GOL RADAR SHOOTOUT TEST 1/28/06

Guys we will be holding a radar testing session on 1/28/06. Thus far we will be testing the Escort DSP (1991), Valentine One, RX65, X50, STI, and some older ones. This will strickly be a radar test. We MIGHT sneak in a LIDAR detection on the STI to see if it is really improved on LIDAR detection. We should be able to nail this in one day. We will not be video taping do to time constraints. We will be taking plenty of pics though. Any equipment donations (loaning) would be greatly appreciated. This is what we need:

STI
Kustom KA gun


We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

How about getting the DF2 and the AL6 (and some of the older ones for reference) and do a new-jammer first contact as well? 8) 8)

* no videos needed for verification, just the reported figures, GOL already has a reputation of being honest.

May I suggest that the generations of CMI detectors be tested? I realize this may add time, but it will certainly clarify the apochryphal ranking of detectors. I have my opinions based on owning a flock of radar detectors (no GULs, though) and I believe the 2nd gen Escort DSPs have the fewest falses (from Cobras) and modern Ka sensitivity.
The generations:
Original Escort
Passport
DSP (Motorola)
2nd-gen DSP, including 4500,4600,5000,6800,7500.
7500S (?)
8500,X-50 are Motorola DSP.

I'll supply a 5000 and an original Escort if interested.
Bill

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Originally Posted by Carlos from Spain

How about getting the DF2 and the AL6 (and some of the older ones for reference) and do a new-jammer first contact as well? 8) 8)

* no videos needed for verification, just the reported figures, GOL already has a reputation of being honest.

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Sorry no laser jammer tests this time. But, we will do one in the future as soon as production versions of both of these jammers are in the marketplace.

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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If I only drove in PA, I'd have a Passport or a DSP, too.

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Originally Posted by billgerr

May I suggest that the generations of CMI detectors be tested? I realize this may add time, but it will certainly clarify the apochryphal ranking of detectors. I have my opinions based on owning a flock of radar detectors (no GULs, though) and I believe the 2nd gen Escort DSPs have the fewest falses (from Cobras) and modern Ka sensitivity.
The generations:
Original Escort
Passpost
DSP (Motorola)
2nd-gen DSP, including 4500,4600,5000,6800 and I believe the original 7500.
7500s,8500,X-50 are Motorola DSP.

I'll supply a 5000 and an original Escort if interested.
Bill

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We'll see what happens and how much time we have. No need to send your 5000, I might have a couple :wink: I would be very surprised if the detectors you listed for "2nd Gen DSP" were even close to todays sensitivity on any band. But, maybe we'll find out for sure.

What do you know about the GUL detectors? Were't those early units by Beltronics or something?

Jim

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Originally Posted by happya$$

Guys we will be holding a radar testing session on 1/28/06. Thus far we will be testing the Escort DSP (1991), Valentine One, RX65, X50, STI, and some older ones. This will strickly be a radar test. We MIGHT sneak in a LIDAR detection on the STI to see if it is really improved on LIDAR detection. We should be able to nail this in one day. We will not be video taping do to time constraints. We will be taking plenty of pics though. Any equipment donations (loaning) would be greatly appreciated. This is what we need:

STI
Kustom KA gun


We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

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Cool. Imma lil confused. From the 2005 GOL shootout. The k,ka,x test that shows the mark of each detec. I see the V1 was at the top of each graph how many feet was it from the gun to where yall marked the detector reading?

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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Originally Posted by Tick Magnet

Cool. Imma lil confused. From the 2005 GOL shootout. The k,ka,x test that shows the mark of each detec. I see the V1 was at the top of each graph how many feet was it from the gun to where yall marked the detector reading?

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It says at the bottom of each chart approximately how far it was from the first cone (Cobra) to the gun. You can add up all of the distances and figure out about how far away from the gun it was. But, it won't tell you too much about performance. That was specific to our test situation, every situation will be different. The purpose was to compare the performance differences between the detectors, not to get a distance from the gun.

Jim

whoohooooo

I Like the testing area try to mark how many feet from the gun it was detected, unless thats what you did at the first test?

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Originally Posted by jimbonzzz

I would be very surprised if the detectors you listed for "2nd Gen DSP" were even close to todays sensitivity on any band. But, maybe we'll find out for sure.

What do you know about the GUL detectors? Were't those early units by Beltronics or something?

Jim

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I suspect there are differences between the 2nd-gens in that the case sizes differ quite a bit. At one time, Escort claimed the 4500 and 5000 were the same internally, although I doubted that all along as one has an LCD driver and a spectral display v. the conventional discrete LED display.

I find the 5000 to have Ka sensitivity roughly equivalent to the BEL 940 or 960 based on a stationary "your speed is" Ka sign in a nearby town. This surprised me as well. The V1 is better, of course. The BEL 940/960s are the Celerons of the RD industry as they appear to be 985s in sensitivity at a lower price point. My wife prefers the 5000 as it doesn't beep for Cobras---it merely displays "rejecting false signal".


The GULs were vintage BELs, IIRC.

Bill

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Originally Posted by happya$$

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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Yup. New year. New detector. New location! :wink:

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Originally Posted by jimbonzzz

Guys of LIDAR are looking for a couple of people who would be willing to send us their RX-65s to be used in performance testing later this month. This will be a perfect opportunity to have your own detector performance tested against other top units on the market, in some real-world speed trap types of situations. We also plan on testing USA vs INTL mode for Ka.

We plan to test the newer QL4G7M4 RX-65's against the older QL4G1S7 RX-65's to see if there are any significant performance differences. We are especially looking to obtain a couple of newer QL4G7M4 RX-65s, but a couple of the older QL4G1S7 would also help out too, to rule out any manufacturer variance.

If you would be willing to send us your RX-65 for testing, PM me or happya$$.

Jim

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I will lend you guys my RX65 to help test these 8)

The expected comparison of Super Wideband Ka (international) and AccuSweep (USA) modes will be long awaited.

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Originally Posted by happya$$

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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Yeah, you should pick a new. A location where the people won't call the cops. :lol:

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should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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How about Arizona??

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Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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Yeah, you should pick a new. A location where the people won't call the cops. :lol:

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The old location has bad vibes. I sliced the sidewall of one of my Goodyear Eagle F1's pulling out of there.

I say we try the park in Sheffield.

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should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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How about Arizona??

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Hey that's a great idea! Maybe even Roy himself could help you guys out with the testing! Woooo woooo!

Is Boomerman going to be there? Ya'll need to test that RMR Eclipse :lol:

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should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

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How about Arizona??

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Hey that's a great idea! Maybe even Roy himself could help you guys out with the testing! Woooo woooo!

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Roy helped with the last testing. He did alot of explainning the stuff used in the testing

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Originally Posted by happya$$

We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

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Ok so i wont hear how u guys fork out all this money and are looking to get alittle back pay or just to break it even?

or sell us another vid?

jimbonzzz,

I forgot about that.

BTW, how did that replacement tire work out for you?

B

OK what's the cop and tire story :lol:

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Originally Posted by The Veil Guy

jimbonzzz,

I forgot about that.

BTW, how did that replacement tire work out for you?

B

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It drove pretty good, I could feel the difference but it wasn't too bad. A LOT better than driving back to MI on a doughnut spare :D
Actually it is still on there. I'll probably buy a pair of the Eagle F1's this spring...

Jim

let me know where this test is going to be held... :D

Is Jason going???

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

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Need an STi for the test? :wink:

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Originally Posted by csteph

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Originally Posted by jimbonzzz

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

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Need an STi for the test? :wink:

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csteph,
PM Happya$$. I see where he had asked you if you wouldn't mind lending it to them for thier test in another thread on the board.

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

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If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

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Need an STi for the test? :wink:

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HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

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HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

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GOL, you can count my STi in. What other units will it be up against? I hope a V1, x50 and Rx65.

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HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

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GOL, you can count my STi in. What other units will it be up against? I hope a V1, x50 and Rx65.

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X50,V1,RX65,Escort DSP, 8500,etc

I'm hoping you guys are going to test with the original Passport 8500 and the Bel 985 / 995 for comparison, right? I'm especially interested in the comparison of Ka for the X50 and the original Passport 8500. Also interested in how much better the RX65 "really" (if any) is vs. the 985 / 995.

FWIW, the reporting of your last test's results was excellent. No BS comparison of features, etc. etc. Just pure detection results! A picture truly does say 1000 words, and the images with the detectors and distances was awesome...very concise and easy to interpret.

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Originally Posted by billgerr

The GULs were vintage BELs, IIRC.

Bill

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I don't know if this counts, but I have a functioning (I think) Bel Vector 3 LX. As I recall it does X/K/Ka narrow. I'm about to go out of town but you guys can shoot me a PM later in the week if you want to bother with it. I think I'll drive around with it while my V1 is getting re-flashed to see how terrible it is.

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Originally Posted by GOL

When it came time to do our detector tests, time was short and we knew that we wouldn't be able to be as thorough as we would have liked.

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Will you guys have enough time to test everything in one day?

*RX65 - older hardware vs. new
*RX65 - Ka performance USA vs. INTL modes
*STi, RX65 & X50 Ka performance with POP on/off
*Full STi testing
*Everything else

I wish you guys had time to test different Ka guns as well: 33.8, 34.7 & 35.5 to see if some Detectors have better Ka performance with certain frequencies.

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Originally Posted by stealth9

I'm hoping you guys are going to test with the original Passport 8500 and the Bel 985 / 995 for comparison, right? I'm especially interested in the comparison of Ka for the X50 and the original Passport 8500. Also interested in how much better the RX65 "really" (if any) is vs. the 985 / 995.

FWIW, the reporting of your last test's results was excellent. No BS comparison of features, etc. etc. Just pure detection results! A picture truly does say 1000 words, and the images with the detectors and distances was awesome...very concise and easy to interpret.

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We also have extensive video of all this but is on hold for confidential reasons

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Originally Posted by GOL

When it came time to do our detector tests, time was short and we knew that we wouldn't be able to be as thorough as we would have liked.

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Will you guys have enough time to test everything in one day?

*RX65 - older hardware vs. new
*RX65 - Ka performance USA vs. INTL modes
*STi, RX65 & X50 Ka performance with POP on/off
*Full STi testing
*Everything else

I wish you guys had time to test different Ka guns as well: 33.8, 34.7 & 35.5 to see if some Detectors have better Ka performance with certain frequencies.

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We are going to test every frequency. There will be no video this time or POP testing so time should not be an issue.