JTW's Laser Tester--a useful tool and tailgating deterrent

Bit the bullet and got one of these. The shipping was prompt and it works. Chris refunded my $5 after the fact as a Radar Roy customer when I forwarded a copy of my receipt from before the tester purchase.

And now for the good stuff:
This is the best tool ever for getting 18-wheelers off your a$$ at 75 MPH.
They can't see in my vehicle as they are on top of me but the laser tester apparently triggers their detectors as they back off really quickly.

It's also great fun to wake up bimmer drivers as their V1s report the tester from behind. Haven't tried other left-lane denizens but my son couldn't stop the laughing as he saw the brake lights coming on.
There will be new radar reports when these get out....

I'd suggest annoying other detector users isn't a particularly good use of the tester...

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Originally Posted by Regis

I'd suggest annoying other detector users isn't a particularly good use of the tester...

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agreed, I can see the humor in it but again that is just a little childish to say the least.

Would you like to be messed with?

You guys need to lighten up a little.

Bushnell k band radar guns work better for the highway brake light test anyway.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You guys need to lighten up a little.

Bushnell k band radar guns work better for the highway brake light test anyway.

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It causes gas mileage decrease. Having to hit the brakes and then resuming back to the speed you were at. Gas prices are to high to be fooled with :lol:

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I'd suggest annoying other detector users isn't a particularly good use of the tester...

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agreed, I can see the humor in it but again that is just a little childish to say the least.

Would you like to be messed with?

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ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS...MAN YOU NEED TO LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE. Its just a bit of fun and I would do the same thing....hang on i do ;)

CHILLOUT

(Bill dons flame suit--I really have one)


1. Have no fear, it will only affect V1s and crappy Unidens from behind :) This was an impromptu test and probably reassured the drivers that their hardware worked for lidar. Besides, this was not done as a pounce from behind on high-speed drivers (it does not have the range). Rather it was done whilst my car was 1/2 sec off the other cars left rear quarter. Young son aimed for V1 red dot. During this time period, we all saw a dozen deer, so the braking was not an exceptional event.

2. I've used RDs for >30 years (anyone remember Rashid suppression?). My son is getting his permit and I need to educate him about the appropriate use of an RD and its limitations. I have mixed feelings about whether new drivers should have RDs (I did) as they provide for a false sense of immunity. OTOH provisional drivers are a primary target for some LEOs, and this will hit my wallet if my son is ticketed.

3. I regard its as a prudent tool against an 18 wheeler with a driver with perhaps 3 weeks on a CDL who is 1/2 second behind me bearing down on a 3-lane in which all 3 lanes are full of vehicles travelling at 75 MPH. Pushing by 18 wheelers is a real problem out East and there is no reasonable justification for it. IMHO being shot with a tester is the least of this a$$clown's worries.


I sincerely apologize if I have offended anybody. Furthermore, I apologize for any frivolously wasted carbon molecules burned as a result of my childish behavior. I strongly advise that any test of this nature not be performed from behind as it may prove quite risky.

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(Bill dons flame suit--I really have one)


1. Have no fear, it will only affect V1s and crappy Unidens from behind :) This was an impromptu test and probably reassured the drivers that their hardware worked for lidar. Besides, this was not done as a pounce from behind on high-speed drivers (it does not have the range). Rather it was done whilst my car was 1/2 sec off the other cars left rear quarter. Young son aimed for V1 red dot. During this time period, we all saw a dozen deer, so the braking was not an exceptional event.

2. I've used RDs for >30 years (anyone remember Rashid suppression?). My son is getting his permit and I need to educate him about the appropriate use of an RD and its limitations. I have mixed feelings about whether new drivers should have RDs (I did) as they provide for a false sense of immunity. OTOH provisional drivers are a primary target for some LEOs, and this will hit my wallet if my son is ticketed.

3. I regard its as a prudent tool against an 18 wheeler with a driver with perhaps 3 weeks on a CDL who is 1/2 second behind me bearing down on a 3-lane in which all 3 lanes are full of vehicles travelling at 75 MPH. Pushing by 18 wheelers is a real problem out East and there is no reasonable justification for it. IMHO being shot with a tester is the least of this a$$clown's worries.


I sincerely apologize if I have offended anybody. Furthermore, I apologize for any frivolously wasted carbon molecules burned as a result of my childish behavior. I strongly advise that any test of this nature not be performed from behind as it may prove quite risky.

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My post was a late night post, I did look at it and it was a little overboard. But you can view my reason to why I do not approve of it below my orginal post.....has a little humor in it. :D

I didn't think truckers used RD's because it is illegal for them to use them. Or, am I being naive?

umm naive ;)

RDs are illegal for truckers ... laser jammers are not except in states whey're they're banned to begin with.

I do agree with slowing down tailgating rigs, I think most speed limits could be higher for cars but an 18-wheeler speeding really is dangerous ... a trucker friend told me it takes 1/4 mile to come to a full stop at 65 mph. Picture a dragstrip ... that's 1/4 ... that's really really long to stop.

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Originally Posted by billgerr

I sincerely apologize if I have offended anybody. Furthermore, I apologize for any frivolously wasted carbon molecules burned as a result of my childish behavior. I strongly advise that any test of this nature not be performed from behind as it may prove quite risky.

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I don't think it was necessary for you to appologize at all. People on this board need to lighten up.

Well, I know if I were flying down the highway, had a laser alert, slammed the breaks and got that adrenaline rush, looked over and saw some wanker with a laser tester pointed at me laughing, I would not be a happy camper. In fact, I'd be liable to have a little bout of road rage, and I'm SURE I'm not the only one!

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

I don't think it was necessary for you to appologize at all. People on this board need to lighten up.

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I was thinking the same thing :twisted:

That's why truckers shouldn't tailgate... and drivers shouldn't cut in front of big rigs. They need plenty of room.

What kind of range does JTW's tester have? Would it trigger an average (non-V1) detector from 50-100 feet away when aimed out the back window of a car?

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Originally Posted by kpatz

That's why truckers shouldn't tailgate... and drivers shouldn't cut in front of big rigs. They need plenty of room.

What kind of range does JTW's tester have? Would it trigger an average (non-V1) detector from 50-100 feet away when aimed out the back window of a car?

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It all depends on the detector of course. Keep in mind that when I used a REAL laser gun to test the laser sensitivity of the top 3 only the V1 alerted to a headlight and license plate shot 100 feet away. The other detectors didn't alert.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

It all depends on the detector of course. Keep in mind that when I used a REAL laser gun to test the laser sensitivity of the top 3 only the V1 alerted to a headlight and license plate shot 100 feet away. The other detectors didn't alert.

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That's because LIDAR uses a narrow beam. A plate shot from 100 feet away doesn't leave a lot of scatter for a detector to pick up. Contrary to radar or LED based IR, LIDAR is easier to detect from longer distances as the beam spreads out. Assuming your tester uses a LED, it would emit a wider, albeit weaker, signal. That's why I was wondering what kind of detection range you've seen with your tester on a X50, or Bel or something other than the V1.

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It all depends on the detector of course. Keep in mind that when I used a REAL laser gun to test the laser sensitivity of the top 3 only the V1 alerted to a headlight and license plate shot 100 feet away. The other detectors didn't alert.

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That's because LIDAR uses a narrow beam. A plate shot from 100 feet away doesn't leave a lot of scatter for a detector to pick up. Contrary to radar or LED based IR, LIDAR is easier to detect from longer distances as the beam spreads out. Assuming your tester uses a LED, it would emit a wider, albeit weaker, signal. That's why I was wondering what kind of detection range you've seen with your tester on a X50, or Bel or something other than the V1.

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If you look at my testers light reflection off of the license plate in night vision the beam isn't that wide.

I've found that the best way to deter tailgating is to


GET OUT OF THE FRIGGIN' LEFT LANE

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Originally Posted by lordhamster

I've found that the best way to deter tailgating is to


GET OUT OF THE FRIGGIN' LEFT LANE

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Here here!!!!

And the middle lane and the right lane when it comes to pushing. When the left lane prohibition for commercial vehicles goes national, you guys will know what I mean. I get pushed in the right and middle lanes every day by trucks. This is when I have cars in front in all 3 lanes.

im buying one of these things lol sounds like fun u will be getting my order soon

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Originally Posted by Iknox

im buying one of these things lol sounds like fun u will be getting my order soon

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see you got your account back

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Originally Posted by Iknox

im buying one of these things lol sounds like fun u will be getting my order soon

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Don't buy a tester until September! I have a new special coming out for all the forum members :-)

Yea i got my account back :) ok JTW will do

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You guys need to lighten up a little.

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It's all fun and games for the guy screwing around with people right?

How about if you're on the recieveing end?

How about when billgerr's son sets off the laser alert for a V1 from behind, and he rear ends the guy, that's real funny too. And if someone gets injured, that is even more funny.

God I can't stop laughing at the thought of people dying, because others are playing around with cars as if they are toys.

I just don't understand how this is funny, or what there is to lighten up about. I wouldn't think it was funny if it happened to me. I suppose its funny as long as nothing bad happens, just like when kids play with guns, it's funny, until one of them kills their friend. But instead of seeing that in "hindsight" people don't realize the problem until someone dies, and then it is too late.

Setting off someones laser detector intentionally can be dangerous. Why risk it?

Perhaps someone can educate me, and perhaps JammerTests can be more mature and more responsible for the product he creates. You don't see gun makers telling people to lighten up when kids play with guns, do you?

People say the same crap about street racing, and people actually die doing it. You don't see Ford saying "lighten up people, a little Mustang street racing is ok".

Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Iknox

im buying one of these things lol sounds like fun u will be getting my order soon

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Don't buy a tester until September! I have a new special coming out for all the forum members :-)

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Probably a steath mode tester? :shock:

Ed

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Originally Posted by lordhamster

I've found that the best way to deter tailgating is to


GET OUT OF THE FRIGGIN' LEFT LANE

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Amen !

If an accident were to occur, it's evident to me that the person should not have had a radar detector, or for that matter, a driver's license. Arguments of this nature could just as easily be applied to bona-fide speed enfocement as well as cosmic/gamma ray interception. Pity the poor, unsuspecting Lexus driver whose cruise control initiates a pileup because an RD owner is out-of-control.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You guys need to lighten up a little.

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It's all fun and games for the guy screwing around with people right?

How about if you're on the recieveing end?

How about when billgerr's son sets off the laser alert for a V1 from behind, and he rear ends the guy, that's real funny too. And if someone gets injured, that is even more funny.

God I can't stop laughing at the thought of people dying, because others are playing around with cars as if they are toys.

I just don't understand how this is funny, or what there is to lighten up about. I wouldn't think it was funny if it happened to me. I suppose its funny as long as nothing bad happens, just like when kids play with guns, it's funny, until one of them kills their friend. But instead of seeing that in "hindsight" people don't realize the problem until someone dies, and then it is too late.

Setting off someones laser detector intentionally can be dangerous. Why risk it?

Perhaps someone can educate me, and perhaps JammerTests can be more mature and more responsible for the product he creates. You don't see gun makers telling people to lighten up when kids play with guns, do you?

People say the same crap about street racing, and people actually die doing it. You don't see Ford saying "lighten up people, a little Mustang street racing is ok".

Grow up.

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Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You guys need to lighten up a little.

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It's all fun and games for the guy screwing around with people right?

How about if you're on the recieveing end?

How about when billgerr's son sets off the laser alert for a V1 from behind, and he rear ends the guy, that's real funny too. And if someone gets injured, that is even more funny.

God I can't stop laughing at the thought of people dying, because others are playing around with cars as if they are toys.

I just don't understand how this is funny, or what there is to lighten up about. I wouldn't think it was funny if it happened to me. I suppose its funny as long as nothing bad happens, just like when kids play with guns, it's funny, until one of them kills their friend. But instead of seeing that in "hindsight" people don't realize the problem until someone dies, and then it is too late.

Setting off someones laser detector intentionally can be dangerous. Why risk it?

Perhaps someone can educate me, and perhaps JammerTests can be more mature and more responsible for the product he creates. You don't see gun makers telling people to lighten up when kids play with guns, do you?

People say the same crap about street racing, and people actually die doing it. You don't see Ford saying "lighten up people, a little Mustang street racing is ok".

Grow up.

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Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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What are you talking about its your fault for not buying them better brakes!!! JTW

oh buddy i hope i tag u with this laser tester lol plus i buy top end stuff that way i know i have enough time to brake safely I think on the driving test they test u on a quick stop and to pass this u look in your rear mirror and then break ect...

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oh buddy i hope i tag u with this laser tester lol plus i buy top end stuff that way i know i have enough time to brake safely I think on the driving test they test u on a quick stop and to pass this u look in your rear mirror and then break ect...

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Sure theoretically a good driver would look in the mirror prior to slamming the brakes... but come on.

Have you been on any road lately? The roads are filled with halfwits and morons, most of them cruising along in the left friggin' lane the same speed as the car to their right with a huge chain of cars behind them.

Do you really think these dunderheads will behave logically when their $4 radio shack detector screams laser @ them? I don't think so.

It may be funny to do, but still probly not a good idea to use this device as a toy.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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Now you've changed your angle of attack, instead of defending the proposition of your "laser tester" being used to set off radar detectors for enjoyment (which is an impossible task) , you attack me, saying people "should" be able to drive, and that you adding distractions to the roadway causes no harm, because people "should" be able to deal with them.


Let me take it one by one.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector.JTW

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Is that what I said? Re-read my statement, we'll find that I noted that it is a possibility, in other words, there is a chance it will happen. And it only needs to happen once. People win the lottery despite extreme odds, what are the odds of someone outbraking the person behind them when they see a laser alert? Probably not so good, but better than winning the lottery. Now if people bought your tester to set off peoples laser alert, suddenly those odds sky rocket. It only needs to happen once.

Then you make statements of which you know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.
JTW

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Actually I don't own a radar detector, so go ahead take mine away.

But my favorite part of your arguement is the logical fallcy people make most often, and perhaps the hardest to understand.

Imagine this scenario, lets pretend I own an gas guzzling Hummer, it pollutes a lot. So then I go out and speak out about littering, telling people not to litter. Someone in the crowd stands up and yells "How can you tell us not to litter while you drive that monster, that pollutes more than all of our litter combined!"

Now it could be true that my Hummer pollutes more than all their litter combined, but just because I have a Hummer doesn't mean I should litter. They are two seperate things.

In other words, just because I'm wasteful in one area of my life, doesn't mean I should be wasteful in all areas of my life, and certainly doesn't mean I have to be wasteful in all areas.

So the world is better place with no litter and my Hummer, than with litter and my Hummer. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against litter, whether or not I drive a Hummer.

Applying that logic to this arguement is simple, distractions cause accidents, that is fairly well established. A radar detector alert is a distraction.

Now you're laser tester causes a distraction, and while it accounts for a small percentage of distractions a radar detector will create, it doesn't mean we shouldn't reduce the amount of distractions by removing your laser tester.

So the world is a better place with no laser tester falses while still haveing normal false alarms, than with laser tester falses and normal false alarms. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against your laser tester, whether or not I speak out against other false alarms, or the use of radar detectors in general.

And now its time for you to give up, logically you have no arguement. You should condemn the use of your laser tester for setting off people's detectors, because it could cause hazardous conditions, regardless of all the other things that cause hazardous conditions, but I'm sure you can think up another logical fallacy to justify it.

Such is ignorance.

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Since I started this thread, allow me to pipe in. I agree with your conclusion and would not advise anybody to repeat this action as there may be unforeseen and undesirable consequences. Please note that my demonstration was performed under selected conditions as I was assuming risk after considering consequences.

Although I respect your opinion, I don't agree with the sequencing of your logic for a variety of reasons Owning and using a radar detector would function as an antecedent for any consequence caused by responding to its alarm. If one is speeding imprudently, this behavior provides another antecedent for a consequence. If one does not assess and assume the risk offered by the two conditionals, one shouldn't have the former or do the latter.

Perhaps we can also agree on the following: If you operate a radar detector and speed, you should consider the consequences of responding to an alarm as well as speeding, and modify your behavior accordingly.

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Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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Now you've changed your angle of attack, instead of defending the proposition of your "laser tester" being used to set off radar detectors for enjoyment (which is an impossible task) , you attack me, saying people "should" be able to drive, and that you adding distractions to the roadway causes no harm, because people "should" be able to deal with them.


Let me take it one by one.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector.JTW

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Is that what I said? Re-read my statement, we'll find that I noted that it is a possibility, in other words, there is a chance it will happen. And it only needs to happen once. People win the lottery despite extreme odds, what are the odds of someone outbraking the person behind them when they see a laser alert? Probably not so good, but better than winning the lottery. Now if people bought your tester to set off peoples laser alert, suddenly those odds sky rocket. It only needs to happen once.

Then you make statements of which you know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.
JTW

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Actually I don't own a radar detector, so go ahead take mine away.

But my favorite part of your arguement is the logical fallcy people make most often, and perhaps the hardest to understand.

Imagine this scenario, lets pretend I own an gas guzzling Hummer, it pollutes a lot. So then I go out and speak out about littering, telling people not to litter. Someone in the crowd stands up and yells "How can you tell us not to litter while you drive that monster, that pollutes more than all of our litter combined!"

Now it could be true that my Hummer pollutes more than all their litter combined, but just because I have a Hummer doesn't mean I should litter. They are two seperate things.

In other words, just because I'm wasteful in one area of my life, doesn't mean I should be wasteful in all areas of my life, and certainly doesn't mean I have to be wasteful in all areas.

So the world is better place with no litter and my Hummer, than with litter and my Hummer. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against litter, whether or not I drive a Hummer.

Applying that logic to this arguement is simple, distractions cause accidents, that is fairly well established. A radar detector alert is a distraction.

Now you're laser tester causes a distraction, and while it accounts for a small percentage of distractions a radar detector will create, it doesn't mean we shouldn't reduce the amount of distractions by removing your laser tester.

So the world is a better place with no laser tester falses while still haveing normal false alarms, than with laser tester falses and normal false alarms. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against your laser tester, whether or not I speak out against other false alarms, or the use of radar detectors in general.

And now its time for you to give up, logically you have no arguement. You should condemn the use of your laser tester for setting off people's detectors, because it could cause hazardous conditions, regardless of all the other things that cause hazardous conditions, but I'm sure you can think up another logical fallacy to justify it.

Such is ignorance.

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Actually, I'll submitt to that argument. Buy my tester to test radar detectors and laser jammers only.

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fallen8511:



Although I respect your opinion, I don't agree with the sequencing of your logic for a variety of reasons Owning and using a radar detector would function as an antecedent for any consequence caused by responding to its alarm. If one is speeding imprudently, this behavior provides another antecedent for a consequence. If one does not assess and assume the risk offered by the two conditionals, one shouldn't have the former or do the latter.

Perhaps we can also agree on the following: If you operate a radar detector and speed, you should consider the consequences of responding to an alarm as well as speeding, and modify your behavior accordingly.

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You're arguement is a bit flawed I think.

While I do agree that people shouldn't own radar detectors if they cannot deal with the distraction, and while I agree one should not speed imprudently, that is certainly no justification for going and setting off people's detectors.

In the first scenario I proposed, it was not the person owning the radar detector, who caused the accident, yet it was person who rear ended him (it is almost always the fault of the person in the rear car in that kind of accident). That person must not have been paying attention. Stuff happens. But without a laser tester and someone being a joker, it wouldn't have.

Lastly I agree you should consider the consequences of speeding and owning a radar detector, but you cannot control other drivers, and if you panic brake thinking you could avoid a laser ticket, the driver behind may not do the same. Thus without people going around setting of laser alerts, the chances of this scenario would be reduced.

Truthfully what I'm upset about the most is that I believe speeding tickets are beyond comprehension for a great variety of reason, and I believe in the right of citizens to own radar detectors as a way to help prevent unjust punishments from unjust laws. Then we have people running around purposely setting off detectors, helping what is an oppressive system. That just makes me mad.

STARTING: 09/02/2005: For every laser tester ordered I'll donate 50% of the money to Sethy up until he can buy that computer monitor for bigeasyguy.

This is a great way to indirectly donate money for a good cause guys. You'll get a great laser tester and at the same time you'll help a flood victim.

JTW