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06-21-2007, 06:46 AM
Sparkknocker

All Done

I am all done buying Belscort products. Their little BS deal they got going on with Craig Peterson is enough to make me puke. And to top it off when you buy a new Belscort RD you got a 50/50 chance the thing is F'd up from the factory.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it appears if you have a problem and call them up they will act like politicians and tell you what you want to hear to shut you up.

What brought this all on is the Beltronics website. They have the hyperlink to Craig Peterson's V1 vs STI test displaying how much better the STI is then the V1. It is purely BS. I am not the biggest V1 fan by all means but at least with Valentine you know that you are in good hands if your detector has a problem. Belscort doesn't give a damn. All they care about is the money that you give them.
06-21-2007, 06:53 AM
Stealthcb

Re: All Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaseavey

I am all done buying Belscort products. Their little BS deal they got going on with Craig Peterson is enough to make me puke. And to top it off when you buy a new Belscort RD you got a 50/50 chance the thing is F'd up from the factory.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it appears if you have a problem and call them up they will act like politicians and tell you what you want to hear to shut you up.

What brought this all on is the Beltronics website. They have the hyperlink to Craig Peterson's V1 vs STI test displaying how much better the STI is then the V1. It is purely BS. I am not the biggest V1 fan by all means but at least with Valentine you know that you are in good hands if your detector has a problem. Belscort doesn't give a *BEEP*. All they care about is the money that you give them.

That's a real shame. A company with good products but crap service.

There's always Whistler!
06-21-2007, 07:19 AM
AirMoore

So you aren't buying Belscort anymore, you sent back one of the better versions of the V1 (3.826), which didn't have the glitches the new ones do... so you probably wont be buying one of them either...

Stealthcb looks like he HAS to go with whistler, if he still wants solid detection? (Not to mention I have heard nothing but top-notch customer service from them, many even say better then VR).

Thats too bad aaseavey, I would say buy from Roy for Belscort, because he will take care of you should anything go wrong, but as we know some company took over... and I am unsure of their CService.
06-21-2007, 08:32 AM
sethy

Re: All Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaseavey

I am all done buying Belscort products. Their little BS deal they got going on with Craig Peterson is enough to make me puke. And to top it off when you buy a new Belscort RD you got a 50/50 chance the thing is F'd up from the factory.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it appears if you have a problem and call them up they will act like politicians and tell you what you want to hear to shut you up.

What brought this all on is the Beltronics website. They have the hyperlink to Craig Peterson's V1 vs STI test displaying how much better the STI is then the V1. It is purely BS. I am not the biggest V1 fan by all means but at least with Valentine you know that you are in good hands if your detector has a problem. Belscort doesn't give a *BEEP*. All they care about is the money that you give them.

I would like to state what I am about to say below is my opinion and my opinion only.

Yeah, their deal is pretty sad. Last year CP reviewed the x50 vs v1. He claims the x50 was the winner.

Following year- Escort comes out with the STi, yet he still tests it against the v1.

Why not test it against against the "winner" of last years test? :roll: :roll:
06-21-2007, 08:34 AM
AirMoore

Re: All Done

Quote:

Originally Posted by sethy

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaseavey

I am all done buying Belscort products. Their little BS deal they got going on with Craig Peterson is enough to make me puke. And to top it off when you buy a new Belscort RD you got a 50/50 chance the thing is F'd up from the factory.

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it appears if you have a problem and call them up they will act like politicians and tell you what you want to hear to shut you up.

What brought this all on is the Beltronics website. They have the hyperlink to Craig Peterson's V1 vs STI test displaying how much better the STI is then the V1. It is purely BS. I am not the biggest V1 fan by all means but at least with Valentine you know that you are in good hands if your detector has a problem. Belscort doesn't give a *BEEP*. All they care about is the money that you give them.

Yeah, their deal is pretty sad. Last year CP reviewed the x50 vs v1. He claims the x50 was the winner.

Following year- Escort comes out with the STi, yet he still tests it against the v1.

Why not test it against against the "winner" of last years test? :roll: :roll:

Bel, or at least Belscort. (Don't worry Sethy, I am tired as all heck when I type this stuff too, and I also rush it, so I understand the mistake). :wink: 8)
06-21-2007, 08:44 AM
Stealthcb

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirMoore

Stealthcb looks like he HAS to go with whistler, if he still wants solid detection? (Not to mention I have heard nothing but top-notch customer service from them, many even say better then VR).

He's limiting himself to Whistler, V1, or Cobra....Oh, and there's RMR, at least for now. Bet their customer service is...nonexistent.
06-21-2007, 08:54 AM
Sparkknocker

Sethy I was going to add that too but I was trying to limit my paragraph.

Either way gents, I am waiting patiently for Valentine to fix some issues. Until then I will still use my 4.5 RX65. I never said I wouldn't use, just wouldn't buy another.

The problem with the radardetector world is ignorance. Belscort see's Cobra as the # 1 selling brand with much worse RD's. Thus, Belscort just wants to get their RD's out the door to sell with disregard to quality. IMO this is why quality is on the crappy side with Belscort. What do you all think?
06-21-2007, 09:09 AM
nascar

I have not owned a BEL product since Escort purchased them. I felt they were good back then. Seems that today their products are very hit or miss.

I'd like to see BEL reduce their model lineup from 7 down to 3 or 4 quality feature priced models.
06-21-2007, 09:22 AM
thestaton

I guess some people have better luck than others. For me I've owned 2 Bel 985's, 2 8500's, 3 x50's, 1 rx-65, 2 9500i's & 1 STi and none have ever given me a problem.

Until you have something catch on fire on you at the end of the day there's nothing to worry about. *cough* valentine. not to mention I had 3 give me the dreaded "E"...

oh lets not forget about the beta testing days from 3.821 to 3.826.
06-21-2007, 10:07 AM
happya$$

My experiences are complete opposite of Staton's. I have owned a V1 since 1995 and never had one go bad on me. In fact the ONLY issue I have ever had was one that I bought off Ebay and it was out of tune. On the other hand I had to return an X50, 2 RX65, and an STI for self cal and service required issues. As far as Whistler goes they have TOP NOTCH CS
06-21-2007, 10:13 AM
V1 Dave

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Originally Posted by happya$$

My experiences are complete opposite of Staton's. I have owned a V1 since 1995 and never had one go bad on me. In fact the ONLY issue I have ever had was one that I bought off Ebay and it was out of tune. On the other hand I had to return an X50, 2 RX65, and an STI for self cal and service required issues. As far as Whistler goes they have TOP NOTCH CS

How many V1's have you had?
How long do you keep one?
That's because you buy and sell V1's as much as sethy.
I have owned since 95' as well but I have the same one retrofitted.
06-21-2007, 10:15 AM
sethy

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That's because you buy and sell V1's as much as sethy.

Oh come on :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
06-21-2007, 11:15 AM
V1 Dave

sethy's here! :lol:

Happy is currently loving his 3.813 intermitantly tries his PRO-78 for comparison and would not switch for anything else at this point.

I am guessing that sethy is currently thinking about stopping by VR and personally buying a brand new 3.862 but will not keep it for more than a few weeks or months because his love/hate relationship for a V1 will get to him.
How am I doing? :lol:
06-21-2007, 11:32 AM
TQUILL

What caues V1's to go out of tune anyway? And how often does that happen? When you guys leave your car, do you take your detector or leave on the windshield or glove box?
06-21-2007, 11:42 AM
JeepinJeff

I usually put mine under my drivers seat.
06-21-2007, 12:12 PM
sethy

Quote:

Originally Posted by V1 Dave

sethy's here! :lol:

Happy is currently loving his 3.813 intermitantly tries his PRO-78 for comparison and would not switch for anything else at this point.

I am guessing that sethy is currently thinking about stopping by VR and personally buying a brand new 3.862 but will not keep it for more than a few weeks or months because his love/hate relationship for a V1 will get to him.
How am I doing? :lol:

Doing well... doing well :lol:

Actually since ive moved, I am happy with the v1 and no longer have that love hate relationship :wink:
06-21-2007, 12:13 PM
Buford T. Justice

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQUILL

What caues V1's to go out of tune anyway? And how often does that happen? When you guys leave your car, do you take your detector or leave on the windshield or glove box?

When it does go out of calibration, what indication do you get? A ticket?
06-21-2007, 12:17 PM
sethy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buford T. Justice

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQUILL

What caues V1's to go out of tune anyway? And how often does that happen? When you guys leave your car, do you take your detector or leave on the windshield or glove box?

When it does go out of calibration, what indication do you get? A ticket?

Well, they say an E should appear, but I have had a unit that has fallen out of tune back in the earlier days that did not give me an E.
06-21-2007, 04:01 PM
JDS

Quote:

Originally Posted by thestaton

Until you have something catch on fire on you at the end of the day there's nothing to worry about. *cough* valentine. not to mention I had 3 give me the dreaded "E"...

Wait, WHAT?

I think you need to tell that story in detail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQUILL

What caues V1's to go out of tune anyway? And how often does that happen? When you guys leave your car, do you take your detector or leave on the windshield or glove box?

You know because it loses detection range/stops working on Your Speed signs. If you never drive through areas that use Your Speed signs...well...I guess you can use the door openers to test it...if there are no door openers or Your Speed signs in any place you drive through, move away from Siberia.

I leave mine in the glove box, but lately I've been wondering if it's getting too hot even in there.
06-21-2007, 04:06 PM
insertquarter

I'm Really Starting 2 Fear Getting the Self Cal on My 955...
06-21-2007, 04:32 PM
John_in_NC

I meant to order the Cryogenic Chamber option which is great for both long drives and keeping V1's in new condition.

Since I didnt, I put mine in a padded pouch and slide it into the map pocket on the door. Funny how even pulling it out from there it is hot. Does this thing have some sort of radio active material in it?

I too like Whistler CS, never had a problem but I did email and aske them some questions. They were quite responsive.

Didn't realize there was any problem with Bel. Gosh their products used to be top notch. I also had some dialog with them, although the rep sounded a bit stressed out, maybe from her last call, but she was very knowledgable and helpful and offered me an outstanding trade in offer for a new RX-65.
06-22-2007, 08:33 AM
jwardell

I've wondered that myself, why many people are so against CP, yet push belscort and thereby funding him and supporting corporate espionage.
I've been a fan of bel design for a long time as well. It is almost sad to see them join with escort and just kind of coast.
I am a big supporter of companies that go above and beyond...constantly updating and improving (like V1) or support so good they actually are involved in the enthusiast forums (Whistler). They deserve extra money for doing so IMO. I'm very happy to see whistler making a good effort to step away from the pack, and I hope they can release an even better model soon.
06-22-2007, 08:51 AM
insidercw3

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwardell

I've wondered that myself, why many people are so against CP, yet push belscort and thereby funding him and supporting corporate espionage.
I've been a fan of bel design for a long time as well. It is almost sad to see them join with escort and just kind of coast.
I am a big supporter of companies that go above and beyond...constantly updating and improving (like V1) or support so good they actually are involved in the enthusiast forums (Whistler). They deserve extra money for doing so IMO. I'm very happy to see whistler making a good effort to step away from the pack, and I hope they can release an even better model soon.

Bel didn't "join" Escort. Beltronics went bankrupt for the 3rd time and as they went under and it appeared that the Bel line would forever disappear, Escort Corp purchased Beltronics, lock, stock and patents.
What is the basis for the "supporting corporate espionage" statement?
06-25-2007, 08:24 AM
jwardell

As in, supporting CP's actions.
06-25-2007, 10:12 AM
thestaton

The older analog V1's (3.826 and below) will not show an "E" when they go out of tune. The new V1's (3.851 and up) will show an "E" if they go out of tune or something is wrong with the unit.

For myself my first 3.851 was way out of wack. K was reporting as Ka, and the performance was terrible. After about a week I finally got an "E" and
sent it in for repair. I don't remember if it came back as 3.852 but I think it did and that one lasted about 2 / 3 weeks before I got an "E" with it.

Send this one off to repair and I remember it coming back with a new revision. It was working great until one morning I started my car, and let it warm up. I came back out from the house after a few mins, opened the door and all you could smell was the burning of electrical components. I went to grab the V1 and take it out of the car but it was to hot. But since I was in my flight suit I had my nomex gloves in my boot pocket so I was able to unhook the V1 and get it out of the car. It basically self destructed it's self. Nuked it's insides.

My last V1 was 3.861 and I was not impressed. It was getting eat alive by forward facing 34.7 so I finally sold it off and have been happy with the STi & 9500i.

As per this bogus corporate espionage, cp etc. Buying a belscort product is by no means putting any money into CP's pockets.
06-27-2007, 10:10 AM
EsseX

All of these "E" error posts still scare me because I know that I have one of the E Prone Versions. While My v1 seems to perform fine and has seen thousands of miles of road time. It still makes me wonder if my range is subpar since I have had no prior v1 experiances other than my own.
06-27-2007, 11:47 AM
Zurk

beltronics customer service is so bad its legendary but they still have decent units. my sti works fine and has never been in for service (over a year now i think)...
06-27-2007, 06:03 PM
Buford T. Justice

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsseX

All of these "E" error posts still scare me because I know that I have one of the E Prone Versions. While My v1 seems to perform fine and has seen thousands of miles of road time. It still makes me wonder if my range is subpar since I have had no prior v1 experiances other than my own.

Exactly.. you would never know its out of calibration until its too late!!

I don't mind seeing a lo cal. displayed on my screen once every three years. Means its time to send in for a tune up!!
06-28-2007, 12:58 AM
Phillip559

Quote:

Originally Posted by thestaton

My last V1 was 3.861 and I was not impressed. It was getting eat alive by forward facing 34.7 so I finally sold it off and have been happy with the STi & 9500i.

You must have had a bad unit. I pick up Stalkers from way off. One time I actually caught one from a few miles away.
06-28-2007, 06:29 AM
thestaton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip559

Quote:

Originally Posted by thestaton

My last V1 was 3.861 and I was not impressed. It was getting eat alive by forward facing 34.7 so I finally sold it off and have been happy with the STi & 9500i.

You must have had a bad unit. I pick up Stalkers from way off. One time I actually caught one from a few miles away.

I would say it was pretty good, look at the Mike B bench test thread. The 3.861 tested was mine...
06-28-2007, 06:40 AM
KnightHawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip559

Quote:

Originally Posted by thestaton

My last V1 was 3.861 and I was not impressed. It was getting eat alive by forward facing 34.7 so I finally sold it off and have been happy with the STi & 9500i.

You must have had a bad unit. I pick up Stalkers from way off. One time I actually caught one from a few miles away.

Have you compared it with the STi? My X50 rev 5 beat my V1 3.825 then in over the hill test but 9500i was in the bottom with 34.7. I have not tried it yet with the 3.826.

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