AutoLearn issue & lies.

First I am very happy with my ix, its a truly impressive peace of technology. I was particularly excited that Escort stated in there manual that AutoLearn will unlock a particular signal if its no longer present at a location that was previously locked out.


When I first got my 9500ix I had a A&P false locked out from when my ix was a 9500I. The store got taken down so the lock out was gone after a month or so they built a Walgreen's there.
Now this is where it got interesting, every day for days i passed and got no alert or spinning icon (auto doors weren't set up yet). A few days later the doors were back on and my 9500ix was still locking that location with no alert. :( This brought up my main concern about AutoLearn because this is the only useful feature of AutoLearn IMO.

The ix should of unlocked that location according to the manual. :confused:

NOTE: When AutoLearn is on,
PASSPORT will also UnLearn signals to
protect you from locking out real
threats. If a particular signal is no
longer present at a location that was
previously locked out, PASSPORT will
unlock that signal

KnightHawk was kind enough to let me borrow his "mini bushnell radar gun" (which runs for me at ~24.106 K band), to do some controlled testing using AutoLearn only and this is what I found:

I live in a pretty rural area and about 1/4mi from my house i decided to test the AutoLearn feature to see if it really had the ability to unlock a AutoLocked signal.
Day 1. On my way to work I turned on the "mini bushnell" and got a K band 24.106 alert and proceeded to drive then turned it off. The signal completely faded in about 8 seconds. (Escort RD's hold the signal when its gone for about 5-8 seconds) On my way home I turned it on again in the same spot and got 24.106 again.

Day 2. Again on my way into work I turned on the "mini bushnell" and got a K band 24.106 alert and proceeded to drive then turned it off. As the signal started to fade the 9500ix announced "signal stored" (3rd time is a charm:)). On my way home I flicked it on again and got the spinning icon.
I had to go out a few more times so I confirmed the spinning icon one more time and the last pass didn't turn it on.

Day 3-6. I didn't turn on the "mini bushnell", so I passed the AutoLearned area at least 8-10 times. Today I turned it on on my way in and got the spinning icon...???#$%&*!:eek:

We all know I tend to look at things positively, and are pretty forgiving about how a company uses vague words to describe a feature in a positive light. But I am a little upset that Escort blatantly, clearley and obvousley lied about AutoLearn unlocking falses that are not there anymore. Sure when the signal isint there its not locking out anything, but thats not waht they said this time...

The # 1 thing the 9500 series needs to do is have the ability to unlock an alert that is no longer there. On my rout to work there sometimes is a LEO running K band while driving. If i left auto lock on and that LEO got locked out there would be no way of unlocking that lock out unless i pass him again and unlock the signal or completely delete all my lockouts.:mad:

So my recommendation is to only use AutoLearn for your first month of having the RD than turn it off and manually lock out falses from there forward according to your areas risk. I will try testing this in a few other spots but for now other than for testing I will not be using AutoLearn.:(

On a more positive note::)
I have a shopping center off from the road with quite a few K falses that I manually locked the c#ap out of. So i turned on the "mini bushnell" and got "Multiple Frequencies Detected", i thought cool but figured it was just because the frequency was in a different 30MHz block.
The next day i drove back to that area and got "Multiple Frequencies Detected" and no spinning icon... For some reason the ix unlocked that area initially, do to the different signal from the other day?

Interesting. Did you contact Escort and see what they have to say about the unit not unlocking? I'd love to hear what they say.

thanks for the info!

Hoo boy... RadarFraud is gonna be all over this. :)

In Escort's defense, it's possible that they intended for it to work as described in the manual, but that there is a bug in the firmware that's preventing it from working correctly. It certainly wouldn't be the first time...

Thanks for the info and please let us know what escort has to say about this.

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Originally Posted by swarga

Hoo boy... RadarFraud is gonna be all over this. :)

In Escort's defense, it's possible that they intended for it to work as described in the manual, but that there is a bug in the firmware that's preventing it from working correctly. It certainly wouldn't be the first time...

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Its possible, but no one at Escort seemed to know how many passes it took before it was unlocked (not that that's saying much).
I will give them a call when im feeling better to see there response about it not working, got a bit of a chest cold.

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Hoo boy... RadarFraud is gonna be all over this. :)

In Escort's defense, it's possible that they intended for it to work as described in the manual, but that there is a bug in the firmware that's preventing it from working correctly. It certainly wouldn't be the first time...

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Its possible, but no one at Escort seemed to know how many passes it took before it was unlocked (not that that's saying much).
I will give them a call when im feeling better to see there response about it not working, got a bit of a chest cold.

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This was one of the main reasons I bought the IX over the I. Please let us know what they say. That scares the crud out of me and the potential lockout of a real threat, should it become present. LEO's are not stupid and they will use any advantage they can.

Bizarre. I have not done any extensive testing, but mine definitely unlocks when signals are not there anymore, at least the one I know about. I posted an example in another of your threads. It seems that when it unlocks a signal, it only takes one pass to lock it again. Dunno, keep up the good testing work though. :D

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Hoo boy... RadarFraud is gonna be all over this.

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RadarFraud never owned either a 9500ix or 9500ci, so he never had a radar detector with AutoLearn ... but yeah, why would that stop him. LOL.

YAY! Escorts closed till Monday.:mad:

Well what TrueLock does with all models is when a false is present it locks the signal but when its not present its not locking the signal. all 9500's do this and always did.
This is fine, but it still has the signal in memory and will lock it the first time it sees it again. My problem is they claimed specifically that if signal is no longer present at a location that was previously locked out, PASSPORT will unlock that signal, and its not doing it. (In a real life scenario and a controlled scenario it didn't work)
Its possible that there may be something wrong with my unit but i highly doubt it.

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This was one of the main reasons I bought the IX over the I. Please let us know what they say. That scares the crud out of me and the potential lockout of a real threat, should it become present. LEO's are not stupid and they will use any advantage they can.

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Don't worry too much, TrueLock still works very well. Just don't use AutoLearn till we get to the bottom of this.
The only time i see it as a problem is for moving radar that you may encounter on a limited and consistent bases for 3 times.

I will note that it seems Escort improved the 30MHz blocks around 24.150 and added a multiple threat safety for locked out locations.

I'm sitting here thinking that maybe the autolearn does not unlock manually set locations? You mentioned that you had this location locked out before you upgraded the unit to ix spec., that would have to have been done manually for the "i". In my experience, the previously set locked out locations were still in the memory of my ix after I upgraded my 9500i.

I think autolearn probably only unlearns the ones that it automatically set itself?

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Originally Posted by WJBertrand

I'm sitting here thinking that maybe the autolearn does not unlock manually set locations? You mentioned that you had this location locked out before you upgraded the unit to ix spec., that would have to have been done manually for the "i". In my experience, the previously set locked out locations were still in the memory of my ix after I upgraded my 9500i.

I think autolearn probably only unlearns the ones that it automatically set itself?

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I thought of that. :D

That's why I tested it under controlled conditions the 2nd time only using AutoLearn. So unless it unlocks when the signal isn't there after 20+ passes its not working to what they claim.

I did talk to an Escort rep before i sent in my ix and he stated that after 3 passes with no alert it will unlock the false. But that was after he said 2 other different ways it would do it. I may have inadvertently made the sales rep say the 3 passes by pressuring him for an answer like RadarKid did when he asked them about TrueLock.

This time when i call i will ask to speak to a programmer and try not to give him any of my opinions/knowledge.

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Originally Posted by WJBertrand

I'm sitting here thinking that maybe the autolearn does not unlock manually set locations? You mentioned that you had this location locked out before you upgraded the unit to ix spec., that would have to have been done manually for the "i". In my experience, the previously set locked out locations were still in the memory of my ix after I upgraded my 9500i.

I think autolearn probably only unlearns the ones that it automatically set itself?

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I thought of that. :D

That's why I tested it under controlled conditions the 2nd time only using AutoLearn. So unless it unlocks when the signal isn't there after 20+ passes its not working to what they claim.

I did talk to an Escort rep before i sent in my ix and he stated that after 3 passes with no alert it will unlock the false. But that was after he said 2 other different ways it would do it. I may have inadvertently made the sales rep say the 3 passes by pressuring him for an answer like RadarKid did when he asked them about TrueLock.

This time when i call i will ask to speak to a programmer and try not to give him any of my opinions/knowledge.

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Interesting. Did you completely erase your previously marked locations before testing? I wonder if that would make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Obsidian

[Interesting. Did you completely erase your previously marked locations before testing? I wonder if that would make a difference.

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I did the 2nd AutoLearn testing in a remote area miles from any new or original lock outs, so it shouldn't matter. I will continue testing but to have 2 out of 2 go bad is not a good start.
I will be erasing all of my previous lock outs at some point to start from scratch if Escort insists it unlocks signals after X# of passes. I'm going to call them again Monday.

Here is something I found interesting today .... I back up my locations after each database update. Since my last backup, my marked locations decreased by 2. Seems it's unlocking something ... :D.

I'm appending the # of backed up locations to the backup files so I can track it. Keep in mind ALL my locations are AutoLearn since I never manually mark or unmark anything, and I never roll with AutoLearn off.

I'm going to do some testing today with my 9500ix and X50. Hopefully I find something interesting :).

Just wanted to say thank you, you dedicated testers. Anxious to hear more...

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Here is something I found interesting today .... I back up my locations after each database update. Since my last backup, my marked locations decreased by 2. Seems it's unlocking something ... :D.

I'm appending the # of backed up locations to the backup files so I can track it. Keep in mind ALL my locations are AutoLearn since I never manually mark or unmark anything, and I never roll with AutoLearn off.

I'm going to do some testing today with my 9500ix and X50. Hopefully I find something interesting :).

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Sweet, let us know. Maybe it requires multiple passes instead of ~3 to 10, IMO it should be only 3-4 because it would be safer. But I wouldn't mind if it was 10+ ether, as long as it unlocks at some point.
It also could be a marked location being removed from the database.

You know if you confirm yours is unlocking I will have to erase everything and start over with only using AutoLearn and put about 10,000 miles on my car.:mad::)

Hi All,
Im a new 9500ix owner and quite happy with the SILENCE as i stated in my first post at an earlier thread. I have some more confusing behaviour from the IX, There is a static speed sign (near a school) which is supposedly locked and saved by the IX and is silent 8/10 passes, but occasionally the IX will alert K band and Im pretty positive that there isnt any cop nearby (its a straight tree lined road) ..confusing because if it has marked the site, why does it go off?.

The other thing is that it screams KA band on a highway when I cant see anyone until the horizon ..Texas HWYs are long and straight most of the time ( no feeder business either) Is it super sensitive ..if so WOW, and another unanswered question, is it possible that most cops use I/O and the unit switches off when they make a stop because i see speed stops and flashng lights on FWY and my IX is silent. If they are usings I/O to sample speeds from cars ahead, how come the IX doesnt shout?

Is this a sensitivity issue or my expectation issue?
Im getting to know this unit and only thing I hear out of it is "redlight camera ahead"LOL.
To be fair, on the highway, when it shouts, It is right all the time maybe coz the HWY patrols leave their unit on when they make a stop.

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Hi All,
Im a new 9500ix owner and quite happy with the SILENCE as i stated in my first post at an earlier thread. I have some more confusing behaviour from the IX, There is a static speed sign (near a school) which is supposedly locked and saved by the IX and is silent 8/10 passes, but occasionally the IX will alert K band and Im pretty positive that there isnt any cop nearby (its a straight tree lined road) ..confusing because if it has marked the site, why does it go off?.

The other thing is that it screams KA band on a highway when I cant see anyone until the horizon ..Texas HWYs are long and straight most of the time ( no feeder business either) Is it super sensitive ..if so WOW, and another unanswered question, is it possible that most cops use I/O and the unit switches off when they make a stop because i see speed stops and flashng lights on FWY and my IX is silent. If they are usings I/O to sample speeds from cars ahead, how come the IX doesnt shout?

Is this a sensitivity issue or my expectation issue?
Im getting to know this unit and only thing I hear out of it is "redlight camera ahead"LOL.
To be fair, on the highway, when it shouts, It is right all the time maybe coz the HWY patrols leave their unit on when they make a stop.

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Radar frequencies drift sometimes so this is what you are seeing, AutoLearn will lock out the drifted signal eventually.

Sounds like your sensitivity is real good. Depending on how far away they are a I/O blast may not shout unless they are close.

Most LEO's will turn there units off when pulled over. Every encounter is different and no 2 will be the same.

I'll truly believe it when members stop experiencing problems:rolleyes:

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Sweet, let us know. Maybe it requires multiple passes instead of ~3 to 10, IMO it should be only 3-4 because it would be safer. But I wouldn't mind if it was 10+ ether, as long as it unlocks at some point.
It also could be a marked location being removed from the database.

You know if you confirm yours is unlocking I will have to erase everything and start over with only using AutoLearn and put about 10,000 miles on my car.:mad::)

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I wish I knew when it was unlocking ... it would be nice if the 9500ix would display "Unlocked" when AutoLearn unlocks one ... then we would not have to guess!

Today I did some testing with my 9500ix and X50 at the spot where I know, or thought I knew, the 9500ix was unlocking and re-locking a signal. It turns out it was a K speed sign in a residential area with all kinds of crazy drift ...

1st set of passes (9500ix), it read 24.154-5

2nd set of passes (8500 X50), it read 24.132

3rd set of passes (9500ix), it read 24.121

4th set of passes (9500ix), it read 24.125

First three sets of passes were all within 30 minutes. Last set was about an hour later.

The speed sign was whacked out too, it always showed 40 mph no matter what my speed was, until one pass in my third set where it accurately showed 45 mph. I then came back around and passed it at 70 for kicks and it just showed 40 and flashed "slow down." Crazy.

When people wonder why I have the GX-65 and not the 9500ix, the auto lockout was the reason. I didnt want anything to auto without me having control. Im glad I chose the manual route.

As for your testing with the gun.....I would suggest you find a nice spot in the bushes to hide the gun on the side of the road pointing down like a door radar. Then you can simulate a false source. I think the gun in the car is messing up some results by being too strong of a signal or something. Just a thought.

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When people wonder why I have the GX-65 and not the 9500ix, the auto lockout was the reason. I didnt want anything to auto without me having control. Im glad I chose the manual route.

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AutoLearn can be turned off, then the 9500ix would be manual.

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When people wonder why I have the GX-65 and not the 9500ix, the auto lockout was the reason. I didnt want anything to auto without me having control. Im glad I chose the manual route.

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AutoLearn can be turned off, then the 9500ix would be manual.

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X2, i would rather have the optional feature that i can use if i wish than not have that choice at all.

As for simulating the radar source outside the car i did this in a real scenario with the Wallgreens. IMO AutoLock isn't that sophisticated to know if its a door sensor at 200ft or in your car, the only thing it will affect IMO is the lock out radius. However if Escort is insistent it unlocks i will do everything in my power to find out how many times and in what scenario.

I'm trying a different location today, already got the location AutoLocked, now for 30+ passes.

Bad news, but also good news now that we know.

Sorry for the bad grammar/spelling with my IM with Escort, im a slow typer so this was tuff. I replaced the Representatives name with (Escort:) because this was just for informational purposes and not to debate the representative when he/she cant defend them selves. However "escort" did a very good job helping me, and didn't get into a locking LEO debate.

I'm a bit disappointed that the manual stated it unlocked signals when all its doing is not showing the spinning icon because the alert is not there. Works just like the old 9500I but with the ability to lock out on its own.
Escort should rectify this ASAP with a USB update, AutoLearn is useless to me (if not everyone) without the ability to unlearn.

I am extremely disappointed with Escort for not making this feature real and lying in righting about it. I'm good at looking at things in every way possible and the manuals wording doesn't leave this feature up for interpretation. Its just wrong.


info: Welcome to Escort Inc.! An online representative will be with you shortly. You are number 1 in the queue. Your wait time will be approximately 0 and 21 seconds. Thank you for waiting.
info: You are now chatting with 'ESCORT'
Escort: Thank you for your interest in Escort! How may I help you today?
you: Hi, I have a 9500ix and was wondering how many passes after AutoLearn doesn't see the false alert does it unlock the signal?
Escort: 3 times.
you: So after the 3rd pass with no alert it will unlock it?
Escort: Sorry. I thought I saw lock not unlock.
Escort: It will not automatically unlock a signal.
you: O, but it states it in the owners manual?
Escort: It will lock out the false alert after receiving it three times.
you: yes but the manual states: NOTE: When AutoLearn is on, PASSPORT will also Unlearn signals to protect you from locking out real threats. If a particular signal is no longer present at a location that was previously locked out, PASSPORT will unlock that signal
Escort: Sorry. One time. If a locked out signal is not longer there the IX will unlock it after passing once.
you: I had a location that was locked out that got new auto doors and didn't get an alert 8-10 times. When the new door was installed I got the spinning icon that it was still locked. Should it of unlocked the signal?
Escort: If it's the same frequency signal as the locked out signal, the IX won't notice any difference.
you: I'm still a bit confused. Because the exact signal was gone, and it didn't unlock the signal.
Escort: You're saying that the original locked out frequency is different from the frequency admitting from the new doors?
you: it was the same, that's the odd part. It should of "Unlocked" it because it was the same.
Escort: If the two frequencies are the same, it should NOT unlock it.
you: When the manual states "If a particular signal is no longer present at a location that was previously locked out, PASSPORT will unlock that signal" its clear at least to me that its supposed to unlock the same signal.
you: What if a cop is running K band 24.150 radar at the same place 3 times in a row and he gets locked.
Escort: From what you are telling me. The new doors have the same frequency as the old doors. If that is the case, the IX would not recognize a difference because there is no difference to detect.
Escort: If you see a cop in the same exact place with the same gun emitting the same frequency, tell the IX not to lock it out when it begins to automatically lock it out.
you: I actually tried to unlock just after is said stored, and it remained locked.
Escort: You can't unlock a frequency when it has just stored. Just drive away until the alert is no longer there and then turn back toward it. When you receive the alert then you can unlock it.
you: that will work.
Escort: Yes.
you: It was confusing because of what the manual said.
Escort: I understand.
you: So basically AutoLearn works exactly like the 9500I, but it automatically adds lock outs.
Escort: That is correct.
you: you have been very helpful. thank you for your time.
Escort: You are very welcome. Is there anything else I can help you with?
you: just a note.
you: someone should change the manuals wording.
Escort: Thanks for the feedback. I will pass that along.
you: thank you, have a great day.
Escort: Thank you for your interest in Escort. Good-bye.

Thanks CJR... and that blows. Well, now I can save up my $100 for a while till the fix this. I wonder if they actually plan to change this... and why they are lying in the manual.... isn't this kind of a fradulent bait and switch tactic?

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Thanks CJR... and that blows. Well, now I can save up my $100 for a while till the fix this. I wonder if they actually plan to change this... and why they are lying in the manual.... isn't this kind of a fradulent bait and switch tactic?

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Yes it does blow, and not in a good way. I bet it was designed to do this but then they held off and never changed the manual. Its too blatant of a lie to be bait & switch IMO.
Whatever it’s called, ether they change the manual or change the software for a USB update.

That sucks.

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Originally Posted by CJR238

Bad news, but also good news now that we know.

Sorry for the bad grammar/spelling with my IM with Escort, im a slow typer so this was tuff. I replaced the Representatives name with (Escort:) because this was just for informational purposes and not to debate the representative when he/she cant defend them selves. However "escort" did a very good job helping me, and didn't get into a locking LEO debate.

I'm a bit disappointed that the manual stated it unlocked signals when all its doing is not showing the spinning icon because the alert is not there. Works just like the old 9500I but with the ability to lock out on its own.
Escort should rectify this ASAP with a USB update, AutoLearn is useless to me (if not everyone) without the ability to unlearn.

I am extremely disappointed with Escort for not making this feature real and lying in righting about it. I'm good at looking at things in every way possible and the manuals wording doesn't leave this feature up for interpretation. Its just wrong.


info: Welcome to Escort Inc.! An online representative will be with you shortly. You are number 1 in the queue. Your wait time will be approximately 0 and 21 seconds. Thank you for waiting.
info: You are now chatting with 'ESCORT'
Escort: Thank you for your interest in Escort! How may I help you today?
you: Hi, I have a 9500ix and was wondering how many passes after AutoLearn doesn't see the false alert does it unlock the signal?
Escort: 3 times.
you: So after the 3rd pass with no alert it will unlock it?
Escort: Sorry. I thought I saw lock not unlock.
Escort: It will not automatically unlock a signal.
you: O, but it states it in the owners manual?
Escort: It will lock out the false alert after receiving it three times.
you: yes but the manual states: NOTE: When AutoLearn is on, PASSPORT will also Unlearn signals to protect you from locking out real threats. If a particular signal is no longer present at a location that was previously locked out, PASSPORT will unlock that signal
Escort: Sorry. One time. If a locked out signal is not longer there the IX will unlock it after passing once.
you: I had a location that was locked out that got new auto doors and didn't get an alert 8-10 times. When the new door was installed I got the spinning icon that it was still locked. Should it of unlocked the signal?
Escort: If it's the same frequency signal as the locked out signal, the IX won't notice any difference.
you: I'm still a bit confused. Because the exact signal was gone, and it didn't unlock the signal.
Escort: You're saying that the original locked out frequency is different from the frequency admitting from the new doors?
you: it was the same, that's the odd part. It should of "Unlocked" it because it was the same.
Escort: If the two frequencies are the same, it should NOT unlock it.
you: When the manual states "If a particular signal is no longer present at a location that was previously locked out, PASSPORT will unlock that signal" its clear at least to me that its supposed to unlock the same signal.
you: What if a cop is running K band 24.150 radar at the same place 3 times in a row and he gets locked.
Escort: From what you are telling me. The new doors have the same frequency as the old doors. If that is the case, the IX would not recognize a difference because there is no difference to detect.
Escort: If you see a cop in the same exact place with the same gun emitting the same frequency, tell the IX not to lock it out when it begins to automatically lock it out.
you: I actually tried to unlock just after is said stored, and it remained locked.
Escort: You can't unlock a frequency when it has just stored. Just drive away until the alert is no longer there and then turn back toward it. When you receive the alert then you can unlock it.
you: that will work.
Escort: Yes.
you: It was confusing because of what the manual said.
Escort: I understand.
you: So basically AutoLearn works exactly like the 9500I, but it automatically adds lock outs.
Escort: That is correct.
you: you have been very helpful. thank you for your time.
Escort: You are very welcome. Is there anything else I can help you with?
you: just a note.
you: someone should change the manuals wording.
Escort: Thanks for the feedback. I will pass that along.
you: thank you, have a great day.
Escort: Thank you for your interest in Escort. Good-bye.

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Still love my IX, but that information is very disheartening to say the least.:( I certainly hope that Escort is reading this and makes the appropriate update to change this. It clearly states on Page 9 of the manual in BOLD letters that it will "...Unlearn signals to protect you from locking out real threats." If this is untrue then they should correct it. Thanks for the information, CJR238.

I'm not fully convinced just yet. That rep seemed very confused, giving three different answers to the same question. Try asking a different rep and see what answer(s) you get before taking what this guy said as gospel. ;)

Gotta agree with the poster above. I'm not sure from that dialog if the rep followed your reasoning at all.

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I'm not fully convinced just yet. That rep seemed very confused, giving three different answers to the same question. Try asking a different rep and see what answer(s) you get before taking what this guy said as gospel. ;)

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Gotta agree with the poster above. I'm not sure from that dialog if the rep followed your reasoning at all.

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X3. In my experience with Escort live chat, they are nothing more than simple salesmen.

It would truly suck if it did not unlock a missing signal ... but again I just don't think the live chat people have much of a clue honestly.

I partly agree with the above 3, however 2 out of the 2 tests i have done it didn't unlock the signal, so in my book that's a fail.
I will actually call to speak to a programmer but wanted to discuss a few other things on my list.

And actually the 3 different answers confirmed for me that it doesn't unlock, he covered all bases so there was only one answer left. He also didn't deny that you can TrueLock out a LEO, verydifrent than what outher peoples suposid conversations have been.

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I will actually call to speak to a programmer but wanted to discuss a few other things on my list.

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OK, I'm confused here. Here's a possible situation I'm now concerned about. My daily hwy commute has a spot where an unmarked LEO loves to sit shooting Ka. He's there about twice a week. My 9500ix hasn't locked him out yet but I think I've only caught him there twice since I switched from my x50. So, is what you're saying that it's possible the next time I encounter him (3rd) he could potentially be locked out. AND that on my way home, (he's never there after 5) his spot MAY NOT be unlocked?

Oh tell me that's not the case.:eek:

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OK, I'm confused here. Here's a possible situation I'm now concerned about. My daily hwy commute has a spot where an unmarked LEO loves to sit shooting Ka. He's there about twice a week. My 9500ix hasn't locked him out yet but I think I've only caught him there twice since I switched from my x50. So, is what you're saying that it's possible the next time I encounter him (3rd) he could potentially be locked out. AND that on my way home, (he's never there after 5) his spot MAY NOT be unlocked?

Oh tell me that's not the case.:eek:

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OK, that's not the case :D ... because you can't lock out a Ka signal.

Seriously? Good. So what will lock out just X and K ?
Thanks and sorry to highjack the thread there a bit.

I just turn mine off today

i will lock out my own places now :p

after doing a road test with a speed sign in the same place locked out all i need to tell me not to risk it

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Seriously? Good. So what will lock out just X and K ?
Thanks and sorry to highjack the thread there a bit.

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Yes, just X and K.

I know they unlock signals. I've seen it. I can't figure out what criteria is used to do so, but I know it does unlock missing signals.

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Originally Posted by taylormade

OK, I'm confused here. Here's a possible situation I'm now concerned about. My daily hwy commute has a spot where an unmarked LEO loves to sit shooting Ka. He's there about twice a week. My 9500ix hasn't locked him out yet but I think I've only caught him there twice since I switched from my x50. So, is what you're saying that it's possible the next time I encounter him (3rd) he could potentially be locked out. AND that on my way home, (he's never there after 5) his spot MAY NOT be unlocked?

Oh tell me that's not the case.:eek:

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I'm not sure whether LEO can precisely be at the numerical exact same GPS coordinates every time. If they are even a number off IX should see it as just that, i.e., LEOs sitting at the same spot in different time with slightly different GPS reading. If this kind of guaranty-to-encounter-in-real-life-at-some-point scenario is not worked out/tested out before releasing a new radar detector what do they test?

Also "Escort: Sorry. One time. If a locked out signal is not longer there the IX will unlock it after passing once." seems like a clear answer to me. As for what CJR experienced, it seems, there could be many different possible variables that might have caused the symptom that without precisely analyzing and knowing the exact circumstance it's difficult to know for sure how or what happened... for example such as maybe they had an unknown X band source there that was never turned off(?) or some other such scenarios...