Please post your real-world saves experienced with Veil when either used alone or in conjunction with other countermeasures.
Veil Guy :cool:
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Please post your real-world saves experienced with Veil when either used alone or in conjunction with other countermeasures.
Veil Guy :cool:
Here is a link to a post I made late last year regarding my one and only encounter so far with LIDAR using VEIL and a VEILed LaserShield only on my previous personal vehicle, a 1998 Saturn SL2 (Forest Green)...
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...er-shield.html
At this time, I have not had any LIDAR encounters with my new(ish) ride - a 2003 Buick Century, but will post when I do!
Thanks Bob for a great product!
Got tagged at < 500ft by FHP doing 85 in 65. As i was going up a hill, FHP tagged me right at the peak on the hill. The peak of the hill was also curved. So i was off angled by the hill and the curve at <500ft. I never had anytime to kill my 9500CI and FHP never gave me the chase. I give credit to veil over the 9500CI on the first 2 seconds in that save as i got no chrome on the front.
2000 accord
9500CI
V1
Veiled everything shinny
no front plate in Florida
Well, it finally hapenned on the way home from work...a LIDAR hit by the NY State Police!!!
I was travelling westbound on I-290 as I normally do every afternoon. I was coming up on the Niagara Falls Blvd. exit doing about 70, when I started picking up Ka (NYSP use 34.7). Instinctively I let my foot off the gas, then almost immediately...LASER ALERT on my STi for about 2-3 seconds (my STi Driver is high-mounted in one of those visor cases, partially behind a tint strip). I was about .1-.2 miles away from the trooper, who was parked in a NO U-TURN area. He did not seem at all happy...either that or he was concentrating on his next victim. As I passed him...an immediate I/O Ka hit. Needless to say, I passed him unscathed at about 62-65 MPH. Funny thing is, I had not 2 but 3 coats of VEIL on my headlamps. I was trying to cover up some fisheyes, when my passenger side coating started to come off....you get the picture. Now, my HL's look almost jet black. I did buy a pair of Xenon halogen lamps to compensate. Didn't even get a second look from the trooper.
VEIL and a Veil'd Laser Shield were my only countermeasures besides my STi Driver...
lol @ this thread.
The only way anyone would know if veil works is if they are speeding over 10 mph without a laser jammer.
There is no where saying a cop can only stop you at 10 over the limit. Where I live they dropped the "7" over the speedlimit down to "3" over the speedlimit.
A cop can easily right you a speeding ticket for 1 mph over the limit and that is all it takes.
I guess retards will "LOL" at anything.
I never said a cop can only give you a ticket over 10. Go re-read what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee Driver
If you are out driving though, the chances of you getting a ticket are much higher when doing over 10 MPH.
Common sense doesn't go well with you, does it?
You have the same stupid mentallity that others on here have saying a save was not a save because its not over 10-15mph so if its less its not a save.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTeI never said a cop can only give you a ticket over 10. Go re-read what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee Driver
If you are out driving though, the chances of you getting a ticket are much higher when doing over 10 MPH.
Common sense doesn't go well with you, does it?
So explain what you were laughing about then since your point was made so clear the first time....
It depends what several factors when your speeding, location and location of the cop looking for you, you just can not say there is more facts based on your baseless blankent statements you continue to say over and over....its getting old.
Congrats, you are now the biggest tool on this message board. See RadarKid for your trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee DriverYou have the same stupid mentallity that others on here have saying a save was not a save because its not over 10-15mph so if its less its not a save.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTeI never said a cop can only give you a ticket over 10. Go re-read what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee Driver
If you are out driving though, the chances of you getting a ticket are much higher when doing over 10 MPH.
Common sense doesn't go well with you, does it?
So explain what you were laughing about then since your point was made so clear the first time....
It depends what several factors when your speeding, location and location of the cop looking for you, you just can not say there is more facts based on your baseless blankent statements you continue to say over and over....its getting old.
The whole reason is because LEOs all have different opinions on what speeds deserve tickets. If you took a poll of every LEO in the world, probably the majority of them would say they won't issue you a ticket unless you are doing 10 over.
I've gotten a ticket doing 5 over before I had any countermeasures, that's not the damn point. But your brain has no common sense to understand anything. The IQ of the message board was so much higher before you started posting here.
nevermind
Im sorry, I did not realize you have the ability to speak for every cop out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTeCongrats, you are now the biggest tool on this message board. See RadarKid for your trophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee DriverYou have the same stupid mentallity that others on here have saying a save was not a save because its not over 10-15mph so if its less its not a save.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTeI never said a cop can only give you a ticket over 10. Go re-read what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherokee Driver
If you are out driving though, the chances of you getting a ticket are much higher when doing over 10 MPH.
Common sense doesn't go well with you, does it?
So explain what you were laughing about then since your point was made so clear the first time....
It depends what several factors when your speeding, location and location of the cop looking for you, you just can not say there is more facts based on your baseless blankent statements you continue to say over and over....its getting old.
The whole reason is because LEOs all have different opinions on what speeds deserve tickets. If you took a poll of every LEO in the world, probably the majority of them would say they won't issue you a ticket unless you are doing 10 over.
I've gotten a ticket doing 5 over before I had any countermeasures, that's not the damn point. But your brain has no common sense to understand anything. The IQ of the message board was so much higher before you started posting here.
So explain why where you "LOL'ing" at that earlier post? I know you were not supporting the actual save of VEIL by they poster, but it was looking like you were trying to debuke that veil save.
Dont be a politician and say something and come back and say you meant something else or you were mis-speaking.
WOW!
Victor's situation could have very well been 70 in a 55 - making it a confirmed veil save by pretty much anyone's definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
If it was 70 in a 65, however, I don't think that can be considered a save - as I believe that very rarely (if ever) will a LEO pull you over for only +5 over PSL.
Thank you, Myriad. Interstate 290 (on which I do most of my daily weekday driving) does indeed have a PSL of 55 MPH, and is where I had the LIDAR hit I previously mentioned. Interstate 190 is 55 in both directions, with the exception of a small portion north of Niagara Falls going into Lewiston (65 MPH).Quote:
Originally Posted by Myriad
Speaking of the I-190...on Thursday evening (around 9:00 PM) I was tagged by the NYSP again on the 190 North heading towards the Peace Bridge going 70 MPH (PSL on this section of the 190 is 55). I was in the hammer lane and didn't see him until after I was painted. He was parked on the right side pointing at traffic. Same distance as before (.1-.2 miles). I passed him doing about 65 this time, and again the trooper did not come after me. Score one more win for VEIL alone!
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyriadVictor's situation could have very well been 70 in a 55 - making it a confirmed veil save by pretty much anyone's definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
If it was 70 in a 65, however, I don't think that can be considered a save - as I believe that very rarely (if ever) will a LEO pull you over for only +5 over PSL.
There is no way to confirm how far away Veil works when you do NOT have a laser jammer.
This is common sense, please get some.
You're right - there is no way to CONFIRM that veil does or does not work, unless you're looking at the gun with the LEO.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTeWrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyriadVictor's situation could have very well been 70 in a 55 - making it a confirmed veil save by pretty much anyone's definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by noTe
If it was 70 in a 65, however, I don't think that can be considered a save - as I believe that very rarely (if ever) will a LEO pull you over for only +5 over PSL.
There is no way to confirm how far away Veil works when you do NOT have a laser jammer.
This is common sense, please get some.
I think that Victor's situation suggests that the officer was not able to get a reading for whatever reason - as 15 over is certainly fast enough for a ticket. Of course, the officer could have been waiting for bigger fish. Like I said earlier, there is no way to know for sure, but I don't see the harm in documenting this situations in which Veil could have played a part in the "save", nor do I see why you are acting in such a hostile manner toward Victor.
i agree u can't say it works when you have a jammer onQuote:
Originally Posted by noTe
I'm not sure 70 in 55 is ticket worthy. I think around here tickets start at 75...
it depends on the cop............ they all have something they start atQuote:
Originally Posted by lidper24
I dont remember any hills in Palm Beach or really anywhere in Fl:hmmmm2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrCoke
Even though i had a 9500CI with ZR4, the cop shot me at off axis where no jammers can really help much. Its one thing to test jammers head-on like 95% on the test we all do but another to shoot at a jammer off axis. Ex: hill and/or curve. In the most extreame case of lidar shots, up a hill and on a curve could befeat any jammer on the market as the jammers are not directly pointing at the lidar gun. The few extra seconds allowed my car to somewhat be leveled with his lidar gun. Anyone who has experiance shooting lidar gun would agree with me.
I’m glad it’s mostly flat where I live! So what is the consensus... Does Veil work?? I hope so I have already ordered it!
Plenty of hills in South Floridia. Certainly not hills by NC standards, by any means. But it doesn't take much of a hill to obscure your view a quarter mile down the highway.
I personally own veil and believe it would buy you only a few extra seconds. Somewhere around 3 second at most if you want to guess. When i was shooting lidar for a week, veil had no effect in shots under 200 feet. At a distance with no jammer and veiled lights, i can consistantly clock my car at 1,000ft. When i clock other cars on the road, i normally pick them off consistantly at >1,500ft. Does veil work? to someone who owns veil and used a lidar gun, yes. Where veil truely is magic for me is the off axis lidar shot and there is where Veil>Zr4.
Do i like veil? yes and no. I like the smoke look on my black car but its a b!tch to apply. If using the foam brush, only apply a few drops at a time to the headlights or it WILL run.
Funny, I was born & raised there. I still cant remember any noticeable hills until north fl. And those were small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker
The highest things from the ground were levees and Mt trashmore.
The only thing to obscure my veiw of the fl roads was the heat mirages and toad chips. Perhaps time has faded my memory:confused:
OHHHHHHHHHH HILLS IN FL??????? I HAVEN'T seen any:p
Going back to the subject of the thread, VEIL has really helped my ZR4s. Got a save on the highway the other day (90/65) against an Ultralyte. I also pitted my jammers against every lidar gun except prolite and laser atlanta and all PTs have been kept to less than 500 feet. Thanks Veil Guy :D
I wouldnt call a laser jammer "junk" if it helps u avoid a ticketQuote:
Originally Posted by noTeAhhhh. Proves my signature is true. lawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4
Pointless in paying for a laser jammer when it doesn't jam LIDAR from less than 300 feet away.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4I wouldnt call a laser jammer "junk" if it helps u avoid a ticketQuote:
Originally Posted by noTeAhhhh. Proves my signature is true. lawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4
because most people get hit less then 300ft ? I say no 500 is about rightQuote:
Originally Posted by noTePointless in paying for a laser jammer when it doesn't jam LIDAR from less than 300 feet away.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4I wouldnt call a laser jammer "junk" if it helps u avoid a ticketQuote:
Originally Posted by noTeAhhhh. Proves my signature is true. lawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4
Because most people will be below 300 feet before they can get slowed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fastgt2003
It's not about the distance you are engaged at. It's about the distance you are slowed down at. It takes you a very minimum of three seconds to slow down. At 60mph, you'll cover 264 feet in those three seconds. So yes, PT at anything under 300 feet is fail.
Another laser encounter last night N.Y.S.P. Laser was undoubtedly the Lti Ultra Lyte. My car BMW E90 3 series veil on headlights 3 coats, heavy veil on all chrome including BMW hood badge, light hazed coating of veil over all frontal surfaces of bumper, including the leading edges of the hood and, a laser shield with one light coat of veil on the outward face. My current controlled tests with the Lti Ultra Lyte LRB were showing consistant punch throughs at in the 750ft range. Two days ago I was on my way home on a three lane parkway with sweeping turns and moderate elevation changes. I was tired but paying attention. In the left lane I had instinctivley let off the gas as I was approaching an overpass. Just beyond the overpass is a diminishing radius down hill right hand sweeping turn. Right under the overpass the V-1 alerts to laser. Approximately 900ft away was the cruiser parked perpendicular to the road next to an exit. My speed was 20 over the PSL. Heavy on the brakes, the laser alert was constant and continued to a range of about 200ft. from the source. I had managed to slow to the PSL rapidly, the precise range to the source, where this occured, I'm not sure. This is the second time I've been hit in the left lane within 1000 ft. and come away unscathed. I suspect being in the left lane helps a bit, being off axis more than say, the right lane. The numbers don't really add up though. I have to do more controlled tests within the punch through range to see if a reading is delayed or instantanious. Durring the last test of my set up, the laser operator did say he got an instant reading at about 300 ft. but, this was really due to traffic conditions blocking his shot till that range. Although "only" 20 over, I think the LEO would have pulled out after me had he gotten me at that speed. There was an extra enforment effort that night. There was another troop car running Ka constant on, with the rear antenna, on the same road, opposite direction about 1/2 mile ahead of the laser trap. This activity is unusual for this time of night. Normally you might see one enforcer but not two. The other trooper had someone pulled over. No, the V-1 did not pick up the trooper till he was at a range of about 1000 ft, within line of sight but, the transmission source was facing the other way.
Itwasntme,
I think your experience(s) effectively demonstrate the real-world differences between slow speed test course testing against lidar operators specifically skilled in defeating countermeasures versus the real-world where the results, I believe, tend to be much better for Veil.
Nicely done.
Veil Guy :cool:
My story:
I was going 80 km/hr in a 60 km/hr zone. Usually I use waze in my city and usually all speed controls are marked on the map (thanks to other users). This time I broke the Iphone stand that goes on the window so I was just driving with the Escort Redline and Laser Veil (Veiled the headlightes, chrome and licenseplate (applied directly on it) and nothing else, the car is a silver Chery Face GLX). Usually the cops are always in the same spot but this time I just forgoted. Ok so I was driving and my redline alerts me of a laser shot about 820 ft from the LEO, the cops here use the Traffipatrol XR. I had plenty of time to slow down. The alert continued for a long time and about 100 ft away the cop finally got my speed, he was targeting me the whole time. His face was amazing, he was smiling all confused at me. Just priceless.
I recommend laser veil 100% anytime. It just paid for itself sooo many times...
I can't wait for the next generation of this product. G6? hahahaha!.
Awesome.
Yes, we understand that passive absorbing Veil does work very well with even the most complex laser pulsing algorithms.
Great story!
Concerning Veil G6, we gotta get to G5 first (and we are working on it). (Grin)
Happy Easter!