Truelock is the most idiotic feature I've seen on a radar detector.
You buy a radar detector to DETECTOR radar but you have another feature to block it? Really stupid.
REBinc
03-08-2009, 04:43 PM
If it has failed twice before, why do you still have it on? Doesn't seem like the best decision.
I've left it off since day one, I'll always believe I'm smarter than anything Escort will make.
happya$$
03-08-2009, 04:57 PM
If it has failed twice before, why do you still have it on? Doesn't seem like the best decision.
I've left it off since day one, I'll always believe I'm smarter than anything Escort will make.
Because I run my V1 too so this gives me a chance to see how broke True Lock is without the risk of a ticket
bockr
03-08-2009, 10:35 PM
I like truelock even though i think its broken since my city only uses Ka and when i travel nothing is locked out but i definably wouldn't use it if my city had K or x band, I like that it keeps my rd silent and i don't like turning K band on and off when i go to another city. That was a nice i/o trap since most people wouldn't realize it was a cop. How did you know it wasn't just a door opener on the v1? Shouldn't the v1 have been alerting to door openers?
djrams80
03-08-2009, 11:01 PM
Truelock is the most idiotic feature I've seen on a radar detector.
You buy a radar detector to DETECTOR radar but you have another feature to block it? Really stupid.I disagree with your opinion. I use it all the time and love it. I get that it's not for you and that's cool, but it is for some.
djrams80
03-08-2009, 11:02 PM
I like truelock even though i think its broken since my city only uses Ka and when i travel nothing is locked out but i definably wouldn't use it if my city had K or x band, I like that it keeps my rd silent and i don't like turning K band on and off when i go to another city. That was a nice i/o trap since most people wouldn't realize it was a cop. How did you know it wasn't just a door opener on the v1? Shouldn't the v1 have been alerting to door openers?bockr brings up an interesting question. Was your V1 alerting to the locked out false alert?
Obsidian
03-09-2009, 02:07 AM
bockr brings up an interesting question. Was your V1 alerting to the locked out false alert?
+1.
happya$$
03-09-2009, 05:12 AM
+1.
Honestly I do not recall. I BELIEVE my V1 had already alerted to the false then went silent. A few seconds later I got the Instant On blast then I made the visual once the cop made it over the hill. My 9500CI never made sound. Could it have been tht the 9500CI completely missed the IO hit? Maybe but I am pretty sure the sattelite icon was spinning. I am going to have to get one of those video mirror that DJ has
thestaton
03-09-2009, 06:48 AM
I don't see how this is surprising... IO is still K band, and if it still matches the right freq of what's locked out what can you do?
CJR238
03-09-2009, 08:59 AM
To those that say Auto Lock works well then all I have to say is that you do not live in an area that uses K and X band heavily!
I would agree with this, however how well it works does depend on the user too.
Truelock is the most idiotic feature I've seen on a radar detector.
You buy a radar detector to DETECTOR radar but you have another feature to block it? Really stupid.
I wouldn't say its the most idiotic feature. Maybe one of the most difficult to make work the way some people want it to.
I don't see how this is surprising... IO is still K band, and if it still matches the right freq of what's locked out what can you do?
X2. :)
This is the way it works, always has and always will. :o
I disagree with your opinion. I use it all the time and love it. I get that it's not for you and that's cool, but it is for some.
X2, I see nothing wrong with how TrueLock works, its a limitation of the technology, and the users willingness to make it work for them.
90% of peoples lock outs are in areas they cant or wouldn't speed, and in most cases where C/O is used you will get an alert before hand.
I know where my High Risk lock outs are and drive PSL, and if i want to blow through that area recklessly i turn the GPS filter off. That's what the GPS filter off button is there for. :)
thestaton
03-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Just to show that none of these things are perfect, this morning while going to school I had a constant on K band encounter. The 9500CI alerted as normal, but the V1 was silent the entire time. I even power cycled it after the officer passed, and it alerted normal to the automatic door openers.
I think the best situation is to just always have two detectors running.
MEM-TEK
03-09-2009, 12:19 PM
Just to show that none of these things are perfect, this morning while going to school I had a constant on K band encounter. The 9500CI alerted as normal, but the V1 was silent the entire time. I even power cycled it after the officer passed, and it alerted normal to the automatic door openers.
I think the best situation is to just always have two detectors running.
This is why I tend to preach that RD owners should power up their RD after they have started their car and their car is idling normally and not rough. Another alternative is to install a cheap but quality RC car stereo noise filter inline on a hardwire installation.
CJR238
03-09-2009, 12:21 PM
Just to show that none of these things are perfect, this morning while going to school I had a constant on K band encounter. The 9500CI alerted as normal, but the V1 was silent the entire time. I even power cycled it after the officer passed, and it alerted normal to the automatic door openers.
I think the best situation is to just always have two detectors running.
X2,
Maybe a few of the more technically advanced people here can make something where 2 can be run at the same time? (other than the STI & CI)
A shielded box? or a specific distance at which they will work?
MEM-TEK
03-09-2009, 12:31 PM
I have had Truelock, just once, ignore a K band radar gun while I was stopped at a light which was very close (approx 300 feet) from some locked out K band door openers at a hospital. DJ's V1 began picking up the additional K band signal as the cop approached the intersection whereas my 9500ci's GPS kept merrily spinning. I decided to turn right and followed the cop. Once I was approximately 800 feet from the door openers then my 9500ci started to alert at full strength.
I really need to find the time to finish my work on my completely new algorithms for Truelock, which of course I will license exclusively to Bel/Escort. Last I worked on it, I had the methodology set up so that my new algorithms would be able to handle up to 127 individual door openers more or less continuously spaced and located within 1/2 mile in any direction of any given lockout location, yet allow the RD to alert for any true X or K band radar gun in use anywhere within the vicinity of the lockout location. More than that, I won't say. The methodoloy is slick.
Jon_Doh
03-09-2009, 12:38 PM
I hope I can beat you and sell my new system to Mike V. I have programmed code for the V1 that causes it to wink whenever it passes by an auto door opener so you know it's definitely a false alarm :laugh:
MEM-TEK
03-09-2009, 12:44 PM
I take it that the V1 will have an additional light, located next to the arrows, which looks like a grocery bag?
Jon_Doh
03-09-2009, 01:46 PM
I take it that the V1 will have an additional light, located next to the arrows, which looks like a grocery bag?
:lol:
:beer:
happya$$
03-09-2009, 04:26 PM
I am still amazed that some have accepted an RD that locks out police radar. Where is the disclamer by Belscort? Is Autolock not on by default? NOWHERE in their manual does it have a disclamer about their GPS based RD's potentially locking a police officers operating radar. Instead I see fancy commecials on youtube and fancy pictures regarding True Lock and Auto Lock.
happya$$
03-09-2009, 04:27 PM
Just to show that none of these things are perfect, this morning while going to school I had a constant on K band encounter. The 9500CI alerted as normal, but the V1 was silent the entire time. I even power cycled it after the officer passed, and it alerted normal to the automatic door openers.
I think the best situation is to just always have two detectors running.
Tune up time? Maybe interference? Either way how can you ever trust that POS 3.813? Why do you not sell it to me?
djrams80
03-09-2009, 05:20 PM
I am still amazed that some have accepted an RD that locks out police radar. Where is the disclamer by Belscort? Is Autolock not on by default? NOWHERE in their manual does it have a disclamer about their GPS based RD's potentially locking a police officers operating radar. Instead I see fancy commecials on youtube and fancy pictures regarding True Lock and Auto Lock.I see it as a numbers game. I figure that the odds of TrueLock costing me a ticket are pretty slim. I think that I'm much more likely to get a ticket from I/O or pacing than TrueLock. In the meantime, I get peace and quiet and my girl and whatever other passengers I might have don't b**ch about all the noise. But then again, I live in an area that's almost exclusively Ka and laser, so my worries are much less than you Ohio natives with X, K, Ka and laser.
MEM-TEK
03-09-2009, 05:26 PM
^^ X2. If I ever were foolish enough to speed around town then I would always be checking my six as well as visually scanning ahead. And I certainly am not foolish enough to speed past a locked out door opener which is located really close to the road since I know that its signal radiates for a good quarter of a mile. And, like you, I absolutely love the quietness of my 9500ci when driving around town.
Jon_Doh
03-10-2009, 08:35 AM
Not to worry. I have it on good authority that the next upgrade, the 9500iz, will show a spinning radar gun to let you know it has locked out real police radar :dance3::haha:
CJR238
03-10-2009, 08:41 AM
x2 DJ & MEM-TEK.
Its all a numbers game with any detector.
Escort doesn't have a disclaimer because the set rules to prevent a lock out of a real LEO create such a small chance its not a big deal in the end. Plus as time goes on K band will be used less and less, especially in more wealthy areas where more 9500 series RD's will be used/purchased because they can afford it.
Its like allot of prescribed medications, there are always risks, its weather the advantages out weigh the disadvantages. For some it does and some it doesn't.
Its a tuff game being innovative and always trying to make the next best thing, plus keep everyone happy. Is it 100% ethical, probably not, but what is now a days.
I bet Escort thought long and hard about all the advantages of TrueLock and negatives.
Q- whose going to buy a $500-1500 RD?
A- People in wealthy areas, so the local LEO's will more than likely be able to afford the best (KA & 34.7)
Q- what if K/X is used where a lock out is?
A- Make 30Mhz blocks to help prevent a bad lock out. Also keep the lock out radius small dependent on signal strength.
Q- what if using TrueLock a LEO gets accidentally locked out?
A- Put an AutoLock mode that will unlock if the source isn't present anymore. LEO's don't always sit in the same spot every day.
Q- What if the LEO and false are exactly the same?
A- make the RD sensitive enough to get a alert before the lock out.
Q- what if the user wants to speed in a risky lock out or doesn't like TrueLock?
A- we will put dedicated a GPS off button.
happya$$
03-10-2009, 10:08 AM
It has happened to me 3 times in less than a year how is that a small chance? X band and K band are heavily used in my area. True lock would be incredible if all that was used was Ka. I disagree that K band will be phased out. There are MANY departments that can not afford Ka.
CJR238
03-10-2009, 11:21 AM
It has happened to me 3 times in less than a year how is that a small chance? X band and K band are heavily used in my area. True lock would be incredible if all that was used was Ka. I disagree that K band will be phased out. There are MANY departments that can not afford Ka.
Small chance is relitive to your driving. if you live in a K & X heavy area and have 200+ lock outs and drive 20K+ a year with only 3 instances that's pretty small to me. And you didn't get a ticket both times, correct?
I drive about 25k a year all over NY, NJ, CT & VA and in the passed 2 years i have had it happen once not on purpose.
That was some of my points, at some point KA guns will be much cheaper or passed down to other departments. If your local department cant afford KA than im willing to bet non of its residents own a 9500.
MEM-TEK
03-10-2009, 11:50 AM
I think that where Happya$$ lives, the area is saturated with K band door openers. This makes Truelock more problematic, increasing his odds of an unusually large lockout radius being set at various locations which either have door openers located really close to the road, or locations which have numerous door openers which are located rather close together. I always manually set lockouts for these two types of scenarios in order to be sure of setting small lockout radii and nipping this potential issue in the bud.