I'm thinking maybe a dual LPP? What's everyone elses oppions?
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I'm thinking maybe a dual LPP? What's everyone elses oppions?
get LPP dual front and back 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgesrt4driver
To the OP -
I'd assume that your vehicle is an SRT4? :)
In this case, a dual-head LPP, AL, or LI system will practically insure rear JFG performance.
For such a small vehicle, even a centralized single-head should offer "good enough" center-mass protection (although PTs will occur at the outer edges of the tail-lights). In this case, if-possible (remembering that tail-light tints/"smoking" can be frowned-upon or even illegal), "dressing" your tail-lights can help cut down on such PTs.
Still....
Honestly, if rear-enforcement is a worry, I'd do dual. IMveryHO, it's better to suffer the financial drain early, in-exchange for reliable protection, rather than suffer the consequences, later.
From the rear? That's what she said....
Sorry, I couldn't resist..... Seriously, though, 1 diode jammer head (AL, LPP) in the rear (or 2 of the LED jammers, Blinder, etc.) should suffice. Rear laser encounters are rare, depending where you live, but they can save your a$$ in a pinch.
Be careful about this, bruddah......Quote:
Originally Posted by twentyseventy
It seems that just about all of the true-independent hobbyist testing have pointed to the need for AT LEAST two laser-diode based heads as being required - even on a smaller/favorable profile vehicle - for effective "JFG" protection.
Center-mass/plate mounts of a single rear diode head, although proven effective for center-mass/plate shots, have typically seen rather disappointing PTs when, particularly, undressed tail-lights, or even the larger span of trunk/deck space of larger vehicles (and by this, I mean common "mid-size" family sedans) have been "panned" - either purposefully, or even just accidentally (i.e. unsteady shot).
For even larger vehicles - such as mid-size and up SUVs - or vehicles with a more unfavorable rear profile, there's been documented need of three, or even four, laser-diode based heads, in order to prevent even rather disappointing, "instataneous" PTs.
And I'd honestly totally forget about using LED-based jammers fort this scenario.
Rear protection is truly very difficult to achieve. :(
For one of the tests on my BMW we taped a LI head to the top of the trunk and it was able to jam the gun unless you aimed for the far ends of the tail lights.. So possibly 1 LI just below the license plate would be good, but to ensure full JTG I would put in 1. But assuming most cops will shoot the license plate 1 LI would be fine and give you time to slow down.
^ That's the problem - it's that little "unless" that's got me worried.
Don't get me wrong :) - I agree. The vast majority of such enforcement scenarios still focuses solely on rear center-mass or rear-plate, so such a single rear-diode setup *should* allow the individual to slow-to-reasonable/PSL.
However, given the decidedly insidious nature of rear-enforcement as well as the comparatively much less favorable vehicle/hardpoint profile from that aspect, I believe strongly in erring on the side of caution.
This is additionally complicated by the fact that "tactical disengagement" is harder to manage, when it comes to rear-enforcement scenarios. Tripping-off the brake-lights, as well as significant nose-dive of the vehicle are significant tells - the need to cruise-down/downshift-to-slow requires more time.
I know, I know. I'm rather pessimistic when it comes to this aspect of the game. :oops:
not without good reason though. rear jamming is a lot riskier IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
as you said there are a lot more tell tale signs that will give you away and the initial shot will be nearer than a frontal attack would be also.
i would think its a lot harder for a pig to notice that you are braking when he is shooting at your front end. no brake lights can be seen and he will be further away so it should be harder to see that you are slowing down if you do it right
Sorry to hijack this thread, but any opinions about this rear single LI head install? As inspired by another mini cooper owner's install, I just drilled into the license plate to mount the LI regular head. It's off center so I can access the hatch release button. Also, I have a dremeled thick black license plate frame ready when I get a working head back from Elvis. Notice the overhang of the chrome handle. I might have problems with a slim head. Maybe I could mount it along the bottom of the plate, but that would seem more visible.
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com.../IMG_05282.jpg
http://www.northamericanmotoring.com.../IMG_05293.jpg
On a vehicle that small, I'd think that you'd be fine as-is.
Dunno.... Any chance to test, with someone in your area?
I'm actualy thinking about just getting 2 quad LI setups one for the front, one for the rear just for ensured protection because JFG'ing seems to be difficult, whitch I still don't understand why because it seems like the farther away you are from the laser gun the better jamming preformance you get because the beem is bigger and it doesn't have to send out as many pulses as it does when its alot closer to the gun. Anyways, I'm thinking something like this for the rear of my SRT4.
http://i32.tinypic.com/2efid0z.jpg
Also, is it possible to some how change the way the alert sounds just so I know whitch LI is going off? Thanks everyone. :) [/img]
Your going to spend $2 grand on just laser jammers?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgesrt4driver
Like I said 1 LI tapped to the top of my trunk was enough to jam center of mass and plat shots but didnt protect the very edges of the lights...
So 1 LI on a small car right above the place should give near full jam for 95% of the back area.. 2 heads would give you 120% on a small car, and a 4 head system is just overkill.
I wouldnt mind spending that much on LJ's as long as I get the performance I want, and I'm going to be going on a long trip to wyoming, me being at the bottom of south carolina I'm going to pass through alot of different areas possibly some whitch laser atlantas are used :shock: so I want to feel protected. Moneys not really an issue for me like I said but if a quad LI for the back is over kill I guess just a quad in the front and dual in the back? Oh and what about the different tone for the 2nd LI is that possible?Quote:
Your going to spend $2 grand on just laser jammers?
Like I said 1 LI tapped to the top of my trunk was enough to jam center of mass and plat shots but didnt protect the very edges of the lights...
So 1 LI on a small car right above the place should give near full jam for 95% of the back area.. 2 heads would give you 120% on a small car, and a 4 head system is just overkill.
And I forgot to mention this in my last post, I was going to have one of those custom LJ installs where the heads go IN the car because theres no place to actualy just put the heads without 'making room'.
I agree - four on each aspect would be overkill.
If overkill is what you're going for, you'd be better served layering protection using different combinations of jammers.
As we've all recently seen, these items are not immune to malfunctions.....
Oh and andrewaz, may I ask what gun you used for your single head LI testing?
I'm still questioning if it's actualy overkilll or not I mean if you think of it one way, a quad LI setup for the front against a PL3 is way more than you need but what about a gun thats hard to jam and with JFG'ing whitch everyone says is hard to acheive on here?Quote:
Originally Posted by TSi+WRX
Yes, but what happens when you've just blown-past the trap?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgesrt4driver
You're starting off at a lower range - with a narrower beam.
:)
I see what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgesrt4driver
But think of it this way.
Obviously, you'll get excellent reception/coverage with the more heads you have - but that's only half the battle....the other half is actual jamming performance - and if the algorithm is less-than-optimal (remember what RaxerX observed, with the Stalker), then it doesn't matter how many heads you have.
Two heads is more than sufficient to cover the spatial area occupied by your vehicle's front and rear profiles (two heads on each aspect) - more is overkill, and I'm not sure it's "smart" overkill.
It would reason, to me, that if your budget is into the $2K+ territory, that you'd go with more layering, instead, and pair the LI with either a LPP or AL, or even a Blinder or ZR3.
This way, not only can you account for potential "holes" in the protective capabilities of each (ie. "synergy"), but you'll also have "built-in" backup, should one system, or the other, fail.
The only worries in this scenario would be eliciting jam-codes, and the potential for cross-talk.
oops just posted slightly after you did haha!
Anyways, so what your saying is just get different types of jammers for the rear? I was thinking that before, maybe a dual LI and all 3 ZR3 heads in the back? Do you think that would work pretty good? I know it wouldn't be as good as a dual LI and a dual LPP but it's just 2 LI heads preform better and cost alot less than 2 LPP heads ( I think around 800 right?) Moneys not a problem...but I still like to get the most out of my money!
Unless a dual LPP is TRULEY worth it I'd consider buying it..but is it? How well do you think a dual LPP with a single LI head would work for the rear?
Maybe even through a ZR3 in there too?? :D
^ Please see above. :)
Please see my above too^^^
haha :)
:) Ninja-edits FTW! :)
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No, no - actually, what I meant by "layering" is this -> to have more than one system for any "face" of the car.
For me, for example, it's ZR3, LI, and LPP up-front; ZR3 and LI rear (and I hope to upgrade to a dual LI out rear, too, in the very near future). Look at RacerX's setup on his truck for an even more elaborate/extreme example:
In any case, getting back to this idea of "layering" ->Quote:
Front:
Dual AL's
Dual LPP's
LE-10
2 Shifters (high and low inside at windshield), work great for scatter.
SR7
Rear:
Dual LPP's
3 shifters (inside back window, spaced)
SR7
This way, if one fails, you automatically have a back-up to switch to. Similarly, the weak-areas of one can often be "filled" by the other. It's synergistic.
Like I said, though, there remains worry of potential jam-code issues with this setup - and there furthermore are residual worries of cross-talk interference.
Hmm, I think I got it from here now :D Thanks for the help, my SRT4 will be well equiped in the next few months!
Glad to help - no need to thank me. :)
This is just how I view things - YMMV. :)
Before you commit to anything, I would urge you to search up the term "cross-talk" or "crosstalk" on this sub-Forum, and read through the pertinent posts so that you can clarify, to yourself, what such concerns are and how they may present as well as apply to you.