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Dear friends,
I just bought this M-20 unit last month... and now I am reading that it doesnt' even work correctly. I spoke to NY state troopers and they told me that they are useless against the new emerging technologies.
Should I just sell the unit and wait until something better comes out? Blinder most likely may not offer an upgrade for free... so it might be worth it to sell + rebuy later?
I seek your advice. Thanks :oops:
the NY troopers are lying to you... the Blinder M20 does ok against the LTI ultralyte and in the recent order for radar and lidar guns they only purchased more LTI's no Laser Atlantas. they also purchased POP capable radar guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by Immortal Cow
Call Leon...He said he is offering the upgraded Blinder in return for a The mis advertised M20s
I would take anything the police tell you about technology designed to make it more difficult for them to give you a ticket with a grain of salt, as their job is to freak you out in hopes that you stay within the speed limit or, even better, get rid of the jammer and speed anyway.
Well Blinder is an effective jammer, unless it's stealth mode. I believe BlinderDude offered to everyone on the board that owns an M20 that they can send it in for either an update or another unit that jams stealth mode when it becomes available since the current Blinder is advertised to jam stealth. If stealth mode is an issue for you, I suggest you just find out for sure from Blinder if you can gets yours upgraded. I'm not sure I would go as far as selling an effective jammer. You just have to decide if you want it upgraded and then decide if it's easier for you to sell it or send it in for update.
You really should talk to Blinder Dude first!!
Yes you should sell that useless thing to me for $5.00!! :wink:
Just kidding, if stealth mode is an issue in your area then I would talk with blinder dude.
If you want to participate in the blinder recall go to this thread for directions.
http://www.radardetector.net/Blinder...X%21-4891t.php
JTW
If you have a question or concern with your Blinder.
Please contact me @ sales@blinderxtreme.com or in person @ 1-866-622-7219.
Thank for all your help Chris, but he will not be able to help you with any recall.
This will be done through U.S Blinder.
:oops:
There's no "recall." All of this flap is about a gun that has less than 2% of the total market and probably less than .1 to .01 % of a particular operating mode.
If you guys want to call Leon out for this, fine - its been done now for months. But for 99.99% of the rest of the real laser that would be encountered, the Blinder remains a top rated jammer.
Why not ask Leon how many actual laser tickets he has had to pay? I believe it is zero.
For those who wish to remain committed to "punishing" Leon for [Blinder's DK] technical difficulties for something like will likely never be encountered in the real-world, you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
Have you ever heard of the 80/20 rule - try 99.99/.01 rule, in this case, is more like it. This whole issue is such a red herring... :wink:
BTW, I give JTW full marks for being the first to figure out that there was some sort of problem!!!
Veil Guy 8)
Bob, where are you getting these numbers? Do you have the URL to a public record on Laser Atlanta's profit/loss statement that's available on the web like LTI 3 years ago? Back in the day Blinder was rumored all over the board that it didn't produce jamming codes and it jammed at all distances. Since then the members of this board have proven those statements false. Just want to know where you're getting your facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
JTW
With respect to the stealth mode commentary, please refer to:
http://www.radardetector.net//viewto...t=984&start=32
Veil Guy 8)
...And:
Quote from Speed Measurement Labs Site July '05:
"We used the three most popular police laser guns, i.e. LTI Ultralyte LR 200, Stalker LZ-1, and Kustom Signals Pro Laser III, during this year’s test. These three guns account for 97% of all laser guns sold in north America."
Reference site: www.speedzones.com
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Quote from Radartest.com Site July '05:
"But we wouldn’t advise getting too worked up about Stealth Mode. Most officers don’t even know it exists and of the few who do, most don’t bother to use it. (If every third car packed a laser jammer, this attitude may change. At present, lidar jamming to every officer we know is strictly a non-issue.) More important, Laser Atlanta sells precious few police lasers, accounting for a miniscule percentage of both the U.S. and international markets."
Reference site: www.radartest.com
...And I believe, stealth mode is an optional [software] - for additional cost - component that needs to be order specifically. IOW, LA guns don't even come standard with the capability.
Veil Guy 8)
and look at it like this as well. when your out driving today and at a redlight look around for just cars with radardetectors. 1 out of 25 is a guess I'll use. next look closer how many of them have them mounted correctly? what percentage do you see who have a V1 or rx-65, x50? I would consider these people to be in the know atleast a little to purchase a top 3 detector.
bring those numbers into the laser jamming world. go to walmart today and look at the grill of every car hell do it all week. you might find 1 car that has a jammer. then look is it mounted correctly?
what I'm getting at is why would a cop be worried about laser jamming when its a rare hobby to start with? why would he care to even look up stealth mode, when now its proven to get readings slower.
sure if 75% of america belonged to this forum and we had 35 million registered users posting and Roy's house made Bill Gates crib look like a trailer park the Leo's would be all about getting some stealth mode. but is this the case * sorry Roy * but no. thanks to shows like Myth Busters they will continue to think they are invincible. and that's all fine and dandy with me!
I love my blinder and drive worry free for all I have to fear is Pro Laser III :)
Oh, so where does SML get their figures? Is this the same SML that said the V1 couldn't detect KA POP and the Blinder could jam stealth mode :roll: SML has no credibility left.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Veil Guy
Stealth mode comes standard on the guns. If you don't believe me call up laser atlanta. Their whole marketing campaign is based off of stealth mode. As for Craig Peterson I believe he even said Blinder jams stealth mode...there goes his credibility too.
Give me some real evidence from the actual company that sells the guns. I can make up some figures too if I wanted.
JTW
I suppose you'd play down a radar detector that didn't have X band detection too. X band is rare when considering the entire nation radar arsenals, however it is a threat in certain areas. Florida has a ton of Laser Atlanta's.Quote:
Originally Posted by thestaton
The whole issue of xband is totally not relevant on this issue at all. Xband came out in 1970 and YES if a radar detector was shipped without it then sure i'd be mad as hell.
Xband is everywhere and could be dug up from anywhere.
laser atlanta stealth mode is 1% or less.
dont compare apples to oranges!
JTW,
I certainly wouldn't. In fact, I was pleased to see the GoL test/report on all bands including X.
While NJ is beginning to replace their older K-55s (X-band) there is still a ton of lethal X in NJ. So for drivers in that state, it is very important!
In my home state of PA, instant-on K rules the day. I have yet to come across Ka in PA.
And yet not even reported in a recent detector shoot-out.
I wouldn't discount the entire population of NJ/PA along with the countless other states that use K heavily.
Personally, it would be interesting to see stealth mode and LA improve their market share signficantly. Their gun has great long-distance capability and their original R mode was built like a tank.
As we have seen, VEIL does especially well with that mode! :lol:
In so far as where these guys get their numbers? That question should probably be directed to them. If you find out something, I would like to hear about it. :wink:
Veil Guy 8)
Once Lidatek offers their stealth mode upgrade i guarantee i personally will fight for Laser atlanta lidar guns and personally teach officers how to activate stealth mode :lol: VEIL with a jammer against LA steath is a definite JTG
I can care less if it was made in the 1970's. It's whats being used that matters. Half of Florida's lidar arsenal is composed of laser atlanta's. YOu can see this on state bid contracts(public domain.)Quote:
Originally Posted by thestaton
How do you know Laser Atlanta accounts for 1% or less of the lidar guns in the USA? Did you get this info from SML, the same organization that said the V1 doesn't detect KA band POP and the same organization that said Blinder beat stealth LOL! You're trying to downplay the laser atlanta, with hersay facts. SML and Craig peterson have no freaking clue how many guns there are unless they look at confidential paperwork from all the lidar companies to see how many guns have been sold in the past 5 years. You think companies just give this information up to radar detector testers? LOL. Give me a break. The rumored fact 6 months ago was the blinder didn't produce jamming codes and it didn't have punch through. Those rumors were put to rest. Now we have this LA stealth being 1% of the market share rumor. If someone can come up with some real data to prove your statement I will bow down to you.
Stealth mode does not come with every gun.
It is an up-grade.
We have one S and two R's none came with stealth.
Two guns were sent back for stealth.
It was a $585 up-grade.
My new S is 3 months old.
I live in Fl. it's the ProIII and LTI. I have never seen the L/A being used.
Don't know what to tell ya.
Okay, go to Laser Atlanta's page and it talks about Stealth mode at the bottom. On the right column it lists "options and accessories." Stealth mode is NOT listed as an option, but bluetooth and accident reconstruction software is. When I purchased my Speed Laser S I didn't pay any upgrade feature. Stealth was standard. Read more at LA's site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder Dude
http://www.laseratlanta.com/files/br...20Facsheet.pdf
JTW
Just to follow-up, I checked with LA and they did indicate that their guns come standard with stealth-mode.
However, I know there have been guns that have been sold that have not had the mode.
So, it's yet another mystery.
Veil Guy 8)
After all we have seen recently there is a new Sheriff in town... GOL is it. SML has no credibility left with me. I will read it for pure entertainment at this point, but I will not base any of my buying decisions from here on out by anything that SML says unless it is backed up by independent testing. SML has so much egg on their face at this point it looks like they were caught in a tornado at a chicken farm...
As for the orginal question regarding selling your Blinder... Call Blinder Dude and get your name on the list for the recall/fix. Then once the testing is done on the fixed Blinders then make a decision regarding keeping your Blinder. At least then you will have the information needed to make a good decision. If the fixed unit is good you will have a good jammer and problem is solved.
Longsnowsm
Blinder is not useless. I have it in my heart to forgive them for misleading them and i believe that you all do to. Give Torbin and Leon a 2ns chance and they will make us all happy