impossible laser jammer feature?

is it possible to have a laser jammer with a "bogey counter" per say, like the v1? for exampe, say in your area, cops are shooting an ultralyte and a stalker or PL3 and shooting you at the same time...now if your being shot by both, your jammer is going to only jam 1 on the guns correct?

so what if, a maker could identify a few different guns at once, and maybe have multiple diodes, diode/leds, or another combination, and then an in car dash box that identifies how many guns are trying to clock you, and which ones your jamming? is this possible? cost too much?

its an un-needed feature. however anything is possible.

why and how is this un-needed? i was talking to mousie today and he said they were shooting both guns at the same time in close proximity. if he were to be shot, he'd be toast.

well, if its the same gun then its the same PPM. so it would not make a difference. however, if they are using 2 different guns then you could be in trouble. I belive a jammer can only match one set of PPM I dont know if they can do 2 at the same time.

Most police depts are finding it hard to afford laser enforcement, much less putting 2 LEO's on the same street, just does not make sense.

at this time if you get hit with 2 different guns, and get a ticket its just not your day :)

But if you have VEIL / laser shield it doesnt matter how many guns they shoot :)

Why would two officers target the same car? :wink:

If you are getting hit with laser, you better slow down and pass by unoticed, regardless of how many guns you are be shot with. It would be a useless feature. Nice to have, but I would not buy a laser jammer over the other because it had that feature.

Not completely impossible I don't think, but IMHO it would be prohibitively difficult, especially with so little to gain from such a feature.

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well, if its the same gun then its the same PPM. so it would not make a difference. however, if they are using 2 different guns then you could be in trouble. I belive a jammer can only match one set of PPM I dont know if they can do 2 at the same time.

Most police depts are finding it hard to afford laser enforcement, much less putting 2 LEO's on the same street, just does not make sense.

at this time if you get hit with 2 different guns, and get a ticket its just not your day :)

But if you have VEIL / laser shield it doesnt matter how many guns they shoot :)

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For the jammer to jam 2 of the same guns at the same time both officers would have to fire the gun at exactly the same time. If you're a micro second off from the other officers you'll have alternating pulses.

JTW

FYI.

UltraLyte 100LR and the Stalker LIDAr both used simultaneously showed no issue in obtaining readings or a noticable conflict to the operator 6 feet apart.

Sunny day test. I shot the Stalker.

GOL has the pulse rates listed............
-Suf Daddy

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well, if its the same gun then its the same PPM. so it would not make a difference. however, if they are using 2 different guns then you could be in trouble. I belive a jammer can only match one set of PPM I dont know if they can do 2 at the same time.

Most police depts are finding it hard to afford laser enforcement, much less putting 2 LEO's on the same street, just does not make sense.

at this time if you get hit with 2 different guns, and get a ticket its just not your day :)

But if you have VEIL / laser shield it doesnt matter how many guns they shoot :)

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The Defender2 can jam multiple guns at once regardless of the pulse rate of the individual guns.
I tested with the LTI20-20 and UL LR100 and it jammed both at once.
Benifits of having multiple diodes on your jammer.
The Defender2 diodes can work at different pulse rates if they have to.

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Not completely impossible I don't think, but IMHO it would be prohibitively difficult, especially with so little to gain from such a feature.

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Already working on the Defender2.

If you want to log the data as well you can do this via the PC software we released today as well.
It will show you the pulse rates/time between pulses etc etc.

dang, that's awesome DS! good work!

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dang, that's awesome DS! good work!

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We have loads more stuff planned,Just takes a bit of time to get ready.
I forgot to mention you will need a laptop in your car hooked upto the serial connector on the in-car box to log the data.
The Drivesmart will have similar software available for it as well over the next couple of weeks.

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Not completely impossible I don't think, but IMHO it would be prohibitively difficult, especially with so little to gain from such a feature.

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Already working on the Defender2.

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OK some questions:

So, Defender2 displays the number guns are shooting at it simultaneously?

What is the maximum number it will show?

Does it show the pulse rate of all guns shooting at it simultaneously, or just the first/strongest/etc gun?

With Defender2 jamming multiple guns, will some guns show jamming codes that otherwise would not if Defender2 is jamming only the one gun?

Since Defender2 can jam multiple guns, does it use a high-frequency pulsing scheme (in the MHz) like in the old Lidatek LE-10/Target LE-850?

If it does use a high-frequency pulsing scheme, is the pulse load shared between the laser diodes? (i.e. 500 Khz per diode?)

If it is using such a scheme, are the laser diodes overdriven?

If the diodes are not overdriven, why is there a time limit for jamming, since the diodes should be able to jam for any length of time if operated at their rated specs?

Is there a downloadable version of defender2 operators manual, in pdf etc?

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Not completely impossible I don't think, but IMHO it would be prohibitively difficult, especially with so little to gain from such a feature.

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Already working on the Defender2.

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OK some questions:

So, Defender2 displays the number guns are shooting at it simultaneously?

What is the maximum number it will show?

Does it show the pulse rate of all guns shooting at it simultaneously, or just the first/strongest/etc gun?

With Defender2 jamming multiple guns, will some guns show jamming codes that otherwise would not if Defender2 is jamming only the one gun?

Since Defender2 can jam multiple guns, does it use a high-frequency pulsing scheme (in the MHz) like in the old Lidatek LE-10/Target LE-850?

If it does use a high-frequency pulsing scheme, is the pulse load shared between the laser diodes? (i.e. 500 Khz per diode?)

If it is using such a scheme, are the laser diodes overdriven?

If the diodes are not overdriven, why is there a time limit for jamming, since the diodes should be able to jam for any length of time if operated at their rated specs?

Is there a downloadable version of defender2 operators manual, in pdf etc?

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First of all we don't over drive the diodes.
If you grab the datasheets you can see the info and driving specifications.
Osram diodes do have operating tollerances so if you wanted to it would be easy to overdrive within the specifications.
There is also an onboard temperature sensor that will be able to give you various ammounts of info.
Also if you mean do we burn holes in pieces of paper the answer is NO LOL.
The logged data is in real time so there is no reason why it will not give the info on both guns as it will see the various different pulse rates and time between pulses etc.
I may be wrong here I think on kick off the LTI20-20 threw up 01 and the UL 03 but on the back display and not the HUD.
Users manual will be up later today on the support section of our site.

Neil please answer the Professor's questions because your answers are vague. This is NOT meant to destroy this thread with flaming.

DS and other jammers may jam two guns if the LIDAR gun examples used are close in pulse rate or have the same pulse rate..........

POINT:

"In the book "Understanding traffic radar & lidar", the table for the PPS rate for some lidar guns is different.

I suspect its the firmware version, but here's what they say:

LTI 20/20 & Marksman 180 pps
UltraLyte 120 pps (no version specified)
all others matched.................. (BELOW:)

.......................................PPS Relative Pulse Rate
Laser Atlanta ProLaser II..238............4.2016 millisec.
Kustom Pro III.................200.............5.00
LTI Marksman & 20/20......180.............5.555
Stalker............................130............ .7.6923
LTI UltraLyte....................120.............8.333 3

page 142 of the book...... copyrighted 1998.
-Suf Daddy

Data from the GOL:
Stalker LZ-1, 130pps, Firmware v1.8, Manufactured Oct 1998 (Top Middle)
LTI Ultralyte LR Rev 1, 100pps, Manufactured June 1998 (Bottom Left)
LTI Marksman, 125pps , Manufactured June 1994 (Bottom Middle)
LTI Ultralyte LR B, 125pps, Firmware v3.02, Manufactured August 2003 (Bottom Right)

Knowing that there are a few (at least 3 versions) of the Ultralyte:
LR ver 1 100 pps
LR B 125 pps & MARKSMAN 125 pps
100LR ?

Depending on the firmware version.....Neil could have two same pps, LTI products, hence the "dual" jam...................IMHO.

-Suf Daddy