RX65 4.5 flaw

[compu44]

I just realized today that somewhere between the 3.2 revision and the 4.5 revision, the ability to mute POP alerts has disappeared. I was sitting in traffic today and just getting a constant string of POP falses. With the 3.2, I could reach up and mute it and it would just make a really quiet "tick" for each additional POP. No more. Not a problem really with fairly minimal number of POP falses in rev 4.5, I just found it really strange that would be changed.

Don't know if Bel is aware of this, but apparently they monitor these forums to a degree, so here is is. Bel- Please send me a rev 4.6 with POP muting back and a city K mode for good measure! :)

Guess Valentine isn't the only one that glitches up a firmware every now and then.
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[Eddieth3king]

ill look to see if i can get a pop false and try to mute it...maybe its just ur unit.. are you using the smart plug? or are you hard wired?

[ES13Raven]

Don't know if Bel is aware of this, but apparently they monitor these forums to a degree, so here is is. Bel- Please send me a rev 4.6 with POP muting back and a city K mode for good measure! :)
Here Here!!!

And fix the damn Auto-Mute...

The X50 AutoMute works correctly. On the RX65, if a weak signal disappears for a second and comes back - it goes back to full volume. It is really annoying if you are sitting at a light and the weak signal keeps dropping.

[Eddieth3king]

Don't know if Bel is aware of this, but apparently they monitor these forums to a degree, so here is is. Bel- Please send me a rev 4.6 with POP muting back and a city K mode for good measure! :)
Here Here!!!

And fix the *BEEP* Auto-Mute...

The X50 AutoMute works correctly. On the RX65, if a weak signal disappears for a second and comes back - it goes back to full volume. It is really annoying if you are sitting at a light and the weak signal keeps dropping.


on what band?

mine works fine for x and k

[aust3333]

Don't know if Bel is aware of this, but apparently they monitor these forums to a degree, so here is is. Bel- Please send me a rev 4.6 with POP muting back and a city K mode for good measure! :)
Here Here!!!

And fix the *BEEP* Auto-Mute...

The X50 AutoMute works correctly. On the RX65, if a weak signal disappears for a second and comes back - it goes back to full volume. It is really annoying if you are sitting at a light and the weak signal keeps dropping.


on what band?


mine works fine for x and k

Mine too.

[Eddieth3king]

hmmm,,, i am intrested to test mine out.

[ES13Raven]

on what band?
K so far...

The Auto-Mute works.... but only if the signal drops for a second or 2 and then comes back does it go back to full volume. Then I have to wait for 4-5 seconds for the automute to kick back in.

[Eddieth3king]

i havent had that problem.. strange

[squonk]

Yep, mine does that too. If the signal drops for a couple of seconds after the auto-mute kicks in and then comes back again after a few seconds the detector sees it as a new alert and returns to full volume.

[ES13Raven]

Yep, mine does that too. If the signal drops for a couple of seconds after the auto-mute kicks in and then comes back again after a few seconds the detector sees it as a new alert and returns to full volume.
I thought that was normal (and not as good of an auto-mute as my Whistler Pro-58 ) until I got the X50. Its works good on the X50.

[Eddieth3king]

hmmm....do you have the new or the old rx 65?

[compu44]

hmmm....do you have the new or the old rx 65?

I'm running the old one, but upped to a 4.5 firmware.

[Eddieth3king]

hmmm....do you have the new or the old rx 65?

I'm running the old one, but upped to a 4.5 firmware.

that might be your problem..i have the new one... 4.5 as well and no problems of such accord.

[mjldba]

I get very few POP falses but when the thing goes off it makes everyone in the car jump & it will not respond to muting.

Also, I can be sitting at a light in front of a drug store with a weak K band signal already muted and, while it's muted, it'll jump right back into another audio report & need another press of the mute button.

This is not an aberation, it'll happen evertime I stop in front of this particular store & there's no traffic passing between me & the drug store to interrupt the signal .... perhaps the door opener energy is somehow reflecting off another stationary object the the RX-65 reads as a second source.

[Eddieth3king]

I get very few POP falses but when the thing goes off it makes everyone in the car jump & it will not respond to muting.

Also, I can be sitting at a light in front of a drug store with a weak K band signal already muted and, while it's muted, it'll jump right back into another audio report & need another press of the mute button.

This is not an aberation, it'll happen evertime I stop in front of this particular store & there's no traffic passing between me & the drug store to interrupt the signal .... perhaps the door opener energy is somehow reflecting off another stationary object the the RX-65 reads as a second source.

it proably is detecting a new stronger K band.

[mjldba]

Possibly, but I'm sitting stationary at a light and it happens every time.
K-band alert from the store .... mute .... in a few seconds I get another K-band alert .... another mute and this continues until I get a green light.

[ES13Raven]

Possibly, but I'm sitting stationary at a light and it happens every time.
K-band alert from the store .... mute .... in a few seconds I get another K-band alert .... another mute and this continues until I get a green light.
Same here :?

[Eddieth3king]

It might be because ur using the old RX 65 with the new firm ware....i am using the new RX65 with the new firm and it works nicely...i dont have that problem..

[amoney]

Possibly, but I'm sitting stationary at a light and it happens every time.
K-band alert from the store .... mute .... in a few seconds I get another K-band alert .... another mute and this continues until I get a green light.

I see this on the bell units, but what I feel that happens, is when a alert stops beeping, it visual hangs there displayed visually, but silent. It lasts for only 1 second. And if during that time or that time immediately coinciding with the alert stoping and realerting to what it thinks is a new alert. So you have this break in alert but it is so close/ontop of one another that the unser thinks the mute feature is buggy, when in fact you have to remute the alert.

So if you have a alert muted you just see it visually displayed, and when that alert ends (it stays visually displayed for that hang time of 1 sec) then stats a new alert before the display gets to zero out.

I have my Bel on automute, this automute after the initial audio alert changes it to a small tick sounds, and I see this all the time where I am listining to it alerting and then the tick sounds stop but the visual display is still showing (hanging for 1 sec), then a new registered alert begins the whole sequence over again, BEEP BEEP, then auto mute kicks in... tick tick tick. I have see the visual display flash at that split second back and forth for the new alert.

I think you have no problem, instead, next time, do not automute and see if you can watch it die out and hang and then start a new alert. Again because of the week signal. Now if this was on a strong constant signal the nyeah you may have an issue. Just my .02

[mjldba]

The RX-65 was purchased from Roy in Dec '05, rel is 4.5.

I follow your explanation & reasoning but I may not have made it clear that this problem occurs at this location only and, though it may occur at other locations I haven't found yet, it's quite annoying if I happen to catch a red light.

In other K encounters I tap the mute button & it behaves as expected staying muted for the duration of the encounter whether I'm stationary at a light or driving through the encounter.

I'll try your suggestion of letting it sqwack until it automutes & see if I can see the RD re-arm like it's detecting a new signal.

This thought just occurred to me: I never go in this store so I've never been close enough to see if there is one microwave door opener or if there are two. Many stores have two (like a std. Home Depot set-up) & I haven't had this problem occur even when I intentionally sit in the parking lot & force the issue.

Even though both are K-band at my problem site, what if they were broadcasting at different K-band frequencies and thereby appearing as two distinct & separate sources?

[mjldba]

I think I learned something today ..... but I'm not sure what !!!

I switched over to TECH display. activated X band, chose Autoscan and found this:

Walgren's Drug Store - 4 microwave (MV) door openers
- display varies between 24.150 & 24.129
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Rite Aid Drug Store - 3 MV door openers
- display varies between 24.129 & 24.169
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Eckert Drug Store - at least 4 MV door openers
(the problem) - displays varies between 24.129, 24.150, 24.169
- automute initially ineffective, will beep at least 17 to
20 times before the audio alert is suppressed
- manual mute is a waste of time
- and all this is caused by only 2 bars signal strength

Big Lots - 4 MV door openers
- display varies between 10.513, 10.525, 10.541, 10.546
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

VALU Home Center - 2 MV door openers
- only 10.516 displayed
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Aldi's Food Store - 3 MV door openers
- display varies between 10.525 & 10.538
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Home Depot - at least 6 MV door openers
- display varies between 24.129, 24.109, 24.169
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Wal-Mart - 4 MV door openers
- display varies between 24.169 & 24.189
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

Top's Supermarket - 2 MV door openers
- display varies between 24.169 & 24.189
- automute silences audio alert after 4 beeps
- manual mute silences the audio alert

In one instance (Tops's) I got an alert when facing the store. As I drove around the parking lot the RD returned to "Autoscan" but when I turned and faced the store again the K alert was visual only .... no audio alert which makes it look like it still recognized the source as the same source it had detected earlier.

In every instance but Home Depot & Eckert, the MV door openers were broadcasting in one direction .... out into the parking lot. Visually think of this as a store in the middle of a clock & the signal is aimed at 6 o'clock.

Home Depot & Eckert broadcast out into the parking lot and 90* to the left and 90* to the right ..... but Home Depot does not present the "audio alert will not manually or automute" problem that Eckert does. In these instances the signal is aimed at 3 o'clock, 6 o'clock, and 9 o'clock.

Looks like I can:
A) turn in my license & ride a bike .... not likely
B) give up my RD .... yeah, right
C) turn off the RD when driving by Eckert .... and risk a ticket???
D) avoid that Eckert .... inconvenient
E) win the Lottery, buy Eckert & close that store ..... if I could
F) nuke the store ....... ????

Anyone's thoughts???

[SmaartAasSaabr]

G) Drive to Eckerd, remove your license plates or install different numbered ones, wear a sweatshirt and ski mask, take a sledgehammer and whack the door sensors good. Drive off. Replace your standard plates and wear normal clothes again. Problem solved until they fix it :roll:

[RadarHell]

G) Drive to Eckerd, remove your license plates or install different numbered ones, wear a sweatshirt and ski mask, take a sledgehammer and whack the door sensors good. Drive off. Replace your standard plates and wear normal clothes again. Problem solved until they fix it :roll:

Option G is my pick....

As I would do this to all my local stores and X band road monitors on my interstates.

[mjldba]

Instead of choosing G) I could try & replace the microwave door openers with some high powered laser's & reduce a few customers to dust.

Wouldn't remedy the problem but it'd be worth a laugh.

There is so much stinking K-band in the city that it's annoying heyond words. If BelTronics allows you to reduce X-band audio alerts in the city they should also allow you (at your our risk, of course) to reduce the K band audio alerts as well.

keep all the sensitivity in the city & show me the LED's when there's an alert, but PLEASE let me take responsibility for doing something about the constant K band audio alerts.

[amoney]

Love the NUKE the store idea!

You mentioned the problem Eckerd store happens only on 2 bars, that is when the problem you discribe is most likely going to happen. At what level did the other stores frequencies alert to, if they were all generally stronger even as low as level three, I think you have your answer. In other words level 2 and lower, can't go much lower, #1, it is weak and can be intermittent. Where as 3 and stronger, at least 3 may be enough to hold the auto mute. At first I thought you had an answer regarding mutiple frequinces, perhaps you do, perhaps on of the frequencies comes and goes with out you knowing it and triggers the new alert. I though that untill I thought of my own mutiple frequencies that still hold automute, then as I read your other mutiple frequencies that had no problem either. But again there is obviously something about the Eckert that is giving you grief. In the end you at least know that your Bel does not have a problem, just that you have a problem with that Eckerd.

:D


G) Drive to Eckerd, remove your license plates or install different numbered ones, wear a sweatshirt and ski mask, take a sledgehammer and whack the door sensors good. Drive off. Replace your standard plates and wear normal clothes again. Problem solved until they fix it :roll:

[mjldba]

Yeah, I'm pretty confident that there's nothing wrong with the RX65, it's simply responding to the stimuli of K-band MW door openers as it's been programmed to do. I just wish I had the capability to limit the encounter to a visual response & eliminate the audio response.

I intend to sample another Eckerd or two when the opportunity allows, just to see if it's their MV door openers or the layout of the entrance. The entrance/vestibule has three outer doors that lead to one inner door, making a total of 4 MV sources that point in multiple directions (making multiple reflections).

I'd say almost all the stores I sampled provided 2 bars signal strength, perhaps 3 bars as I almost entered the store a couple times while observing the meter but, all in all, the strength was 2-bar consistent.

[amoney]

Yeah, I'm pretty confident that there's nothing wrong with the RX65, it's simply responding to the stimuli of K-band MW door openers as it's been programmed to do. I just wish I had the capability to limit the encounter to a visual response & eliminate the audio response.

I intend to sample another Eckerd or two when the opportunity allows, just to see if it's their MV door openers or the layout of the entrance. The entrance/vestibule has three outer doors that lead to one inner door, making a total of 4 MV sources that point in multiple directions (making multiple reflections).

I'd say almost all the stores I sampled provided 2 bars signal strength, perhaps 3 bars as I almost entered the store a couple times while observing the meter but, all in all, the strength was 2-bar consistent.

You only option is for that location to turn off the volume, but then you have to remember to turn it back on after leaving that Eckerd. At least I have that ability, don't know if the new rx65 does (they took away alot of features). I only need volume level 1, so it is easy to go to zero and back on again. I drive with the music lound and I can still hear the Bel alert, good enough for me.

Just dont speed through that one location, you never know when an officer may actually be there, or at least you won't hear the alert, you will at least see a stronger level visually in THREAT mode.