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Since most of you are way smarter than me. I'll let you guys chew on this stuff through the weekend.
Compare and contrast
08 BMW M3 vs 07 Audi RS4. I'm not sure I can put one over the other except for price. The M3 is selling at a premium right now and no used examples are on the market yet.
Or, on the practical side. And plain Audi S4 vs BMW 335 coupe
alright, talk amongst yourselves.
I like to spend money and upgrade my cars and for that reason i would choose a M3. Honestly its the only BMW i would buy. Im not familiar with the Audi at all so it could have better after market support then the BMW but im not going to bash it because i simply lack the knowledge.
I'd have to go with the Audi Erick... just because in my opinion I can't stand the look of the newer M3.
Maybe this vid will help ya... just ignore the Mercedes... haha. Plus.. once you go all wheel drive you never go back. har har
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQi1peqQOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5nzEax87lw
I think the 335i is the best out of all of these. Best engine, BMW handling, available with xDrive AWD...my favorite.
The RS4 would be my second choice. Still a great engine, legendary Quattro standard, very imposing looks though not as sleek as the 3. Weight distribution is dodgy, the engine is just waaay too far forward.
M3 is my next choice. Basically a 335 with a questionable engine and no AWD option, for more money. Lighter though, which is always good!
S4 is the last choice. It's not a bad car, but something about getting an S4 would always bother me...I'd always be thinking I'd only gotten halfway to the RS :lol:
Oh and I drove by a blue E92 M3 today. Interesting because I see tons on C63s and RS4s but I can't remember the last time I saw an E92 M3 (of course we have E46 M3s crawling all over the place like cockroaches).
Interesting thing...when you see 'em in person, the E92 M3 isn't really imposing like the E46 M3. It looks FAST, but it doesn't look like it's going to try to beat you up :lol:
I really don't get the same idea when I compare the regular E46 and E92 3 Series models.
JDS pretty much nailed it. I hope you do get the M3 as I suggested b4 :D
The M3 has a more serious look to it. Performance wise, I like how the M3 sounds high RPMs. Also, the M3 has a higher resale value than the RS4. I hope you don't join the Audio-Quattro team, lol...
i'd choose neither
M3
Wow i didnt realize they changed the look of the new M3's. Ive always been a fan of the older ones. (02-03 i believe)....
Ok, lets have it. What would you suggest?? I've done Japanese, American and Sweedish. I think it's time to see what the Germans got.Quote:
Originally Posted by KustomEagle
BTW: Something to consider. I'm a raggedy kind of guy. never shave, have un-kept hair stay drunk, smoke cigars all the time, and generally wear motorsports tshirts and flip flops as much as possible. So my current GF thinks the M3 might be a bit dressy for me. I'm not sure what dressy means but she thinks it's a misfit. She likes the rally sport vibe from the RS4 which I like too. She does like the MCoupe as well but I kind of iced on that ride because after some research the MCoupe carries the same Damacles motor as the E46 M3 did. er, or E-whatever motor. The puzzle that is BMWs relentless pursuit of perfection puzzles me as to which ones which. The one that had the spec-ed shaft bearings that was blowing engines. The ones that BMW didn't respec because the MCoupe doesn't have as high a rev limit as the M3.
Actually, I went out to the web during this post to check my facts but I'm drunk and once again it was a sea of E the E that, and I got confused and took a nap. Maybe I'm not smart enough to drive a German car.
This is definitely not true. I see soccer moms and trophy wives driving Bimmers all the time. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
On your topic of consideration, is a 911 out of the question? Just a thought.
911 is firmly on the table. Very firm. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Retaliation
To be honest, if you actually CARE about that kind of thing, Mercedes, BMW, and Audi are entirely wrong for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
Even a new Porsche is pushing it, but you could get away with it. Among the German cars, you really have two options...a VW R32 (which honestly needs a turbocharger to realize it's full potential, but then becomes, VERY literally, a miniature RS4...same AWD system, same engine placement, slightly smaller displacement, two fewer doors) or an air-cooled 911. If you want a German car and you care about it being "appropriate", you need a 993 or a 964 Turbo.
I still think you should have stuck with Starla. She was perfect for you.
The question is, are you willing to go with something other than a car you buy off the showroom floor and drive away as-is? What are you opinions on buying used vs buying new and then modifying...or for a Mk4 VW R32 (which honestly is a better car than the current Mk5), modifying a used car?
Starla was a good car but at 50k mile she was getting tired. Plus there was that "other" issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDS
I never buy new, always used. Between 5 and 25k depending on the condition. I liked the R32 but the lack of power was the killer. I don't mind modifying it but I need to explore other options first. Especially since my garage is now 35 miles south of my weekday home. I can't just pop the hood and mess with it during the week like I used to. Another thing is I'm not sure I like running two cars. It's twice the expense and honestly the Jeep ran almost as many maintenance bills as the corvette did. So it is cost effective to buy a moderate to high end performance car and rent when it goes in the shop. Not sure what "dressy" means?? The GF thinks the M3 is a suit and tie car and the 335 is especially that way. I kind of see what she means except I'm not sure she understands I don't drive a car for status as much as driving as fast as possible. Speed is the endGame. And I can't afford a Veyron. But if I could. Well we wouldn't be having this conversation.
One thing I will say, BMWs feel like BMWs forever. Doesn't matter if they have 10 miles or 100K miles. The same can probably be said about Porsche. Gas $ isn't an issue for me, but I don't drive 100+ mile round trips to work each day. I go on 175-200 mile stints on my favorite driving roads in CT every nice weekend. That's almost a full tank of 93 gone from hard driving for one day, an average of 16-17 mpg. Consider both the E9X M3, RS4, and S4 are tremendous gas guzzlers. You seem like you drive alot so is 15-18 hwy mpg acceptable for you? If not, the 335 might be your best choice, or maybe even a P-car. Regarding efficiency, I still can't figure out how GM can create the fire-breathing engines in their C6 cars while maintaining such great gas mileage, but BMW and Audi FAIL?
Please keep in mind that a 335i will probably spend quite a bit of time at the dealer for free maintenance and warranty work. More so than the other cars.
RS4 looks and sounds better than the M3 for the most part. Inside and out. The M3 is a screamer and a genuine sports coupe though.
I think both are great cars but the RS4 gets my nod. I think it's sexier, love AWD, 400HP, man I'd love to have one in my garage.
Getting "tired"? How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
Cops catching on to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
Yeah, pretty much everybody agrees that the R32 is pretty slow out of the box. I have a friend who got a Mk5 R32 and then gave it up for a Mk5 GTI just because it was too slow. But the 3.2 VR6 takes boost VERY well and pretty much every single turboed 3.2 is an absolute monster. Go on VWVortex.com and do some searches for threads about them, you'll probably be impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. I'd get the 335i and enjoy it. Just remember to give Dinan a call and have it reflashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
Well they do feel like BMW's but when the suspension bushings / other misc pieces there get wonky which they like to the car will drive you nuts with the shimmies :DQuote:
Originally Posted by PMoth
No doubt!!!;)
What Erick means is that he was tired of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDS
:D