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Has this happened to anyone else? My first two experiences with the blinder, and they were both falses.
One was at dawn, driving away from the sun- there was a crystler mini van to my right and it started alerting. the other was at night, with no cars around. 99% sure that there were no cops shooting laser....
Anyone have any idea if the new blinders are proned to falsing?
Uh oh, i hope this isn't a "bug" on the horizon..
my j16's do it alot when u get to close in sun behind certian cars or vans on sunnys days here in tx or my strobes on in the dark next to a ref. sign, plate, brinks, and all infinitis suv's w night vision coming at you... i got lock em up and wait look around then either its laser or false,,,, so i know for sure when my RD goes off at same time
I was worried if the new Blinder's extra sensitivity would come with come at the expense of extra false alerts.
Mine went off today while I was driving through town. I didn't see a LEO, but it's possible one was hiding somewhere. My RD didn't pick it up, but that wouldn't be a surprise either way.
I will check on this for everyone. Something to try is reprogram the unit into USA mode because of less guns in that mode.It only has guns used in the US so filter is tighter....I was told by Denmark that the USA mode would false less than than the European mode...But I will ask about it today!
Tom I know your is in USA mode because I programmed it that way.
Mine is in USA mode. I didn't know that blinder upped the sensitivity, I don't see why they would do that- I mean doesn't it only need to detect laser when you are being shot? The m-20 series didnt false and alerted beautifully
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Upping the sensitivity gives the Blinder a larger coverage radius. The M27 I shot the other day had noticably better coverage than previous Blinder versions I've shot at before. If the car I shot at the other day had an M20 on it instead of a M27, I would have been able to drill the corner of the headlights and get easy PTs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethy
Is the radius still 18 inches?Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80Upping the sensitivity gives the Blinder a larger coverage radius. The M27 I shot the other day had noticably better coverage than previous Blinder versions I've shot at before. If the car I shot at the other day had an M20 on it instead of a M27, I would have been able to drill the corner of the headlights and get easy PTs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethy
impressive stuff DJ!
No, it's effective radius is larger than that. This is the car I tested. Again, I only tested it using my PLII. Other testing groups will surely run the new Blinder up against lots of guns. But, it beat my PLII, without Veil.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPTiK
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...7-audi-a4.html
Sorry if falsing leads to better protection, COUNT ME OUT!!!! The nice thing with my LI and Blinder M20 as jammers is when the are or went off I was for sure getting his by laser.
When I first switch the the V1 I was worried about KA falses of my v995 only detected KA when there was an actual threat. Luckily with POP off on my V1 I have no KA falses
Thanks for being one of the guinea pig testers of the Blinder M27 Sethy;)
Are we forgeting about LI's sun alert warning when it was innitially launched? I wonder if a firmware update will take care of the issue. Early releases of products always seem to have issues but eventually get fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob
I agree. I have a friend who has the M27 and is experiencing the same issue. I had a choice to buy the M25, but the M27 was going for the same price. Knowing the issue he was having i went a head and bought the M27 knowing that if there is an issue, Blinder will release a firmware update to address the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
Once I've installed and tested, i will have more feedback.
Really, I hooked it up to my computer and turned it off as soon as that was possible ALSO the Sunlight Interfearance alert sounded nothing like a the jammer was going offto an actual threat. IF the LI started the SIA alert with the alert siren than that would be an actual false.:rolleyes: You won't win an argument with me, happy, I keep is way too real for you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by happya$$Are we forgeting about LI's sun alert warning when it was innitially launched? I wonder if a firmware update will take care of the issue. Early releases of products always seem to have issues but eventually get fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob
This is only a question and not a defense for Blinder because I also hate falses but why do people not think it is bad or that it isn't a problem for RD to false but it is bad for a laser jammer to false...All Rd false to sum degree why is that ok with the community but not with a jammer....I am only asking out of curiosity not as a defense...I have notified Blinder and they are already testing the issue.
My point is many innitial launches have issues. We were all fortunate that LI worked them out and we now have a beast of a jammer. We also have LI to thank for hopefully waking up a sleeping giant in Blinda. Healthy competition does wonders to consumers!
Because there are jammers like the M-20's which I have that never false, and have always alerted to real threats. If for example V1 made detector's years ago that never falsed and then all the sudden the new and improved ones did, I think people would be upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder-Guy
Blinder doesn't want competition, you know this Steve.:rolleyes::(:(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by happya$$
This kind of remedies the arguemnet of a V1 vs a 9500ix. Some can deal with the falses for that little added protection, or others like it quiet, and are willing to sacrifice a little preformance for the quiet. I have a 9500i, so I like my stuff quiet, personally. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder-Guy
In my opinion, a jammers job should be the last line of defense. I believe it should be up to your detector to attempt for any sort of pre-warning.
My old M-20's never falsed, not once. It alerted to every real laser threat I encountered as well. (minus at GOL w/LA stealth)Quote:
Because there are jammers like the M-20's which I have that never false, and have always alerted to real threats
I really hope blinder will come out with some sort of fix, but I mean that sounds like more of a hardware issue then software...maybe not.
I have already reset and flashed my blinder, (since i messed it up after install) and it was really simple. But now that opens a new can of worms- if they release a new revision- that just means it will need to be re-tested to make sure that the performance is still there.
I do have high hopes for blinder, this jammer really does appear to be promising a lot, and by the foundation it is being built on, I do believe they have the potential to deliver.
Laser alerts require immediate action, radar alerts usually do not. Radar alerts indicate signal strength, which for false alerts usually conveys the lack of urgency, laser alerts do not. False radar alerts can be memorized by location, false laser alerts usually cannot. I can't be cramming on the brakes for false laser alerts all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder-Guy
This is the main reason I don't use my ZR4s. My LIs have maybe 5% of the false alerts my ZR4s do.
No falses from my M27 so far. Only alerts I've gotten are from DJ's PLII.
I don't believe it's a hardware issue, I bet they will easily fix it through a firmware update and now that they can just push it online it will no take time to have it go out to everyone.
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Originally Posted by rocky2Because there are jammers like the M-20's which I have that never false, and have always alerted to real threats. If for example V1 made detector's years ago that never falsed and then all the sudden the new and improved ones did, I think people would be upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder-Guy
I personally have no problem with occasional falses.. like my v1. So I would welcome the added security, but if it falses to the point I'm often on my brakes for no reason at all (not that I speed that often), I would then have a problem.
Regardless, I'm looking forward to installing my m47 (maybe tomorrow if I have time), not at all worried about falses.
I've had no falses from my M27's. Even with Infinity's setting off the STi-R and V1 no falses from my Blinder.
I just had the one, and I'm not sure it was a false. I just suspected it. In any event, one false a week is fine. I wouldn't want them to decrease sensitivity for THAT.
If they need to reduce sensitivity, I hope this "fix" will be released as an option that can be turned on or off by the user.
Agreed. Some users wouldn't mind the falses for the additional sensitivity, which is the boat im on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
falses from jammers are not the same as RD... falses it's becauses pulses comming from other sources matches the pulses from real European lidar guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by OPTiKAgreed. Some users wouldn't mind the falses for the additional sensitivity, which is the boat im on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
It has nothing to do with sensittivity, it is in fact worse because the interferance would hinder your jamming capability...
^ Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrobReally, I hooked it up to my computer and turned it off as soon as that was possible ALSO the Sunlight Interfearance alert sounded nothing like a the jammer was going offto an actual threat. IF the LI started the SIA alert with the alert siren than that would be an actual false.:rolleyes: You won't win an argument with me, happy, I keep is way too real for you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by happya$$Are we forgeting about LI's sun alert warning when it was innitially launched? I wonder if a firmware update will take care of the issue. Early releases of products always seem to have issues but eventually get fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by crazyVOLVOrob
The LI's SIA is a warning feature, that's all - it's not a real "false-alert" (i.e. alerting to a non-enforcement-source as-if it were a true enforcement signal/threat) and it itself - the SIA - does serve a valid purpose, in letting users know of situations where the jammer's performance (all current jammers are performance-compromised when faced with such conditions) is compromised.
Besides, like cVr said, one could even disable the SIA, if one so wished.
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I think sethy hit is spot-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinder-Guy
We expect the jammer to be our last line of defense, and as such, it has to strike a better balance between specificity and sensitivity.
I've used the ZR3 since 2003/4 - and I've always been disappointed at how easily it falsed.
With the LPP, things got better. Not completely, but definitely significantly.
Now, with the LI, I've learned to not even react to the ZR3, until the LI's have kicked in to verify that it's a true threat.
Similarly, speed-dreams' comments, regarding the potential lack of protection that comes from "false-matching," is of absolutely TREMENDOUS tactical concern, and cannot be taken lightly.
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Given djrams80's and other's data, I truly commend Blinder for pushing the performance of LED-based jammers to a totally new level - but I do think that there's still things to work on.
But hey, nothing's perfect! :)
Yes falses are much worse from a laser jammer. When my lidatek le30 was starting to cause some issues it falsed about once an hour for one road trip needless to say it wasn't fun at first cause I was reacting to the alerts like they were actual hits but they weren'tQuote:
Originally Posted by speed-dreamsfalses from jammers are not the same as RD... falses it's becauses pulses comming from other sources matches the pulses from real European lidar guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by OPTiKAgreed. Some users wouldn't mind the falses for the additional sensitivity, which is the boat im on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
It has nothing to do with sensittivity, it is in fact worse because the interferance would hinder your jamming capability...
Jammers should only alert when Fired upon!
Why shouldn't a laser jammer false? Because if you are traveling at a quicker pace than the PSL, it will cause you to slam on the brakes, so you can turn the thing off. This is a safety hazard, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Sorry to those having problems, hope they get resolved quickly.