VEIL on my license plate doesn't work!

Hey guys

I have veiled my lights & license plate. however...yesterday i tested it using a digital camera, and the plate still gives off a hell lot of reflection? but as you can see in my avatar, my plate is already quite dark with the veil, why is it still so bright int he photo? does this mean it'll be fairly ineffective against laser guns? my lights are perfectly dark, no shine from the flash of the camera, but my plate is very bright!

VEil guy: pls help! i can't use lasersheild in Hong Kong.
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wow imagine the plate before VEIL you might of not put in a thick enough coat

Ouch, I see what you mean. If you cannot run a plate cover, or go without a plate I don't know that you have many other options. The only way to have a shot masking that plate would be to get a jammer. I would look at some of the tests that RacerX recently did with and without a plate and the difference is pretty big. Sorry I don't have a lot of helpful suggestions at this point. Where I live they don't really enforce the front plate requirement that closely so I don't run one.

Longsnowsm

I believe that VEIL is designed to block only near infrared light, while letting visible light pass.

Shining a light on the car at night can help to show you the areas that need to be treated with VEIL, but cannot show you how effective your treatment really is. While it might look reflective to you (visible light), it might look black to the laser gun (infrared).

Jim

yeah, i use veiled laser shield

here is a picture with just laser shield

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...8_133_full.jpg

Jimbonzz,

I sure hope what you said is right.....otherwise i'll be really worried and upset :(
I still have not had the chance to fully test out my veil's effectiveness.

Can the VEIL guy comment on this pls?
i definately did put enough veil on it as you can see in my previous posts and in my avatar, my plate is rather dark.

Well, the IDEA of Veil is to minimize visible light interference (otherwise it would make your headlights useless) but maximize infrared light blockage.

I wonder if shining a laser pointer on it would help? If you don't see a laser pointer reflection, that means it works, and if you do it means it doesn't? Doesn't that make sense?

A laser pointer wouldn't work since it's a red laser, not infrared. The best way to check your Veil (IMHO) is to use a camera or camcorder with an infrared mode (e.g. Nightshot on Sony cameras).

Hiya Dilip!

If your worried about it's effectiveness, get a jammer. Also you could see if you can get a Jap spec front plate mount and get a new smaller square type plate made up, which will have a smaller area than the rectangular, EU type.

I could do the Jap spec small plate, but it still wont make much of a difference.

I can't afford a jammer, and i'm very very scared of being caught with it.


Can the VEIL GUY pls comment on this issue pls?
Thanks. :D

I'm concerned too, but i would THINK that it would help. Anyway, Veil Guy has gotta be the one to make the determination.

Too bad we don't have an IR camera :oops:

Several things with retroreflective plates.

1) Plate cover with VEIL generally provides better results than VEIL alone, unless two coats are used - which may result in too dark appearance. In such instances, a lasershield or lasershield/veil combo would likely be preferrable. Laser cross section will be lowered in either event.

2) Jimbo is correct: visible xmission is not the same as IR xmission. The same holds for Video/Camera's, etc.

At any rate, didn't recently report on a circumstance where you were lasered for a good five seconds or multiple times in one situation. If so, sounds like it's doin' its job...

Veil Guy 8)

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Originally Posted by The Veil Guy

Several things with retroreflective plates.

1) Plate cover with VEIL generally provides better results than VEIL alone, unless two coats are used - which may result in too dark appearance. In such instances, a lasershield or lasershield/veil combo would likely be preferrable. Laser cross section will be lowered in either event.

2) Jimbo is correct: visible xmission is not the same as IR xmission. The same holds for Video/Camera's, etc.

Veil Guy 8)

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Well considering we used quite a heavy coat, from what you can see, does that mean it is thick enough? Or will it have to be almost completely black to be of any use on retroreflective plates?

Could you think of any way we could test the effectiveness of the Veil we have on right now? Or would it be impossible to test without actually buying a real laser gun and doing multiple tests (like GoL)?

A good heavy coat should be fine.

At the moment, we are tested out.

Between Radartest, Speedzones, and GoL (twice) just in the last several months as well as Speedzone tests from the previous years and are own extensive testing over a decade - we're confident in our [stated] position.

For you, an IR camera would give you some idea, like a Sony 0 lux model shot in total darkness.

Veil Guy 8)

Veil guy,

Yes, previously i stated that i had a laser encounter which lasted over 5 seconds, then 2 second gap, and another 3 second hit. This might suggest veil did it's job, but it was at an extremely far away distance.

After seeing the photo with the flash, i'm worried that the highly reflective plate i have might still allow a laser reading at a medium range. For example, today i was lasered again and i judge the distance to be 250-300 meters, however my RD only beeped for 3 seconds.

If you recommend, perhaps we should try using laser shield since our plates are so reflective here in HK?

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Originally Posted by Dilip

I could do the Jap spec small plate, but it still wont make much of a difference.

I can't afford a jammer, and i'm very very scared of being caught with it.


Can the VEIL GUY pls comment on this issue pls?
Thanks. :D

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haha a jammer would be less obvious than your headlights are currently ;)

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Originally Posted by kpatz

A laser pointer wouldn't work since it's a red laser, not infrared. The best way to check your Veil (IMHO) is to use a camera or camcorder with an infrared mode (e.g. Nightshot on Sony cameras).

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I got Veil over my front headlights and LaserShield over my front license plate, also I have a Sony camcorder with NightShot feature... I would like to do the test, so get my car into a totally dark place and start shooting at the front-end, from close range and then further away, no big deal so far, then playing back the tape on my TV and how it should look like if the Veil/LaserShield Combo is working fine, and how if it's not doing a good job???
TIA

Honestly at around 200-300 meters with your yellow color and front plate, I wouldn't expect consitent protection.

A black bra would certainly help in those cases, if you could stand using one.

Otherwise we would expect punch through at real close distances.

Veil is not a jammer and we don't suggest JTG performance, although every now an again - when the conditions are just right - we have achieived it.

2-3 seconds of reaction time - in the closer ranges - can be enough for an attentive driver to shave some mph off.

Using a lasershield may or may not help, because once again the vehicle color at closer distances will certainly play a role.

My vote, again, would be to consider using a black bra.

Veil Guy.

Hmm.......yes i guess the yellow colour is a big problem.......but i really do think my plate is the biggest contributing factor. Perhaps if i got a laser shield it would make a bigger difference.......

Thanks for your replies.

It may not be as bad as you think.

Seth's metallic silver (very easy for laser to see) is actually quite stealth.

Why? His vehicle's shape is rather aerodynamic - pointy.

You vehicle appears similar. So color - while a factor to be sure - may not be so bad.

Veil Guy 8)

Veil guy: thanks for ur reply.

Hmm.....it's very interesting regarding the shape. I do know in Hong Kong, officers are trained to target your headlight first

anyhow.... ok my final questions are as follows, after this i won't bother you again :?

what would be more effective:

1. my current license plate with VEIL as per my avatar?
2. a lasershield on my plate with NO VEIL.

3. obviously, a combination of 1 & 2 would be the best. But i'd rather not veil my plate if i already have lasershield coz that will really attract attention.


For the rear:
since veil is unlikely to make much of a difference on the rear due to the shape of the back, should i just remove my veil so the car looks better? Or, should i get laser shield for the rear plate also? but its likely lasershield wont be effective on the rear due to the other targeting areas available, and even if it was....it's likely my X50 will not alert me to slow down, so should i just forget about any counter-measure for the rear?

Thanks.

If its not illegal in your area, I would recommend a license plate cover, and veil both sides of that.

We'd get in trouble if we put both the laser shield AND veil on, blurry and dark. At most we could put either on without it being TOO noticeable.

I would say leave the Veil on in the rear since it is already on, because you never know if it WILL help. Sure you won't get a warning, but at least you'll have a much better chance versus having nothing on at all.

For the front, i'm not sure... it certainly helps on the lights, but how much does it help on the plates?! That is still not defined.

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Originally Posted by Sethy

If its not illegal in your area, I would recommend a license plate cover, and veil both sides of that.

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Sethy, our plates in HK already have a plastic transparent cover on them. I only veiled the outside.

NVR2fast:

i sent you an SMS today, did u receive?

yes...i agree i think we can't do both VEIL & laser shield as thats too obvious. just one of the two.

question is.....which one would be more effective?

If I were a betting man, I would venture that the lasershield may do a better job than Veil directly on a license plate. Veil on a clear plate cover appears to equal or better it by a small degree.

I wouldn't discount the protection that Veil can offer you on the rear.

If I recall we did really well with Veil only on Jim's trans-am. Granted, it was black, but, the shape in the rear was also quite good.

Keep in mind, though, that the rear is generally the achilles heel even for active jammers....So, no guarantees. :wink:

It certainly can't hurt though. But if they are targeting in the rear from <700-800ft, I wouldn't expect much with the Gen III guns. Gen II or earlier, perhaps.

BTW, your questions are not a bother at all! :D

Veil Guy 8)

Thank you very much.

I will make arrangements to purchase a lasershield asap. your help is greatly appreciated.

One point to note....is that our license plates in HK all come inside a clear plastic cover. Therefore, my current veil is already on a clear cover.

OK.

Interesting. Well then the story, I suspect, would be different.

From a protection standpoint, I am guessing its a toss-up between the lshield versus veil on the plate itself.

It may simply come down to personal preferences.

Keep me posted on your progress.

Tsing siu-sam jyt-toi hung-gwek. :wink:

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Veil Guy 8)

hahahaha, thats very impressive!

Pls mind the platform gap :P

:D

Do jeh saai!

Veil Guy 8)

Hello,

I've never done this before so would appreciate some help.

I want to order laser shield, so i assume i do it from radarbusters.com?

It says for international orders, the minimum quantity is 2 pcs, however I can change it myself back to 1 pc.

The cost for 1 laser shield + shipping amounts to almost US$48.00

I choose Hong Kong as destination, enter my address etc. Then it asks for a discount code? what do i put there?

Also....it then asks for my credit card details etc. so is it that simple? I just enter my details, then it would be shipped to me? how long would it take? and...what guarantee do i have that it will reach me?

Thanks
Dilip