V1.8POP New "J" (Junk) Alert

[V1 Dave]

Addendum with the V1 manual:

Quote:
A New Warning
V1 has a new feature. When the signal-identification system determines that a current warning is not, in fact, a radar threat, it notifies you with a ”dee-dah-doo” sound and terminates the warning. At the same time, a the letter “J” will flash briefly in the Bogey Counter.

V1.8POP users: Have you experienced this new warning?
If so how often do you get it?
I was under the impression the warning is rare but after two weeks and about 2000 miles nothing.
I am bummed as I was looking forward to it once in a while.
I know for a fact that the new unit has falsed on other units.
Yesterday one was in a parked car, signal was so strong I thought it was a K band speed trap down the street.
My unit seems to have other issues my V1.7 does not. Multiple bogies up to four on some K band speed signs when I know for a fact that there is only one signal in the area.
Sending it back for a complete diagnostic check up.
I really want to keep it but if it proves nothing wrong I will stick with my V1.7 for now.
Asking the how often question to VR sales, will let you all know.

[happya$$]

I get the Junk alert ABOUT once every two weeks. Personally I could not be happier with my unit. I have bene MUCH happier ever since I kept it on "L" Advanced Logic. AWESOME detector!

[sethy]

Addendum with the V1 manual:

Quote:
A New Warning
V1 has a new feature. When the signal-identification system determines that a current warning is not, in fact, a radar threat, it notifies you with a ”dee-dah-doo” sound and terminates the warning. At the same time, a the letter “J” will flash briefly in the Bogey Counter.

V1.8POP users: Have you experienced this new warning?
If so how often do you get it?
I was under the impression the warning is rare but after two weeks and about 2000 miles nothing.
I am bummed as I was looking forward to it once in a while.
I know for a fact that the new unit has falsed on other units.
Yesterday one was in a parked car, signal was so strong I thought it was a K band speed trap down the street.
My unit seems to have other issues my V1.7 does not. Multiple bogies up to four on some K band speed signs when I know for a fact that there is only one signal in the area.
Sending it back for a complete diagnostic check up.
I really want to keep it but if it proves nothing wrong I will stick with my V1.7 for now.
Asking the how often question to VR sales, will let you all know.

I have gotten the junk alert once in the 2 months i've had mine. I've seen close to 2000 miles of road.

[Veil Guy]

When I was attempting to compare the performace of the RD850 [against the V1] the J-alert came on once to a Ka alert every time shortly after power-up.

I assume that the RD850 fell into this classification [by the V1] and if effectively eliminated it out with its filtering.

When I spoke to VR, they had indicated that the frequency of this happening will likely increase noticeably during the spring/summer season as people tend to drive more for holiday [with radar detectors with inferior shielding.]

This sounds very plausible - and while the newest V1 may tend to false more frequently to K - its advanced Ka filtering may become more pronounced during the summer months and become an even greater contributor to it's silence [in Ka falsing] relative to other detectors.

If this bears out to be true, the V1 would likely be our first choice for driving during the warmer seasons.

I look forward to confirming this behavior and will happily share my experiences.

The Veil Guy 8)

[sethy]

A detector for all seasons :)

[Veil Guy]

Exactly!

Hey, they make different tyres for winter and for summer.

Why not the same for radar detectors?

Perhaps VR, Bel, or Escort can make an operation mode for winter and summer?

I don't think they'll go for that, though! :D

The Veil Guy 8)

[Jon_Doh]

There is never a reason to not drive with the V1 in "L" mode.

[sethy]

sure there is, when your driving through a city that uses X band and you want a 5 mile warning ;)

[marlinspike]

Or when you're on the highway since there's no need for the L mode there anyways.
Richard

[happya$$]

L mode is the ONLY way to drive with the V1.

[sethy]

I drive with it on A a lot of the time...

[RacerX]

i've seen the j alert 3 times so far (it took a couple of weeks and several miles before seeing one). all of them during highway travel.
one time it was strange though, and hopefully coincidence.
as i approached a freeway overpass i picked up a ka alert. as i went up and over i caught a glimps of DPS sitting at the bottom down to my left. it looks like he was clocking vehicles coming around the corner from behind him and also watching for people to come down the on ramp ahead of him and cross the solid white line (which is illegal out here). as i came over and around the arrows went from front to back. as i watched in my rear view mirror, someone crossed the line and he caught up and pulled them over. during this time as i got further away, the signal weakened and then suddenly i got a "j"unk alert and it went silent. the bogey counter showed 1 alert the whole time. (since i was watching the road and my mirror, it could have flashed a 2, but i didn't see it if it did). hopefully i was just out of range and at the same time it picked up another detector. :?:

if you use L on the highway, won't you lose weak k band protection? possibly missing an instant on signal before your "next in line"
i use A on the highway, and switch to one of the logic modes in the city.

For those of you with the the V1 for a while, have you ever come across an occasion where the big L has caused you to miss a k alert before you were on top of it?

[sethy]

if you use L on the highway, won't you lose weak k band protection? possibly missing an instant on signal before your "next in line"
i use A on the highway, and switch to one of the logic modes in the city.
The Advanced Logic mode will not decrease K band sensetivity period. So the Big L will not miss your chances on instant on K band. However if you have a delay set on your V1- you can kiss all your instant on radars goodbye

[RacerX]

yea, that's what i meant.
with the mute delay enabled and any time set, all weak k band would be held, until that delay, so goodbye instant on protection. (less than 4 bars)
as soon as i'm more mobile again, i was going to try and find some k band radar in the city, and play with both the logic settings to see which one works better for me here.
obviously being in the city affects range, my question is, if i use "small l", then i get all alerts with no delay, it just reports them at the lower "muted volume", notwithstanding stronger hits which alert at "full" volume.
i will hear it more, but a quick glance at the counter may show "additional alerts" that aren't normally there.
i'll have to play with it and see. k false aren't a major issue here, and i'm not in the city constantly where it would be, i just want to find my best balance between falses and weaker alerts.

[Veil Guy]

Racerx,

For what its worth, after testing the new V1 v1.8 I had passed on my observations about K-falsing propensity and had requested if they could incorporate an additional filter like either the "l" or "L" to address K-sensitivity selectively whether combined with X decreases or not.

That may help "tame" this new unit so it is not as tiring to take on trips.

I can only hope they can come up with something. This way owners can decide whether or not to trim back K [and Ku] sensitivity.

The Veil (www.veil.us) Guy 8)

*Ku alerts with same audio tone as K and can be easily confused with one another especially when alerts are to brief weak radar sources.

[RacerX]

that would be nice. it seems if they could maybe "narrow the field of view", it wouldn't pick up as many things on the sides of the road.

[Veil Guy]

yep.

the veil guy 8)

[shooter2jim]

If I'm not completely off-track, the field of view has more to do with the actual design of the antenna(s), and really can't be diminished by software magic. If microwave antennas correspond to yagi antennas on the lower frequencies, the longer the boom on a yagi, the "narrower" the view, and consequently, the greater the gain of the antenna. If microwave horns are the same, the deeper the cavity- as I suspect the X50 uses- the more forward gain and less field of view. The V1 antennas appear to have a very short cavity and therefore a wider field of view. But, due to superb technology, the V1 holds it's own against its competitors. I haven't seen a Bel, so I can't make a comparison. It looks to be dimensionally shorter than the X50, too, but does extremely well, by comparison.

I have not had the K falsing problem that you've mentioned. It is as well, or better behaved than any previous version of V1 I've owned. Mine was purchased in mid-December '04. I'm working on a V1/X50 comparison, too, and I'll just say that the X50 was more prone to falsing Ka on other detector's L.O.'s and on 2 occasions, the X50 reported an approaching detector on K band with the strength of an actual operating radar unit, while the V1 remained absolutely silent. During the month I had the X50, the V1 didn't offer up any K falses that the x50 didn't report too, or were absolutely identifiable as K door openers operating within the alloted K band.

I'll post a link to my comparison as soon as it's ready, and as soon as I can get some web space to post some video. Some of the results are not just surprising, but shocking.

Jim - (shooter2jim@yahoo.com)

[Brent_Vino]

My V1 is set to "L" at all times... If I go on long road trips, I might use "l" so my x band detection can be seen, but not heard.

[OhioDriver]

I received a V1.8 delivered by UPS the first week in Nov 2004.
My V1.8 does give a PoP verification when I turn it on, but the manual says nothing about the J alert. Is this a new feature Valentine added recently?

[sethy]

Yes. There is nothing about POP in the manual other then the sheet of paper they give you about it. you can read more about it over at www.valentine1.com

[Veil Guy]

I posted about this a while ago on this forum:

Here's the thread:

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=150

Enjoy!

The Veil Guy 8)

[V1 Dave]

Got my first J (junk) alert this morning 2 1/2 weeks later. Picked up a Ka on the freeway for a few seconds then the new tone came on sounded like a video game.
J was flashing rapidly in the display. It was sweet.

OhioDriver,

Two versions came out last year think the second one was in November.
Check your serial number on upgrades also look for the J section when you reprogram unit it will come after H there is no I.
If you have the first version POP they are updating to the second one for free.