Bush Calls For Probe Of Rising Gas Prices

I NEVER said I thought he was competent.

You can't get anyone competent in this 2 party crock.
The best you get the less of two evils.

Right now I can only think of 3 this century that I think were competent.

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On Iraq:
evil wacko + like to kill people (his own included) + want's to kill others where ever + lots of money = needs to go

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On Iran:
you don't need enriched uranium to make power
One of their ministers said they had 20 (I think) years of oil left and that’s why they want nuke plants.

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I get 25 in mixed and 29-31hwy in the old SPG.

"68% of America agrees about his incompetence"
- I don't believe polls

"ballooning national debt"
- congress approves the budget, pres signs it, no line item veto
- the problem had more to do with ( i forget the term) but guaranteed increases in the budget that are near impossible to get rid of

"insurgents in Iraq"
- so the Iraqis really want to be free, but some other non-Iraqi dudes are causing the problem. I'm glad you get that part, most miss that completely

"tax cut instituted during a costly war"
- Gov't revenues are up - check it out

"the rest of the world"
- I really don't give a rats arse about the opinion of rest of the world
they have a different agenda.

"35,000 dead Iraqi civilians and 2,000+ dead American troops"
- how many Iraqis died in the last 15 years from Sadly Insane?
Something well over a million so 7,000 a year vs 60,000 a year (probably MUCH higher) I think that is progress unless you consider 1 American life worth more than 1 Iraqi.

" Bush's strategy in Iraq could have been better"
- absolutely could have been, hindsight is pretty cool
- they thought the oppressed would have risen up against Sadam, didn't
- they completely missed the boat on insurgents (which require different troops)
- they should have sealed the border like the Saudis want to (build a fence on the Iraq border)

"During the 1973-4 oil crisis oil went up to 50 dollars a barrel. But the price at the pump never touched $1.50 / gal - if you could get the gas itself. "
- the gov't fixed the price so it's not a valid comparison

It's great there has been no name calling on this board!!

The largest problem for Bush is that he refuses to listen.

-When the President is of the same party as the controlling party in Congress, he is responsible for the budget. He is currently the leader of the Republican party. Oh and the current strategy of not including much money for Iraq in the budget and then asking for additional money is simply dishonest.

-Bush thought up the tax cuts and pushed for them. He is responsible for unbalancing the budget. He refused to listen to economists that stated that his tax cut would lead to debt. Greenspan agreed with him (Greenspan was strangely political at that point), but the majority of the economists in this country stated his tax cuts would lead to increasing national debt. Bush refused to listen to the economists. What do they know about the economy?

-I don't care if revenues are up, costs are skyrocketting. Net result has been a loss.

-You are wrong at the reason for the ballooning deficit. It is increasing because of the war spending. Each American currently owes over $2,000 for the war in Iraq. We should have finished Afghanistan with proper troop levels for an occupation, gotten our boys home, and then had the Iraq discussion (unless concrete evidence surfaced regarding an immenent attack). Speaking of Afghanistan, the country is still run by Al-Queda friendly warlords, with the exception of Kabul.

-If we were really concerned about saving lives, we would have been in the Congo and Rwanda were our military dollar would save more lives per year than they do in Iraq. Now all of our troops are strung out in Iraq so we can't help in Darfur.

-Don't use the hindsight argument about Iraq. Generals are coming out stating that they begged Rumsfeld for more troops (at the time) and he refused. Remember when it was leaked that he asked how many people it would take to occupy Iraq? The general he asked responded 500,000. Rumsfeld responded, "You'll do it with 144,000". Bush and Rummy didn't listen to the Generals. There has been too much public discussion about the war to say that we only know what is right in hindsite.

-How does one not predict an insurgency? Hasn't the left been screaming that Bush needs to watch the documentary The Battle of Algiers (about the Algerian insurgency against French occupation in the 60's) since the war ended? Bush and Co. have refused to listen.

*Great soundbite: Bush isn't a tax and spend President. He's worse. He's a borrow and spend President.

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Originally Posted by ronsc1985

If this country's environmental wackos and their brain dead political allies had not effectively eliminated any new oil exploration in Alaska, or off the U.S. coasts and effectively made it impossible to build new refinery capacity, we probably wouldn't be in the tight market we are now in.

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Bingo!

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Originally Posted by holein1

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Originally Posted by ronsc1985

If this country's environmental wackos and their brain dead political allies had not effectively eliminated any new oil exploration in Alaska, or off the U.S. coasts and effectively made it impossible to build new refinery capacity, we probably wouldn't be in the tight market we are now in.

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Bingo!

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In addition to that if we were to invest in alternative energy or hybrid vehicle design, additionally we could get away from needed crude oil as a major resource, we have the ability to develop cleaner more efficent vehicles, let me rehrase that, require developing such alternatives... today we even have additional tax penalties against fuel such as E85, not to mention way out government is still giveing oil companies incentives subsidized money for oil products (when they are turning biliion dollar record profits in one quarter) :roll:

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Originally Posted by amoney

In addition to that if we were to invest in alternative energy or hybrid vehicle design, additionally we could get away from needed crude oil as a major resource, we have the ability to develop cleaner more efficent vehicles, let me rehrase that, require developing such alternatives... today we even have additional tax penalties against fuel such as E85, not to mention way out government is still giveing oil companies incentives subsidized money for oil products (when they are turning biliion dollar record profits in one quarter) :roll:

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But we've been doing that forever! Obviously a car that uses less gas for the same power and size is very interesting. Not only has the US government and others subsidized development but also private companies have been doing so since the first Benz 3-wheeler rolled out of a garage in 1885. And the IRS gives you up to $30 000 tax credit if you install an E85 pump at a gas station.

The largest problem for Bush is that he refuses to listen.
The president can selectively listen. Don't we, in general. hear the complaints and not the support in anything? Isn't the news filled with doom and gloom. How many good things get reported...not many. How many demponstrations do we see when a group agrees with what's going on...rarely.

-When the President is of the same party as the controlling party in Congress, he is responsible for the budget. He is currently the leader of the Republican party. Oh and the current strategy of not including much money for Iraq in the budget and then asking for additional money is simply dishonest.
So he needs to know how much the war will cost....
So he needs to get the exact bugdet he wants....he did say he would not approve spending over a certain amount, congress did it, but ti ws still a crappy budget.
And how many time have the dems threatened to hold us hostage by f-n around, they can still hold any legislation up and they do.

-Bush thought up the tax cuts and pushed for them. He is responsible for unbalancing the budget. He refused to listen to economists that stated that his tax cut would lead to debt. Greenspan agreed with him (Greenspan was strangely political at that point), but the majority of the economists in this country stated his tax cuts would lead to increasing national debt. Bush refused to listen to the economists. What do they know about the economy?
Without the tax cuts the debt would be worse.
Gov't revenues are UP. That means MORE money. More tax means ess gov't revenue.

-I don't care if revenues are up, costs are skyrocketting. Net result has been a loss.
So you want to recind the tax break so people have less money to spend and then tax things more to get more revenue so things cost more.
Let me get this straight, I'll have a smaller paycheck and things cost more and this is good for me? I don't get it.

-You are wrong at the reason for the ballooning deficit. It is increasing because of the war spending. Each American currently owes over $2,000 for the war in Iraq.
$2,000 times the US pop 298663606 = $597,327,212,000
You are off by over two times.

-If we were really concerned about saving lives, we would have been in the Congo and Rwanda were our military dollar would save more lives per year than they do in Iraq. Now all of our troops are strung out in Iraq so we can't help in Darfur.
So it's our problem? Isn't the worlds problem? Is W's fault that un UN has their finger up their arse AGAIN. We should send troops, not everyone is deployed and it's a different type of unit needed anyway.

-Don't use the hindsight argument about Iraq.
I did anyway. You're Monday morning quarterbacking, great, someone thought they need more guys, others didn't. Which generals? Tommy Franks wasn't one of them I'd guess. They didn't need more troops to defeat Sadam, then needed more troops after. After some of what they expected didn't happen. Did anyone expect they should have recruited more guys to get rid of road side bombs? We'll I bet they wish they had. War is unpreictable, there are difference of opinion. 500,000 guys may or may not have any effect. The did get the INITIAL job done w/ the 14k or however many there were.


-How does one not predict an insurgency?
Well, they like don't. Insurgents come from another country did anyone really think Syria and Iran would send people in the fq up the works? Never heard that one on CNN.

*Great soundbite: Bush isn't a tax and spend President. He's worse. He's a borrow and spend President.
Money is cheap right now. Better than taxing the crap out of us.


Face it, all of us are long for the ride.
Too much special interest that mess things up for everyone but a small goup.
The system in flawed, unfortunately

Can't we get someone in office that isn't a Republican or Democrat for a change? I am NOT suggesting Ralph Nader but there has to be someone out there who isn't affiliated w/ the D's or R's and isn't all about MONEY AND POWER! Mk

Where is Ross Perot?

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Originally Posted by turbotroll

Where is Ross Perot?

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Iranian prison :lol:

There is no need for Bush to call for a probe into gas prices. That is because the laws are set up in the gas company's favor and it is legal for them to rip people off. If we want lower gas prices for our cars we have to change our laws to our favor. But ripping people off is the American way to get rich, and you can join in by buying gas company stock.

Higher gas prices can hurt the economy............It means less revenue for local governments from speeding tickets because some people will start going slow to save gas. :lol: