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04-28-2006, 07:44 AM
dan02

Canadian Question

I live in Ontario Canada. Does anyone know (for sure) what the penalty is if you are caught with a detector?? i have heard it is an automatic "104" which means you automatically go to court and that there is no set fine. Does this mean that you can be fined $10 000 if found guilty in court?? Can you get any points if you are caught. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I have heard information re. this from one extreme to the other and would just like to know for sure where I stand living in Ontario.

Thanks
04-28-2006, 09:37 AM
jerry540i

Section 79 of the Highway Traffic Act is the specific section that prohibits detectors in motor vehicles.

It is a regular Provincial Offenses Act notice--no automatic court appearance. You can choose to plead not guilty and fight the ticket, or simply pay the fine (and lose your detector to the Crown :x )

Sec. 79 sets the fine at a min $100 and max $1000.

No demerit points.

Jerry
04-28-2006, 12:50 PM
dan02

Jerry... that's very interesting. I heard about the automatic court date from a police officer. He is a very new officer and perhaps was incorrect. thanks for the input.
04-28-2006, 02:52 PM
spankyaf

79. (1) In this section,
"radar warning device" means any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to warn the driver of the presence of radar speed measuring equipment in the vicinity and includes any device or equipment designed or intended for use in a motor vehicle to interfere with the effective operation of radar speed measuring equipment.

Radar warning device prohibited
(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with or that carries or contains a radar warning device.

Powers of police officer
(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a radar warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any radar warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle.

Forfeiture of device
(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under this section, any device seized under subsection (3) by means of which the offence was committed is forfeited to the Crown.

Penalty
(5) Every person who contravenes subsection (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $100 and not more than $1,000.

Exception
(6) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who is transporting radar warning devices in sealed packages in a motor vehicle from a manufacturer to a consignee.

I understand that there has been an amendment there is now 2 or 3 demerits
04-28-2006, 03:41 PM
Rottman

Buy a BEL STI and you have nothing to worry about. 8)
04-29-2006, 06:43 AM
dan02

I purchased a Bel STI Driver...However, RD's are not legal in Ontario. I want to mount it on my windscreen so it will be most effective but then if I am pulled over i have to quickly shove it in my pocket before the officer notices it. I ride a sportbike and this may be hard to do all before the RD is noticed. I am just thinking of worst case scenerio here and wanted to know the penalty.

Are you certain that it is demerit points???
04-29-2006, 08:53 AM
F=MA

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan02

Are you certain that it is demerit points???

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...er/demerit.htm

Demerit points aren't listed on the HTA within subsection 179; so I wouldn't think it would be amended to include demerit points.

Only thing is that i've "heard" stories that insurance companies don't take to well to there clients having RD's. There are a few active members on the board who have been caught before; PM them to find out.
04-29-2006, 10:26 AM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan02

I purchased a Bel STI Driver...However, RD's are not legal in Ontario. I want to mount it on my windscreen so it will be most effective but then if I am pulled over i have to quickly shove it in my pocket before the officer notices it. I ride a sportbike and this may be hard to do all before the RD is noticed. I am just thinking of worst case scenerio here and wanted to know the penalty.

Are you certain that it is demerit points???

Some member here said he got points for RD use a couple weeks ago.

Mounting and hiding on a sportbike may be ideal. You definately don't have the same "just looking and seeing it" from the cop, but you do have the issue of the cop just seeing you stash it. I suggest doing a practice run a couple times while still rolling along at ~60-80 km/h as you would do if you just saw the cherries.
04-29-2006, 10:45 AM
dan02

I think practice runs are a great idea. Don't want to dump the bike and drop the RD while trying to stuff it in my pocket!
04-29-2006, 12:02 PM
spankyaf

I've done the rehearsal ride with my RX65. Using industrial strength veclro I had it attached on top of the brake resevoir. You're goinng to use your left hand reaching across so you want a pocket open and easily available on the right side of your jacket.

I'm pretty confident about the points revision comes from an OPP officer.
04-30-2006, 08:36 AM
Gim

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/R...h/940339_e.htm

Regulation 339/94 (Section 20 - Item #37) states that section 79 (2) of the Highway Traffic Act (Drive motor vehicle equipped with or carrying a speed measuring warning device) carries 3 demerit points.

Also be aware that speeding fines have increased. From 30-35km/hr over the limit the cost is $6.00 per km/hr over the limit not including victim surcharge or costs.
05-02-2006, 02:41 PM
joetoronto

they took my old RD away from me about 6 months ago. i got a fine for 150.00, i beleive it was, and no demerit points.

they saw the thing on my dash while they were slamming down donuts at timmy's while i drove by, bastards. :roll:

anyway, i now have an STI and i'm careful not to leave it on the dash while i'm in the city.
05-03-2006, 05:03 PM
spankyaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gim

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/R...h/940339_e.htm

Regulation 339/94 (Section 20 - Item #37) states that section 79 (2) of the Highway Traffic Act (Drive motor vehicle equipped with or carrying a speed measuring warning device) carries 3 demerit points.

Also be aware that speeding fines have increased. From 30-35km/hr over the limit the cost is $6.00 per km/hr over the limit not including victim surcharge or costs.

Welcome to the board officer.
05-04-2006, 04:06 AM
joetoronto

Quote:

Originally Posted by spankyaf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gim

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/R...h/940339_e.htm

Regulation 339/94 (Section 20 - Item #37) states that section 79 (2) of the Highway Traffic Act (Drive motor vehicle equipped with or carrying a speed measuring warning device) carries 3 demerit points.

Also be aware that speeding fines have increased. From 30-35km/hr over the limit the cost is $6.00 per km/hr over the limit not including victim surcharge or costs.

Welcome to the board officer.

lol, ya really. :D
05-04-2006, 06:05 AM
spankyaf

No I chat with him on another board. (pretty sure this is him) If you guys keep a civil tongue in your heads he may give you some insights on how he uses his Spectre/laser etc.
05-04-2006, 08:31 AM
joetoronto

Quote:

Originally Posted by spankyaf

No I chat with him on another board. (pretty sure this is him) If you guys keep a civil tongue in your heads he may give you some insights on how he uses his Spectre/laser etc.

ah, well i'm sorry for calling the two officers that busted me bastards then, i think. :P
05-04-2006, 05:28 PM
Gim

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Originally Posted by joetoronto

Quote:

Originally Posted by spankyaf

No I chat with him on another board. (pretty sure this is him) If you guys keep a civil tongue in your heads he may give you some insights on how he uses his Spectre/laser etc.

ah, well i'm sorry for calling the two officers that busted me bastards then, i think. :P

I even offered to meet so he could test his STi with a Spectre.
05-04-2006, 05:44 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gim

I even offered to meet so he could test his STi with a Spectre.

Wow. That sounds great. But... I don't know. I would be uncomfortable with that :lol:
05-04-2006, 06:39 PM
spankyaf

Wouldnt that be entrapment?? :D
05-04-2006, 06:55 PM
proudNMAmember

Re: officer

Come on officer. I want to see some pics of that Spectre in use. Can you do that for us? I hope this isn't much to ask? Mk
05-04-2006, 06:59 PM
spankyaf

Yeah Mike you're awfully brave with my Sti
05-07-2006, 07:45 PM
Gim

Re: officer

Quote:

Originally Posted by proudNMAmember

Come on officer. I want to see some pics of that Spectre in use. Can you do that for us? I hope this isn't much to ask? Mk

Kinda hard to do..you're just cruising down the road then <bam> you get the hit. Isolate the vehicle and grab the detector.

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gim

I even offered to meet so he could test his STi with a Spectre.

Wow. That sounds great. But... I don't know. I would be uncomfortable with that :lol:

Hell, I'm just curious to see the STi myself! Especially the set up on the motorbike. This stuff just interests me.

For instance, whenever I get a detector I check the websites to see what it's about. If I get a V1 I check the V1 website and run the serial # to see what version software it has. Like I said, it's an interest.
05-10-2006, 07:53 PM
Daz

Quote:

Hell, I'm just curious to see the STi myself! Especially the set up on the motorbike. This stuff just interests me.

For instance, whenever I get a detector I check the websites to see what it's about. If I get a V1 I check the V1 website and run the serial # to see what version software it has. Like I said, it's an interest

Hey guys I'm sure Roy was in the same boat when he was on the HP.

Welcome aboard officer!

I'm sure most of us aren't speeders but just have radar detectors as toys. I can honeslty say I rarely speed, I set my cruise at 120 on the 401 and rarely go any faster.

I'd gladly meet up with you and show you the STi. I'm in the London area. PM me. Just please don't take my STI away!!! LoL :lol:
05-11-2006, 11:46 AM
shawley

Re: Canadian Question

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan02

I live in Ontario Canada. Does anyone know (for sure) what the penalty is if you are caught with a detector?? i have heard it is an automatic "104" which means you automatically go to court and that there is no set fine. Does this mean that you can be fined $10 000 if found guilty in court?? Can you get any points if you are caught. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I have heard information re. this from one extreme to the other and would just like to know for sure where I stand living in Ontario.

Thanks

i have been told that in saskatchewan it's $1000 and they take it from your or crush it

i assume ontario is close to the same

Alberta is the only place in canada that i know of 100% that they are "LEGAL"
05-11-2006, 11:59 AM
SmaartAasSaabr

Nah Alberta, BC and Sask are the total-legal ones. And Manitoba I dunno. I talked to someone there who said "They are illegal but everyone has one anyway".
05-11-2006, 12:09 PM
shawley

well i was talking to some customers at work and they came from sask, on a trip to edmonton

and said they got a ticket in sask for there radar for $1000

manitoba is 100% illegal my buddie lived there for liek 3 years
05-18-2006, 04:35 PM
Bookm

Hey Ontario!

London area here. In one week, I head to Barrie to drive on Season 2 of Canada's Worst Driver (as the over-agressive type). I could really use an old, tired RD for the trip if you have one laying around I could borrow. I'll be sure to return it when I get back....

Thanks in advance,

Book
05-19-2006, 10:54 AM
spankyaf

That show cracks me up. But those old tired RDs are Spectre beacons might be a funny bit. We've got some coppers on this board that could nail your ass with it.

Make sure you light up the tires for the show. :lol:
05-19-2006, 11:09 AM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bookm

Hey Ontario!

London area here. In one week, I head to Barrie to drive on Season 2 of Canada's Worst Driver (as the over-agressive type). I could really use an old, tired RD for the trip if you have one laying around I could borrow. I'll be sure to return it when I get back....

Thanks in advance,

Book

Ha that's great!
05-20-2006, 06:01 PM
Bookm

Quote:

Originally Posted by spankyaf

That show cracks me up. But those old tired RDs are Spectre beacons might be a funny bit. We've got some coppers on this board that could nail your ass with it.

Make sure you light up the tires for the show. :lol:

So I found out (lost mine several years ago to OPP), LOL. He looked for a good 15 minutes before finally pushin' the right button, DOH! He was better than the city cops. They looked for 20 minutes before giving up! LOL

Tires??? HA... I wonder if anyone's ROLLED one yet!?! (just might be a first, hehehe)
05-20-2006, 08:04 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

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Originally Posted by Bookm

Tires??? HA... I wonder if anyone's ROLLED one yet!?! (just might be a first, hehehe)

When they try to make you parallel park a Honda Civic just slam it in R, floor it, smash the car behind ya then slam it in D (because they are all autoboxes because most of the people on the show can't drive worth a ****) and floor it and ram the car ahead of ya and repeat then just storm off and try to roll it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Tell 'em the throttle got stuck :lol:

WOW I could have SO much fun on that show :lol: I just don't want Jim Kenzie telling me off he's the only one I sometimes share opinions with (drive right pass left!)
05-21-2006, 12:54 PM
Hessen

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

I just don't want Jim Kenzie telling me off he's the only one I sometimes share opinions with (drive right pass left!)

Kenzie the King of SUV haters....... :lol:
05-21-2006, 01:00 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

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Originally Posted by the horn13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

I just don't want Jim Kenzie telling me off he's the only one I sometimes share opinions with (drive right pass left!)

Kenzie the King of SUV haters....... :lol:

Ya know what? I remember Kenzie yellin about SUV's on Motoring back in like 1996 and I was like "yeah SUV's suck!". Then recently, all the stonnade green-freaks got involved and now I LOVE SUV's :lol: :lol:
05-21-2006, 01:13 PM
Hessen

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Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by the horn13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

I just don't want Jim Kenzie telling me off he's the only one I sometimes share opinions with (drive right pass left!)

Kenzie the King of SUV haters....... :lol:

Ya know what? I remember Kenzie yellin about SUV's on Motoring back in like 1996 and I was like "yeah SUV's suck!". Then recently, all the stonnade green-freaks got involved and now I LOVE SUV's :lol: :lol:

Kenzie should wear a dress when he does Kenzie's Korner.

He whines like a Woman and changes his mind like one too.

:lol:
05-21-2006, 01:31 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by the horn13

Kenzie should wear a dress when he does Kenzie's Korner.

He whines like a Woman and changes his mind like one too.

:lol:

Nah just give him a skin-tight pink shirt :wink:

Ya know who totally sucks? That "Pat Goss" dude on MotorWeek - he used to be more or less the same as the mechanic dude on Motoring, but recently he just says "now it's a good idea to tell your mechanic who changes your oil that oil is good."

Now I'm the kind of guy who changes his own headgaskets and rebuilds his own gearboxes so...

Hey is it just me or did they cut out a lot of the Saab footage in their credits? Half the video in their credits used to be Saab stuff from '95, a crashtest and then a 9000 cut in half I think
05-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Hessen

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by the horn13

Kenzie should wear a dress when he does Kenzie's Korner.

He whines like a Woman and changes his mind like one too.

:lol:

Nah just give him a skin-tight pink shirt :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
05-21-2006, 01:47 PM
Hessen

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

Ya know who totally sucks? That "Pat Goss" dude on MotorWeek -

All these TV Mechanics are a joke........ever notice

Everything AMK fits perfectly
They never have Rusted bolts
Nothing ever breaks or strips
All disassembly is problem free as is the assembly

Now in the real world we know better....... :wink:

Oh and nothing takes more than 30 minutes including Commercial Breaks

:lol:
05-21-2006, 02:07 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by the horn13

All these TV Mechanics are a joke........ever notice

Everything AMK fits perfectly
They never have Rusted bolts
Nothing ever breaks or strips
All disassembly is problem free as is the assembly

Now in the real world we know better....... :wink:

Oh and nothing takes more than 30 minutes including Commercial Breaks

:lol:

Oh yeah that's just... "wow that sure looks easy". Then you try it, and you need a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 4 foot long pipe on the end trying to loosen the nut and you push harder, and harder, and harder then snap and you go flying into the wall and the stud just snapped.
05-21-2006, 03:54 PM
Hessen

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

you need a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 4 foot long pipe on the end trying to loosen the nut and you push harder, and harder, and harder then snap and you go flying into the wall and the stud just snapped.

What a relief.......I thought I was the only one.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
05-21-2006, 04:07 PM
SmaartAasSaabr

Quote:

Originally Posted by the horn13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmaartAasSaabr

you need a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 4 foot long pipe on the end trying to loosen the nut and you push harder, and harder, and harder then snap and you go flying into the wall and the stud just snapped.

What a relief.......I thought I was the only one.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The worst are when you get a new car and the last person who put the wheels on was a dropout with an impact gun. I've got busted tire irons and 1 that just got really bent from that...

The book says "never tighten with an impact wrench" and it also says "tighten to 85 Nm". How the heck does someone think to tighten to 850 Nm instead?

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