Atlanta Jammerfest 2 Results

Hey guys,

This past Saturday several forum members from Georgia met up and did some real world laser testing. This is different than our first test which can be found here . In this batch of testing we choose a very hard course to push our jammers to the limits. Big Thanks to Category4 for finding the venue and loaing his PL3 & LA for use. Also thanks goes to Stealth-Stalker for driving up and letting use use his ultralyte & Stalker LZ1. Also thank Jaykog for putting the results in a beautiful spreadsheet. Here are the results
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By rsatmans

very nice...how was the zr4 modified "modified"?

I will let MEM-TEK tell you about the Modified zr4. :cool:

paging MEM-TEK

I would love to have a better explanation of "Extreme Front" and also would love to see pictures of each installation

Thanks for the testing, over all it looks like everyone is safe with their systems

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

I would love to have a better explanation of "Extreme Front" and also would love to see pictures of each installation

Thanks for the testing, over all it looks like everyone is safe with their systems

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I was the shooter the format of the test was for example Laser Atlanta we would run a baseline, Center Mass, Drivers side Head Light, Then Extreme, with rears in between. Extreme means that after i shot the cars Baseline, CM, and Headlights I had a pretty good idea of each set ups weak spots so that is where i would aim. Example are roof line, side view mirrors, bottom corner of bumper.

We took pictures of everyone's setup and they will be posted soon :cool:

On a side note can anyone figure out why i had JTG & JFG on the LA,Stalker, and PL3 but the Ultralyte ate me for breakfest? Pictures of my setup can be found on the old results page.

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I was the shooter the format of the test was for example Laser Atlanta we would run a baseline, Center Mass, Drivers side Head Light, Then Extreme, with rears in between. Extreme means that after i shot the cars Baseline, CM, and Headlights I had a pretty good idea of each set ups weak spots so that is where i would aim. Example are roof line, side view mirrors, bottom corner of bumper.

We took pictures of everyone's setup and they will be posted soon :cool:

On a side note can anyone figure out why i had JTG & JFG on the LA,Stalker, and PL3 but the Ultralyte ate me for breakfest? Pictures of my setup can be found on the old results page.

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I was thinking the same thing, also didn't Cat's Corvette have a problem with the UL too?

Clarify this for me under number section? is that number of each run for each car?

The Ultralyte beam is pretty tight, and if you hold it steady enough, it can get pretty good PTs.

At least that's my theory :)

Are all the LI 7.06, except for one being 7.05?

Here's a video of the test site we used. The area we used starts at 1:30 through about 2:00.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18B5CnIj4r8]YouTube - Test Site[/ame]

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Originally Posted by focalcivic

I was thinking the same thing, also didn't Cat's Corvette have a problem with the UL too?

Clarify this for me under number section? is that number of each run for each car?

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Number section is the amount of laser heads. For instance a value of 4 means 4 heads on the front a value of 2/1 is 2 on front 1 in the back.

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Originally Posted by speed-demon

Are all the LI 7.06, except for one being 7.05?

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I cannot say for certain but all should have been 7.04-7.06. I will find out :cool:

rsat...

Your LI heads on the front might be mounted too high!--

I know for sure your rear heads are mounted wide enough

ALSO on the results your car says 4 heads were upfront? I thought you had 2 in the rear and 2 in the front?

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

rsat...

Your LI heads on the front might be mounted too high!--

I know for sure your rear heads are mounted wide enough

ALSO on the results your car says 4 heads were upfront? I thought you had 2 in the rear and 2 in the front?

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I wanted to mount one step lower in my grill but could not make it work. I know for sure on the extreme PT's under 400 ft i was aiming for the lowest part of my front bumper. But i was also doing this with the other guns and got JTG.

I understand about the rear PT i think if they were spaced out further it would have been JFG on Ultralyte

I fixed the second part you are correct 2 on front 2 on rear. That should be fixed now.

I wonder if another LI head mounted Low would work?

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Originally Posted by category4

Here's a video of the test site we used. The area we used starts at 1:30 through about 2:00.

YouTube - Test Site

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Wow that would be a great radar testing site. Especially around 1:20 where that 90 degree curve and upward hill is, that be great.

Nice selection of testing grounds for laser too, perfect for laser as its very real world and the fact that its not straight all the time.

The LI did very well from what I can see.

* Note to self: don't buy a car with fog lights.

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I wanted to mount one step lower in my grill but could not make it work. I know for sure on the extreme PT's under 400 ft i was aiming for the lowest part of my front bumper. But i was also doing this with the other guns and got JTG.

I understand about the rear PT i think if they were spaced out further it would have been JFG on Ultralyte

I fixed the second part you are correct 2 on front 2 on rear. That should be fixed now.

I wonder if another LI head mounted Low would work?

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But then you would need another control box....

From the picture it looks like your heads aren't 100% forward
You want to be 100% JTG for a decent price get a laser mask two head and put each head next to foglight

Here is in-car video of a run up and down the test course, complete with the soundtrack of enforcement hell.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crFl5i9HiNM]YouTube - Georgia Jammerfest 2009 Test Course[/ame]

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Originally Posted by bradthemad

Here is in-car video of a run up and down the test course, complete with the soundtrack of enforcement hell.

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You uninstall the Blinder M20?

I would of kept that on if it was me:cool:

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Originally Posted by bradthemad

Here is in-car video of a run up and down the test course, complete with the soundtrack of enforcement hell.

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Do you have an external speaker for your LI?

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

But then you would need another control box....

From the picture it looks like your heads aren't 100% forward
You want to be 100% JTG for a decent price get a laser mask two head and put each head next to foglight

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CrazyVolvoRob I appreciate the help and experence :cool:

Picture is deceiving they are straight and level grill is curved which makes heads appear to be turned out/in from different angles.

Yeah still does not make since that I got JTG with Laser Atlanta, Stalker, and PL3 but got massive PT with ultralyte.

I guess a lasermask in the corners is a option. Just don't know if adding another kind of jammer would generate crosstalk issues. I could always go 9500ci and throw the zr4 in the corners i guess.

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

You uninstall the Blinder M20?

I would of kept that on if it was me:cool:

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Funny, I was just thinking the same thing...

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Originally Posted by speed-demon

Do you have an external speaker for your LI?

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I have external speakers for everything, LI included.

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I guess a lasermask in the corners is a option. Just don't know if adding another kind of jammer would generate crosstalk issues. I could always go 9500ci and throw the zr4 in the corners i guess.

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I would of suggested the 9500ci but that is a big expense...

Also looking at the results the Laser Mask got at your last testing event I feel its very underated for the amount of money you'll spend on it:)

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Originally Posted by bradthemad

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing...

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Forget to turn on the Blinder M20 for that run or did you uninstall it?

The corvette doesn't have his system setup properly. I can jam an ultralyte
all day long coming and going.

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

Forget to turn on the Blinder M20 for that run or did you uninstall it?

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The last test was such a JTG-yuckfest with just the LI running, I figured the Blinders were completely superfluous and removed the whole system. Still have it, though.

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Originally Posted by YTCD

Wow that would be a great radar testing site. Especially around 1:20 where that 90 degree curve and upward hill is, that be great.

Nice selection of testing grounds for laser too, perfect for laser as its very real world and the fact that its not straight all the time.

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That's where we did some radar testing that Mem-Tek was discussing in another thread.

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Originally Posted by oahuyahoo

The corvette doesn't have his system setup properly. I can jam an ultralyte
all day long coming and going.

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Try it on that course and I guarantee PT's. When you start out for at least 500 feet, your heads are aiming down while the shooter is elevated above you. .

On the rear shots the heads got so dirty that they would need to be cleaned after every forward run. I did that on the first run of each grouping then decided it was not worth it as I was pretty much JFG on all runs the first time.

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Originally Posted by category4

Try it on that course and I guarantee PT's. When you start out for at least 500 feet, your heads are aiming down while the shooter is elevated above you. .

On the rear shots the heads got so dirty that they would need to be cleaned after every forward run. I did that on the first run of each grouping then decided it was not worth it as I was pretty much JFG on all runs the first time.

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X2 Look at the first test and you will see jams on the 100pps ultralyte but this 125 ultralyte and the course proved to be a hard combo. Maybe the LI has problems with Ultralyte 125pps? Possibly due to the narrow beam.

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

X2 Look at the first test and you will see jams on the 100pps ultralyte but this 125 ultralyte and the course proved to be a hard combo. Maybe the LI has problems with Ultralyte 125pps? Possibly due to the narrow beam.

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I have never seen the LI have trouble with the 125pps Ultralyte. Until this test

I must say, these are rather interesting results.

And I second what CrazyVolvoRob mentioned above, this is the first test I'm seeing the LI having trouble with the Ultralyte 125 pps.

This test shows that we should be testing our equipment in more real life scenarios. Very few real encounters happen on 2000' long straightaways.

Testing your setup in these different scenarios allows you to find where the weakness in your system may lie.

What we did conclude was that black cars are much easier to stealth out. The few PT's we got on the black cars came as they were transitioning from one grade to another.

It was only on the white and red colors were were able to get longer PT's.

Maybe your LI's need the UL 125pps fix like the LPP needed :D

Maybe cliff can chime in? 2 cars with LI's and both a problem with UL concerms me.

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Originally Posted by focalcivic

Maybe your LI's need the UL 125pps fix like the LPP needed :D

Maybe cliff can chime in? 2 cars with LI's and both a problem with UL concerms me.

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or maybe the UL 125pps was juiced lol

Is this the same Ultralyte used in the CFL#9?
What's the modified ZR4?

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Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob

I have never seen the LI have trouble with the 125pps Ultralyte. Until this test

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Originally Posted by PMoth

I must say, these are rather interesting results.

And I second what CrazyVolvoRob mentioned above, this is the first test I'm seeing the LI having trouble with the Ultralyte 125 pps.

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Alright this is my personal theory on why this has happened:

Watch the video again and watch where the car is directed because of the curvature of the road and the incline/decline. Often times the car has to make a small incremate of a turn and is not neccissarly straight but around 5 degree's off axis unlike all of the past tests where your vehicle is aimed straight down the course, which as you can see the previous tests unlike this one are very real world, or much more real world than previous tests.

I understand that we do off-axis shots all the time and this doesn't make since but I feel that this is deffinatly a possible reason they did so bad. I wasn't their so the people that were their may come up with evidence that makes this totally thrown out or dissimated so chime in. My personal theory

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Originally Posted by YTCD

Alright this is my personal theory on why this has happened:

Watch the video again and watch where the car is directed because of the curvature of the road and the incline/decline. Often times the car has to make a small incremate of a turn and is not neccissarly straight but around 5 degree's off axis unlike all of the past tests where your vehicle is aimed straight down the course, which as you can see the previous tests unlike this one are very real world, or much more real world than previous tests.

I understand that we do off-axis shots all the time and this doesn't make since but I feel that this is deffinatly a possible reason they did so bad. I wasn't their so the people that were their may come up with evidence that makes this totally thrown out or dissimated so chime in. My personal theory

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I think that is exactly it, very few spots on this course were the jammer heads pointed directly back towards the shooter. There were several sections on the course where the V1 would not even alert to the lidar!

Look at you all testing in the month of January, I have to admit I'm jealous.

Just from my first glance at the results, the Corvette LI needs to work on the setup. The car is getting almost 1000FT base line runs, a blinder m20 should be able to stealth that car.

I'm curious about the modified ZR4 as well. That crazy Mem-Tek we never know what he's up to.

Keep on keeping on gentlemen.

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Originally Posted by category4

I think that is exactly it, very few spots on this course were the jammer heads pointed directly back towards the shooter. There were several sections on the course where the V1 would not even alert to the lidar!

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Yep, do you see my originial post before the results were even posted or anything was said about the ultralyte and I said "I like it because its very real world and their are no relitively straight areas"

With lidar we usually deal with one of the following, a curve, a decline, or an incline. Uusally something isn't perfect and to know that LI isn't as perfect as we though is very big and something that will get the Laser Interceptor Development team motivated to fix.

Im glad you guys did this as our testing event was going to change this "Perfect scenario" and put it much much more real world. Even with radar, I mean come on we know all about the regular radar stuff as we've tested it so many times, that I was inclined to focus on the stuff *we didn't* know. Major curves, Curves with inclines and declines, Massive 35.5 testing, etc. etc. etc. I gaurantee most people would be suprised very suprised at the distances you will pick up radar around a curve and a major decline. I had the perfect testing ground around my area too, honestly with radar their is no perfect situation I have come to see with testing the limits of your detector. Also I love when GOL tested settings on the detectors and its effects, we know what the RD's will do or at least we have an idea always, we always know who is coming out on top usually.

But when you do real world scenarios you get suprised like all of you guys did here and its quite shocking, but you learn a lot from it and if you know the capabilities are of your countermeasures and the same thing with your car *and* you use this too your advantage you become a much better countermeasure user. This is exactly why I wanted some base runs of 35.5 with detectors of what range you can always expect to get an alert no matter what (except super extreme scenarios as their very uncommon) as if I know the distance the STI will alert no matter what in any scenario of I/O with it being around a curve or whatever then I will use that to my knowledge and drive accordingly. Its the same thing with knowing the limits of your car, if you understand and drive to within your limits of your car you shouldn't have any problems but if you don't know this knowledge you will put yourself at risk all the time.

Later

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Originally Posted by speed-demon

Is this the same Ultralyte used in the CFL#9?

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Yes, it is the very same gun.

This type of course is exactly what I had in mind a few months ago when I recommended that we start testing some more real-life conditions and scenarios, as opposed to the standard straight-away shots. We certainly need not abandon straight shots, as they serve as an important baseline from which to extrapolate. But once you have that baseline, then curves, inclines, and declines are perfect for finding out what your vulnerabilities are. We need to study the numbers from this event very, very carefully and determine where most of the PTs were occurring. Uphill? Downhill? Curves? Knowing the commonalities of the vulnerabilities will help us fix them.

Don't be jealous of January testing. We froze our arses off for most of the day! As we left the site, it actually began to snow.

Also of note, even way out on an unmapped road, we still managed to get jacked up by law enforcement, lol. A sheriff's deputy came by just as we were packing up to see what we were up to. He was cool once he realised we weren't racing or tearing the place up.