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So lets say a cop is shooting his laser gun at cars getting quick reads on all of them, then he comes across a certain car....aims, fires, and nothing. He keeps the laser pointed at the car trying both headlights and then the licence plate....still, nothing. Can this cop pull over this car for having probable cause that the driver is using an illegal laser jammer?
Laser jammers are not illegal here so they can't write you a ticket for it. But some a$$hole cops know that you have it and try to make an issue of it and "attempt" to write you a ticket for speeding anyway. I just beat two of these in court.
I think you've got to consider the logic of turning off the jamming device so the peace officer can get a reading (after you've checked your speed, of course) and think little or nothing of the incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by FortyTillFive
Sure, peace officers are going to get up to speed sooner or later on jammers and jamming. It doesn't take a brain surgeon ;)
That is the problem, he might get pissed off and take a reading from another car, how can you prove that?Quote:
Originally Posted by oahuyahoo
even if it's legal, they can still charge you with interference with police duties
this is why with laser jammers its best to jam if you are speeding for aas little as possible, slow down to the PSL and then shut them off
OK, this works with jammers, but is there a way to turn of blinders? Certainly not Veil.
Blinders are Jammers and Veil will not Jam the gun..just make it slightly harder to get a readingQuote:
Originally Posted by FortyTillFive
I heard something about jammers being a "secondary offense". I guess this means that an officer cannot pull you over for having laser jammers, but if he suspects you do and follows you waiting for you to do something wrong and gets you for rolling through a stop sign for example then he can get you for the jammers. I think that's how it works... Not 100% sure.
Thats the case for IL, and if/when they do find them, it's a $50 fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zapple
They can try...The law regarding interference with police duties is so vaguely described that they can arrest you if they were walking down the street on patrol and you didn't move aside to let them continue walking in a straight line.Quote:
Originally Posted by speed-demon
I've been pulled over for having a jammer before. The officer thought they were illegal until I challenged it.
The best way to fight a ticket is to take the time to learn the laws regarding the use of a vehicle on public roads, laser jammers, speeding, jay walking etc..There are ALOT of laws out there. Cops don't know every single law just as you don't. Sometimes they think they know something and will pull you over for it then during the process of researching the law find out there is none then just use that opportunity to hassle another ticket out of you.
Some cops will admit they were wrong and appologize for your time and let you be.
In my instance I had an officer pull me over because I had a jammer. First thing he said was "you know those are illegal right?" and I said no they're not. Then we argued a little bit. Then he ended up calling home base and checking up on it. Then once he came back it was no longer the jammer he was concerned about. It was everything else about my bike he could try to find to write me a ticket.
Here's how I see it....A jammer when used properly will protect you from tickets. If you like to leave yours on all the time. You're gonna bring attention to yourself. Make sure you know your laws. You don't want to be pulled for having a jammer and then get a ticket for having open alcoholic beverages in your front cab or hid retrofitted lights which are not DOT approved or have your car floating an inch and a half off of the ground...Chances are the officer wasn't suspsecting these things when he pulled you over, but now he has an reason to look for these things because you trumped him on his original ticket.
I took the time to learn the laws regarding everything about my bike, me and the public roads I drive on. I always enjoy it when officers pull me over for anything really...Jamming, speeding etc...Pull me over, i'd love to chat :)
Also having a hidden recording device always helps too. It's is an officers primary responsibility to serve and protect. Unless you get aggressive first, there is no excuse for an officer to get in your face, even if you were speeding, jamming etc..I have had officers demeanor change once they realized I was recording the incident. It helps to keep their butts in check too.
thats all rebince 50 dollars here in IL for police finding you laser jammer. Man they should just make it legal in IL then. THat is nothing I taught it would me more.Quote:
Originally Posted by REBinc
It is easy for a cop to pull you over and give you a ticket for visual estimate also he could fibb and say he verified it with his lidar gun. Remember a cop could also be untruthful in court and then it's your word against theirs in the American justice system the integrity of the court relies on police testimony. That is why it is prudent for all jammer users to not JTG and instead turn it off once down to speed.
I wonder how many jammer violations they get every year?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadWarrior86
This is strictly scuttlebutt testimony but HPDJim believes as most HPD does that jammers are usually only found on very expensive sportscars and superbikes. So they don't usually look anywhere else if at all. Since HPDJim said. "They also don't work at all"
It's also HPDJims belief that all of my jams caught on vid are probably more a combination of vehicle type and operator error than any active countermeasure.
I love LEOs like HPDJim! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
I always love to laugh at the ignorant police officers that think their radar and LIDAR guns are completely infallible.Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
But I just once want to JTG a LEO to see the look on his face :)
I don't. I just want them to leave me alone and I'm happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSalad
Depends on your State. In California you only need a REASONABLE SUSPICION to pull someone over. I.E. you can have a front license plate mounted on the front of your vehicle, but if it's dark out and the cop JUST DID NOT see it, or if you're an out of state visitor with no front plate, the officer can pull you over and detain you until he realizes the original reason for the stop has been resolved, unless before he realizes the reason for the stop is resolved, he finds something else out of order, such as the smell of alcohol on your breath, a warrant comes back from dispatch before the original reason for the stop is resolved, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by FortyTillFive
In any event, not getting a reading on laser MAY be reasonable suspicion to pull you over for having a jammer.
However, a jammer is a Class 1A Division 12 infraction, and should only carry an equipment violation fix-it ticket with 0 points on your license.
so do I but he's about to retire. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80
Yes an officer can pull you over for anything really. They can say you were doing this and that.
This is why I recommend having video surveillance running in your vehicle/bike.
Before I got my jammer, I was on the freeway, a R1 blew right by me, I took chase and around the bend the R1 floored it. Leo tagged him and he fled like the bike was stolen. Officer pulled me over because I slowed down. 5 seconds had gone by he flagged me to pull over...
Said I was doing 107mph @ 338 feet. I argued with him saying he didn't tag m and that he tagged the r1.
He said it was me blah blah blah.
Took it to court. Played back the video and you can see the run gunning it. I'm coming around the bend going and the officer flags me over.
He even told the judge he was sure I was the right bike. Once the video played and he saw the R1 go around the corner, then gun it. I come around the corner and the officer is running to his bike, his laser isn't even on me when my bike comes into his field of view. he just looks at me and flags me down. He looked at the officer with this look like "The video says otherwise but are you sure you got the right person?" LOL...
The Prosecutor had a dumbfounded look on his face like he was curious to see what the officer would say.
The cop still said yes. After determining it would not have been probable for me to be going 107mph 338 feet away, and pulling over to his location about 6 seconds later the judge said something like "Based on the video either the lidar device reported an incorrect reading, or you made an error in judgment when determining the vehicle in question." Then asked the officer and the prosecutor if they wanted to challenge the video.
They said no then he said I'm surprised you even bothered to flag this bike down when you clearly saw the other bike trying to run from you but based on what the video presented, This case is dismissed with prejudice".
Then the judge asked if he could have the clerk make a copy of the video and wanted to have a word with the prosecutor and officer.
LOL!
NICE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkflame
See, if this was me I would have his ass on the streets with no job. This is the type of officer that puts inocent civilians in predicements that they did not commit which pisses me off. Thats when you don't want to mess with me in court or anything else, when Im pissed off. I made this officer look so dumb, I had people actually laughing in the court room. He wrote me a very invalid ticket, I had a total stranger witness backing me up and he still wrote the ticket. I was respectful and said to myself that he'll see in court. Went to court and he looked like a liar and a total dumb ass. I guarantee that next person that comes in their with a speeding ticket or such from this officer and says honestly I don't think I was speeding she (the judge) would dismiss it right then and their.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkflame
When Im pissed, I get very motivated and start gathering evidence and reasearching everything, it makes for a much stronger case. I have found one of the most useful things to do is get a notepad and think of all the things that he could say that would hurt your or question you and have an answer for it. Get other people to think with you too, and rememberize all of them and it can be very helpful.
You could have gotten money even on that case, since you 100% undeniable proof, no way he would win. He obviously lied and that is a undeniable case of obstruction of justice.
So far DJ is the only one that I know of so far that has as much follow-thru, dedication, and the want to beat the ticket as much as I do in a court room. Suf, is just insane too, but he knows everything and is so smart at that kind of stuff that he knows it like the back of his hand and doesn't need to reasearch like many people have to do!
A cop can lose his job for that here and it is not that hard to prove. I just had a case where a LEO claimed to have shot me from xxx amount of feet and there was no way for him to get that shot because that distance put me behind a guardrail on a curve out of his line of sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by focalcivic
haha idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by oahuyahoo