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I just want to get basic 101 down before deciding to purchase one.
I like to know how the jammers work to defeat laser beams.
Do the jammers send back beam of light back to the laser gun to confuse the laser gun or does it burst out a shield of light in front of the vehical to block off laser beam that is being shot at your vehicle?
This is an oversimplification but think of it this way.
If your walking towards me and I'm throwing tennis balls at you and catching them as they bounce back. I can measure the time and distance and deduce your speed. If you throw your own tennis balls at me and I'm trying to catch your tennis balls too then I can't determine your speed so I've been jammed.
Also, there may reach a point I can catch my own tennis balls faster than you can throw your own so at that point I can determine your speed and you've had a Punch Thru.
Thank you for the easy explanation. So, laser jammer is indeed transmitting IR light back to laser gun. Is this why the jammer head placement is most important?Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
Yes. it will still work if it's off level but not as well and you need to "throw those tennis balls" as effectively as possible. BTW: There are some very complicated wrinkles in jamming but I'll let other more knowledgeable members than me chime in with those detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by jinkazama
I think I heard RR say a 50 watt light is being shined at you and you are shinning a 250 light back at them. You flood out their light.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinkazama
This is highly generalized, and there are exceptions to some of this. But here it is:
Laser guns calculate a speed by sending out a series of pulses. Each pulse reflects off the target vehicle and back to the gun, and by measuring the "time of flight" of the pulse, the gun can obtain a distance reading. By taking a series of distance measurements over time, a speed reading can be calculated and displayed.
Laser jammers work by first receiving pulses from the gun, and then timing the jamming pulses in such a way that the jamming pulses are accepted by the gun as it's own reflected pulses.
There is a very narrow time window to get a jamming pulse to the gun when it will be accepted and used for speed calculation. The laser guns are "gated", and they'll only accept a pulse and use it for speed calculations when they're expecting to receive a pulse. The guns are smart enough to know that each time they send out one pulse, they should only receive one pulse back. Thus, the gun is only expecting to receive a pulse from the time it sends out a pulse, but before it receives the reflected pulse back. Once the gun receives it's reflected pulse back, it isn't expecting a pulse until it sends out another pulse, etc. Jamming pulses must be received in this narrow time window, in order to have any effect on speed calculation. Pulses received outside of the time window are basically ignored, not used for speed calculation by the gun, and thus no jamming effect.
For example, a Kustom ProLaser III sends out 200 pulses per second, or one pulse every 5000 microseconds. At 1000 feet, the "time of flight" of the gun's pulse is around 2 microseconds (2000 nanoseconds, about 1 foot per nanosecond for total travel of 2000 feet). So, any jamming pulses must be received by the gun in that 2 microsecond window. If a jamming pulse reaches the gun during the next 4998 microseconds, it has no effect at all and is essentially ignored by the gun. Then, the cycle repeats for the next pulse.
To get jamming pulses into this time window, the jammer first receives a few of the gun's pulses, with which it can calculate the pulse rate and thus "predict" when the next pulse will be received. Then, it can send a jamming pulse (or series of pulses) a number of nanoseconds before it expects to receive the next pulse from the gun. The jamming pulse makes it back to the gun before the gun's own reflected pulse, and is accepted by the gun as it's own reflected pulse, is used for speed calculation.
Once the time window is calculated, the jammers might use a variety of techniques against different guns. Jammers recognise individual guns based on the pulse rate, this is called using a "look up table". With a look up table, jamming can be customized for the specific laser guns. This is done so that pulse timing can be custom-tailored for each laser gun for optimal jamming, and avoiding jam codes. For example, perhaps the most obvious application is that each jamming pulse might have random delays, so that the gun receives several different distance measurements that do not coincide with any consistent speed, so no speed is displayed. Another example is that the jammer can "fake" error conditions that can occur in normal targeting situations, causing operational error codes to be displayed on the gun which aren't associated with jamming. In addition to a "look up table", some jammers use a default algorithm to attempt to jam unrecognised guns. Not all jammers use a default algorithm.
There was an older jamming technique, used by the Lidatek LE-10 and Target LE-850. These units do not precisely time their pulses like todays jammers do. These jammers send pulses at a very high frequency of 4 MHz (yeah I know the patent says 2 but I was told 4 by the Lidatek engineer). This means that there is a jamming pulse every 250 nanoseconds. Since light travels at roughly 1 foot per nanosecond, this means that at least one jamming pulse would make it into every time window and be accepted by the gun, as long as the vehicle is more than 125 feet away from the gun. Once the target vehicle is closer to the gun, say 100 feet, the time window would be only 200ns, and since jamming pulses are sent out every 250ns, they might miss the time window so some pulses wouldn't get jammed. This scheme should successfully jam most guns. But, there are some drawbacks. This scheme will definitely cause jam codes on the guns. And, the laser diodes are not rated to operate at 4 MHz, but the developers found that they could operate at this frequency for a very short time without burning up the diodes. So, jamming is only possible for a short period of time, generally a number of seconds. After that, the laser diode must cool before it can jam again.
Jamming every single pulse from the gun isn't always necessary, it only needs to jam enough pulses to prevent a speed reading. Although in theory a speed could be calculated with only two distance measurements, in order to be truly accurate the gun needs a number of consistent pulses to display a speed, generally 50+.
Jim
The complicated wrinkles :D
So you know. When The Professor posts ^ it should be copied and pasted in a word doc and stored in your "library" or "documents" folder for constant study.
Jimbonzzz,
how can a jammer jam with a default or generic algorithm? since every gun is different and has different pulse rates.
Wouldn't it just match the first pulse??Quote:
Originally Posted by speed-demon
yeah, but how it matches it if it's not recognized on the look-up table?Quote:
Originally Posted by erickonphoenix
I am trying to see the operational difference between LED types and diode types...
Even if a gun is unknown, the jammer can still time between a few of the guns pulses, calculate the time window, and attempt to jam the gun by sending pulses in the time window, which the gun should accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by speed-demon
But since the gun is unknown, the jammer won't be optimized for jamming it, so in some cases a default algorithm could be very effective, while not so effective in other cases.
Thanks for the quick reply :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbonzzz
Do LED type jammers use a look-up table like diode type?
How important is absolute 90 degrees angle of the sensor heads? Is 89 degrees or 91 degrees acceptable and jam just as affective as the 90 degrees angled sensors?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbonzzz
When car is moving through uneven pavements, I would think even perfectly installed sensor will be off axis thus not being at true 90 degrees angle.
The energy coming from the heads is similar to light from a flashlight. If someone shines a flashlight directly in your face, it appears very bright. If they aim it a few degrees over your head, it will still be bright, just not as bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinkazama
I'm not certain of the angle effectiveness; I'm sure it depends on the emitter. I've had several jams of guns above me on overpasses, so these were shots that were not straight on to begin with, but as I got closer, the LEO was likely able to determine my speed as the angle increased.
I think the main reason to mount them as close to 90 degrees is to cover the spread - those overpass shots and shots when you cover over a hill and the gun is below you.
The only core difference between LED and LD jammers would be the driving circuit for the LEDs / LDQuote:
Originally Posted by speed-demon
I'd doubt it, then if it's true, how can you explain the Blinder J15 jamming the TS?Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmadr
Not sure what you're asking here. The Blinder barely jams the TruSpeed at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by speed-demon