Illegal Immigrants Allowed to Obtain Driver’s Licenses!!!

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10-13-2007, 04:29 PM
Lucky225

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SSNs are not required to get a job, the employer just has to solicit it yearly and tell the IRS the employee did not provide one in order to not be fined. SSNs are not a required document for driver licenses either, the ability to drive is all that is needed.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis...ritynumber.htm

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ndividuals who have applied for and been denied the issuance of a Social Security number due to ineligibility or that have never applied for, been issued or assigned a SSN by the Social Security Administration may complete a Social Security Affidavit (DL-13). The affidavit will be available at the driver license office and must be sworn to before an authorized department employee. Providing a false statement to the department in connection with this affidavit will result in cancellation of the license and may result in criminal charges. The affidavit is not acceptable for the issuance of a commercial driver license. To be eligible for a CDL the person must have an SSN.

As I have not applied for or been issued an SSN in my new married name, all that was required is that I sign the affidavit, and now I have a driver license, kthx. Birth certificate = i'm legally here.

As for religion, I have a religious objection to the SSN and that is why I no longer have one or have applied for one.

www.christinalibery.org for more information.

I have no idea about the technicalities regarding obtaining a SSN and/or DL in US, I just enjoy very much travelling down south as a LEGAL Canadian tourist, but up here in Canada SIN is like a 2nd birth certificate (for those born in Canada), you MUST, repeat M-U-S-T, have a SIN in order to get a job, DL, open a bank account, etc., regardless you are born or came here as a LEGAL immigrant and in order to get a SIN you MUST provide lots of LEGAL documents such as immigrant visa with approved permanent resident status, to provide lots of local bills (hydro, phone, cable TV, etc.) that shows that you (so your name and not somebody else you live with) legally reside in a province of Canada... and for those that come here as illegals (mexicans at Windsor/Detroit border crossings lately) but they go to a police stations to ask for the refugee status they are issued SIN cards BUT with a specific number, the first 2 or 3 digits are different than the legal ones so the authorities will always know that you are here on a temporary (semi-legal) status until your file-case is approved or rejected by the government, usually it takes up to 2 years and the Canadian tax-payers pay, like freaking suckers, for each illegal to live here until (87% of them by the official immigration stats) are all deported to their home countries...

You just proved my point, if you come down here to the US, you don't have an SSN as you aren't eligible for one, you're here legally but you're not a citizen -- so if you're here visiting and need a US driver license, how would you feel if the DMV told you you were an illegal alien b/c you don't have an SSN? My point here is that even US CITIZENS BORN AND RAISED here don't have ssn's if they don't APPLY for one, and some of us here in the states see the REAL ID ACT and the SSN(one number for tracking US CITIZENS, NEED TO BUY SELL DRIVE GET JOBS ETC) As the mark of the beast. That is why even though I am a US BORN person, I do not have an SSN and I'm not going to get one and give it for identification or a driver license. So when I see articles from the press stating that a state has removed it's ssn requirement and all of the sudden the press turns it into 'illegal immigrants can get driver licenses now!!' I call it propaganda, b/c that's exactly what it is, the SSN requirement or lack thereof has nothing to do with legal presence, that's what birth certificates, visas, and permanent residence cards are for.
10-13-2007, 04:45 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

You just proved my point, if you come down here to the US, you don't have an SSN as you aren't eligible for one, you're here legally but you're not a citizen -- so if you're here visiting and need a US driver license, how would you feel if the DMV told you you were an illegal alien b/c you don't have an SSN? My point here is that even US CITIZENS BORN AND RAISED here don't have ssn's if they don't APPLY for one, and some of us here in the states see the REAL ID ACT and the SSN(one number for tracking US CITIZENS, NEED TO BUY SELL DRIVE GET JOBS ETC) As the mark of the beast. That is why even though I am a US BORN person, I do not have an SSN and I'm not going to get one and give it for identification or a driver license. So when I see articles from the press stating that a state has removed it's ssn requirement and all of the sudden the press turns it into 'illegal immigrants can get driver licenses now!!' I call it propaganda, b/c that's exactly what it is, the SSN requirement or lack thereof has nothing to do with legal presence, that's what birth certificates, visas, and permanent residence cards are for.

Sorry man, but are you on drugs??????????
1) You MUST get into US (and for the very same matter into every country of the world) by using any of the border crossings or airports and NOT entering ILLEGALLY the country... I myself use either the Peace Bridge (Fort Erie/Buffalo) or Quebec/VT or Sarnia/Port Huron or Windsor/Detroit, etc, this is LEGALLY, that's the ONLY way to enter US by not breaking the law!!!
2) You CANNOT get a US DL as a visitor, either you use your local DL (and ALL DLs from any Canadian province is fully recognized in US) or get an INTERNATIONAL DL before you get to US (that's only in case you plan on renting a car while on US soil)...

Man, where do you get your facts from (CNN, NBC or Air America maybe...) cause you're way way waaaaaay misinformed about the legality of the above issues!!!
10-13-2007, 06:11 PM
Lucky225

That is incorrect, if you stay in any state for more than 30 days, you are considered a resident of that state and must get a driver license from that state. The only exception is if you are residing in the state on active military or you're a student here. If you buy a car here and are staying for more than 10, 20 or 30 days depending on the state, you have to register it in the states, etc.. etc.. You can get a driver license as long as you are here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens are not going to be able to show legal presence documentation because they didn't come in at port of entries, they hopped fences, therefore all they got is mexican ID cards, that doesn't show legal presence and they can't get a driver license with them, regardless of weather or not they have an ssn is not the issue, it's weather they can prove they are legally here.
10-13-2007, 06:20 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

That is incorrect, if you stay in any state for more than 30 days, you are considered a resident of that state and must get a driver license from that state. The only exception is if you are residing in the state on active military or you're a student here. If you buy a car here and are staying for more than 10, 20 or 30 days depending on the state, you have to register it in the states, etc.. etc.. You can get a driver license as long as you are here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens are not going to be able to show legal presence documentation because they didn't come in at port of entries, they hopped fences, therefore all they got is mexican ID cards, that doesn't show legal presence and they can't get a driver license with them, regardless of weather or not they have an ssn is not the issue, it's weather they can prove they are legally here.

You mean you get to US ILLEGALLY, no big deal hide yourself for 30+ days and immediately you will become a LEGAL resident of that state????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
Respectfully, where do you get these facts from, not even for the UN building in NYC you cannot barge inside and because that's an international body and you are a citizen of Papua-New Guinea they must provide you with accommodations and a job inside the building, they will call the cops right away and you'll get arrested immediately!!!
10-13-2007, 07:04 PM
Lucky225

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Originally Posted by RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

That is incorrect, if you stay in any state for more than 30 days, you are considered a resident of that state and must get a driver license from that state. The only exception is if you are residing in the state on active military or you're a student here. If you buy a car here and are staying for more than 10, 20 or 30 days depending on the state, you have to register it in the states, etc.. etc.. You can get a driver license as long as you are here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens are not going to be able to show legal presence documentation because they didn't come in at port of entries, they hopped fences, therefore all they got is mexican ID cards, that doesn't show legal presence and they can't get a driver license with them, regardless of weather or not they have an ssn is not the issue, it's weather they can prove they are legally here.

You mean you get to US ILLEGALLY, no big deal hide yourself for 30+ days and immediately you will become a LEGAL resident of that state????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
Respectfully, where do you get these facts from, not even for the UN building in NYC you cannot barge inside and because that's an international body and you are a citizen of Papua-New Guinea they must provide you with accommodations and a job inside the building, they will call the cops right away and you'll get arrested immediately!!!

Dude what in the hell are you talking about, are you even READING what I'm writing? If you enter the US *LEGALLY* NOT ILLEGALLY, and you stay(RESIDE) in a state for more than 30 days, you have to get a driver license in that state. If you are from canada and you have been here LEGALLY again NOT ILLEGALLY, you have to get a driver license within 30 days, however if you're from canada and you're simply visiting you're not going to be a naturalized citizen and therefore not eligible for an SSN. Just because you're not eligible for an SSN does *NOT* mean you are not here LEGALLY. My point being, that there SHOULD not be a requirement for an SSN for the simple fact that some of us who ARE here legally, such as MYSELF who was once again, BORN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, either 1) are not eligible or 2) eligible for an SSN but choose not to apply for one because of religious reasons. The point being that there ARE *LEGAL* (NOT ILLEGAL, LEGAL) people here do not have SSN's, this does not make these LEGAL residents/citizens ILLEGAL ALIENS simply because they choose not to have an SSN. I, like you, DO *NOT* SUPPORT GIVING DRIVER LICENSES TO *ILLEGAL* ALIENS!, I SIMPLY DON'T SUPPORT THE STATES THAT REQUIRE AN SSN, AS THE LICENSING BUREAU CAN *VALIDATE* YOUR *LEGAL* STATUS WITHOUT IT
10-13-2007, 07:30 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

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Originally Posted by RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

That is incorrect, if you stay in any state for more than 30 days, you are considered a resident of that state and must get a driver license from that state. The only exception is if you are residing in the state on active military or you're a student here. If you buy a car here and are staying for more than 10, 20 or 30 days depending on the state, you have to register it in the states, etc.. etc.. You can get a driver license as long as you are here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens are not going to be able to show legal presence documentation because they didn't come in at port of entries, they hopped fences, therefore all they got is mexican ID cards, that doesn't show legal presence and they can't get a driver license with them, regardless of weather or not they have an ssn is not the issue, it's weather they can prove they are legally here.

You mean you get to US ILLEGALLY, no big deal hide yourself for 30+ days and immediately you will become a LEGAL resident of that state????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
Respectfully, where do you get these facts from, not even for the UN building in NYC you cannot barge inside and because that's an international body and you are a citizen of Papua-New Guinea they must provide you with accommodations and a job inside the building, they will call the cops right away and you'll get arrested immediately!!!

Dude what in the hell are you talking about, are you even READING what I'm writing? If you enter the US *LEGALLY* NOT ILLEGALLY, and you stay(RESIDE) in a state for more than 30 days, you have to get a driver license in that state. If you are from canada and you have been here LEGALLY again NOT ILLEGALLY, you have to get a driver license within 30 days, however if you're from canada and you're simply visiting you're not going to be a naturalized citizen and therefore not eligible for an SSN. Just because you're not eligible for an SSN does *NOT* mean you are not here LEGALLY. My point being, that there SHOULD not be a requirement for an SSN for the simple fact that some of us who ARE here legally, such as MYSELF who was once again, BORN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, either 1) are not eligible or 2) eligible for an SSN but choose not to apply for one because of religious reasons. The point being that there ARE *LEGAL* (NOT ILLEGAL, LEGAL) people here do not have SSN's, this does not make these LEGAL residents/citizens ILLEGAL ALIENS simply because they choose not to have an SSN. I, like you, DO *NOT* SUPPORT GIVING DRIVER LICENSES TO *ILLEGAL* ALIENS!, I SIMPLY DON'T SUPPORT THE STATES THAT REQUIRE AN SSN, AS THE LICENSING BUREAU CAN *VALIDATE* YOUR *LEGAL* STATUS WITHOUT IT

But the hot issue is not about those that get to US legally (these are tourists or business people or any of those who surrendered themselves to any police station asking for political asylum, Cubans for instance), the issue is just about those that enter US ILLEGALLY, 99% using the southern border... SSN or no SSN, an illegal immigrant should not be given the same rights and privileges as given to a legal immigrant/permanent resident and/or US citizen... but the left-wing of the Democratic Party led by moveon.org does not believe in America as a sovereign country with its own borders, all they want is open borders and anybody who's poor in his/her own country to be allowed to migrate any time to US and US to provide for him/her same things a US citizen or legal permanent resident is logically entitled to... the SSN issue is just a casualty of war as to speak, all they want is open borders and all illegals being given all rights and freedoms US citizens and legal permanent residents are getting by law so no more differences btwn illegals and legals, end of discussion...
10-13-2007, 07:37 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

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Originally Posted by RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

That is incorrect, if you stay in any state for more than 30 days, you are considered a resident of that state and must get a driver license from that state. The only exception is if you are residing in the state on active military or you're a student here. If you buy a car here and are staying for more than 10, 20 or 30 days depending on the state, you have to register it in the states, etc.. etc.. You can get a driver license as long as you are here LEGALLY. Illegal aliens are not going to be able to show legal presence documentation because they didn't come in at port of entries, they hopped fences, therefore all they got is mexican ID cards, that doesn't show legal presence and they can't get a driver license with them, regardless of weather or not they have an ssn is not the issue, it's weather they can prove they are legally here.

You mean you get to US ILLEGALLY, no big deal hide yourself for 30+ days and immediately you will become a LEGAL resident of that state????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
Respectfully, where do you get these facts from, not even for the UN building in NYC you cannot barge inside and because that's an international body and you are a citizen of Papua-New Guinea they must provide you with accommodations and a job inside the building, they will call the cops right away and you'll get arrested immediately!!!

Dude what in the hell are you talking about, are you even READING what I'm writing? If you enter the US *LEGALLY* NOT ILLEGALLY, and you stay(RESIDE) in a state for more than 30 days, you have to get a driver license in that state. If you are from canada and you have been here LEGALLY again NOT ILLEGALLY, you have to get a driver license within 30 days, however if you're from canada and you're simply visiting you're not going to be a naturalized citizen and therefore not eligible for an SSN. Just because you're not eligible for an SSN does *NOT* mean you are not here LEGALLY. My point being, that there SHOULD not be a requirement for an SSN for the simple fact that some of us who ARE here legally, such as MYSELF who was once again, BORN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, either 1) are not eligible or 2) eligible for an SSN but choose not to apply for one because of religious reasons. The point being that there ARE *LEGAL* (NOT ILLEGAL, LEGAL) people here do not have SSN's, this does not make these LEGAL residents/citizens ILLEGAL ALIENS simply because they choose not to have an SSN. I, like you, DO *NOT* SUPPORT GIVING DRIVER LICENSES TO *ILLEGAL* ALIENS!, I SIMPLY DON'T SUPPORT THE STATES THAT REQUIRE AN SSN, AS THE LICENSING BUREAU CAN *VALIDATE* YOUR *LEGAL* STATUS WITHOUT IT

I forgot, a Canadian can reside in US for up to 180 days w/out any visa, LEGALLY, these are primarily the so-called snowbirds, retired people who from Nov to May live all down in Florida or Arizona, I have not heard of any such people getting Florida or Arizona DL... or maybe they do not need one as the Ontario (just one example) DL is everywhere in the US fully recognized by any police dept...
10-13-2007, 09:13 PM
Lucky225

Yea, I get what you are saying and I myself did not actually read the news article, I see now that Spitzer himself is quoted as endorsing illegal aliens for driver licenses. Usually when I read these articles though the media gets it wrong, back in 1998/99 Cedillo (who is a pro-illegal alien legislator) made a law that took the SSN requirement away for California Driver Licenses, but the law STILL required legal presence documentation. The media made it into a big stink about how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses just b/c th SSN requirement was waived, which wasn't true because legal presence documentation was still required. He then tried to pass another law repealing the legal presence documentation but failed, and the govenor veto'ed the first one waiving the no SSN reqired law because of pressure from the media who made citizens believe that some how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses if SSN's weren't required. Sorry about the arguing, but the SSN issue pisses me off because when I was TRYING to get a Texas driver license the DMV tried to tell me the no SSN affidavit was "only for illegal aliens" I had to remind them that illegal aliens aren't entitled to licenses, they were very pissed, but when I showed them the law and had the driving control headquarters in Austin call and b!tch them out they finally gave me the license.
10-13-2007, 09:50 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

Yea, I get what you are saying and I myself did not actually read the news article, I see now that Spitzer himself is quoted as endorsing illegal aliens for driver licenses. Usually when I read these articles though the media gets it wrong, back in 1998/99 Cedillo (who is a pro-illegal alien legislator) made a law that took the SSN requirement away for California Driver Licenses, but the law STILL required legal presence documentation. The media made it into a big stink about how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses just b/c th SSN requirement was waived, which wasn't true because legal presence documentation was still required. He then tried to pass another law repealing the legal presence documentation but failed, and the govenor veto'ed the first one waiving the no SSN reqired law because of pressure from the media who made citizens believe that some how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses if SSN's weren't required. Sorry about the arguing, but the SSN issue pisses me off because when I was TRYING to get a Texas driver license the DMV tried to tell me the no SSN affidavit was "only for illegal aliens" I had to remind them that illegal aliens aren't entitled to licenses, they were very pissed, but when I showed them the law and had the driving control headquarters in Austin call and b!tch them out they finally gave me the license.

Since watching a lot about the US illegal immigrant issue I've realized how laxed the labor laws are in US compared with Canada, no way an illegal can get all the advantages, rights, privileges, freedoms available for illegals in US... and lately mexicans are crossing the border into Canada, couple of days ago on FNC they were shown two mexican women who crossed the border from Detroit into Windsor, Ontario, both have been in US for couple of years, illegals, but none were able to speak English, the conversation was done thru an translator, they were happy were getting social welfare and the right of an immigration trial (usually takes 2 years for a final decision) but both (and all refugees are the same) must live in a refugee shelter in very uncomfortable conditions, unless you get private families to take you in... also, in case you don't know this, Mexicans do not need visa to get to Canada as tourists BUT no work permits for them AND to get a work permit you MUST become a permanent resident first OR ask for the refugee status (very very slim chances for a favorable result as Mexico is a democratic but poor country), the result is that we do not have Mexicans (and they are all, in all honesty, very good people, humble, Christians, overwhelmingly stay out of trouble BUT do not assimilate entirely into the local society, Mejico always first for them) in Canada, very, very few Mexicans in Canada, and that's not the cold weather factor, Chicago or Minneapolis is way colder than Toronto, is just that is very very hard to get a work permit if you do not come here with a legal immigrant visa and to get that you need University degree, your occupation to be in demand in Canada and to speak and read fluently either English or French, so they don't see Canada as "good" as the US is in terms of labor laws...
OK, glad that we are pretty much on the same frequency, the SSN issue (SIN in Canada) is just something that is part of each country labor law, what in US is possible (to be able to refuse having one as a legal resident and/or US citizen and still be able to get a job, DL, bank account, etc.) not possible in Canada where no SIN, no more privileges of any kind...
And as I always say, drive safely :) :wink:
10-30-2007, 06:44 PM
RW'07

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Originally Posted by Lucky225

Yea, I get what you are saying and I myself did not actually read the news article, I see now that Spitzer himself is quoted as endorsing illegal aliens for driver licenses. Usually when I read these articles though the media gets it wrong, back in 1998/99 Cedillo (who is a pro-illegal alien legislator) made a law that took the SSN requirement away for California Driver Licenses, but the law STILL required legal presence documentation. The media made it into a big stink about how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses just b/c th SSN requirement was waived, which wasn't true because legal presence documentation was still required. He then tried to pass another law repealing the legal presence documentation but failed, and the govenor veto'ed the first one waiving the no SSN reqired law because of pressure from the media who made citizens believe that some how illegal aliens were going to be able to get licenses if SSN's weren't required. Sorry about the arguing, but the SSN issue pisses me off because when I was TRYING to get a Texas driver license the DMV tried to tell me the no SSN affidavit was "only for illegal aliens" I had to remind them that illegal aliens aren't entitled to licenses, they were very pissed, but when I showed them the law and had the driving control headquarters in Austin call and b!tch them out they finally gave me the license.

Latest news: Spitzer was forced to back off, 72% of NYers were against allowing illegals to get NY DLs, but in defeat he accused Lou Dobbs (CNN) of RACISM...

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