I would like to recognize Whistler for there Instant on performance !!
Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER
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I would like to recognize Whistler for there Instant on performance !!
Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER
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Very respectable showing by Whistler all the way around. We were all impressed. Performance was better than or comparable to the 9500ix in many categories, and not significantly lower in others. Whistler trounced all Belscorts in both responsiveness and stealth. And without responsiveness, the extra sensitivity of some Escorts is simply useless. I'll take a 78SE over any Escort any day.
Shows you that the sky is the limit for Mike B. and his team! Congrats Mike B. and keep the improvements rolling!
I have to admit that because of the GOL tests I have a new respect for Whistler RDs. They truly are one of the best RDs against I/O and QT.
Just a word of caution here. Remember, the Whistlers were all tested in filter mode. I consider running a Whistler in filter mode very similar to running a V1 with Ka guard off. There is no way I could even consider running a Whistler in filter mode where I live. When I tested the Whistlers, even in filter2, the Ka band falses still happened far too frequently, in my opinion. When I tested the Whistler's I/O responsiveness in filter2, they were not significantly better than my Escort RDs.
For the price you get awesome Spectre performance, awesome IO/QT performance in the default filter mode, and you get INSANE customer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4
I don't want to be a pain here, but from what I understand you have always looked at the GOL test in high regard. Are you questioning the results now that they say that Whistlers outperform belscorts in instant on?Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80
Now, your problems were with the falses. That can't be tested in a lab setting and is a reason why real world testing should also be used rather than doing a controlled test and letting that be the be all end all. I'm not saying that GOL should of done a real world test, that really isn't the type of things that we do, we actually already have a lot of information about real world performance from different users on the forums so an official real world test is not necessary, especially since you already have driven around with the SE for a significant amount of time DJ.
Again, I'm not trying to be a pain, it's just that looking back at some of the arguments that ensued when you tested the SE series, I'm left a little confused by some of the statements made in your post.
A lot of Se users will never have an issue with ka falses like me and Dj have here in LA. Only in Heavy 10 lanes of bumper to bumper traffic, 5 flowing one way, 5 the other, do I experience the most ka falses. With this I feel a very very small percentage of Whistler owners will have enough ka falses to be seen as an issue.
I get quite a few in LA, but usually around the same spots. I always check my speed just to be safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
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Originally Posted by happya$$For the price you get awesome Spectre performance, awesome IO/QT performance in the default filter mode, and you get INSANE customer service.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4
I have never received such great customer service from anyone, radar detector, automotive, motorcycle co etc. You name it Michael B blows them away with his awesome customer support.
Absolutely not! As a matter of fact, I performed this test. :haha: What I am saying is that this testing was run in the Whistler's default setting, which is filter mode. Based on my own testing, it's my opinion that these results would have been significantly different, if the setting on the Whistler was filter2, instead of filter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divewjason
I'm saying that on these Whistler SEs, false alerts and performance are related. If you live in an area where Ka band false alerts are a problem, in order to deal with them, it has been my observation that you will be sacrificing responsiveness. That's my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divewjason
I see 1 to 2 of those Ka falses per day if I'm unlucky. I use default Filter or Filter 1 most of the time. I turned my X band and K band off on my Pro 78se and it's super quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
Freebird, didn't you say that your Pro 78se alerted to the Q/T fine in Filter 2 when you ran into that Q/T happy Motocop? Do you remember if POP was on or off?
I'm curious about V1's ability to detect Q/T if POP is turned off. I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of Q/T performance between a Whistler SE and a V1 with POP turned off.
Interesting. My Ka band false alerts seemed completely random.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhistlerUser
These alerts are almost always full blast. If they were real, it would be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhistlerUser
Freebird, didn't you say that your Pro 78se alerted to the Q/T fine in Filter 2 when you ran into that Q/T happy Motocop? Do you remember if POP was on or off?
Yes I tried all 3 modes and even on filter 2 he appeared to be shooting the same amount of time between shots, 3-5 seconds , leading me to believe i was still picking up all of his shots in filter 2 mode.
He was shooting every 3-5 seconds and holding the trigger down 1 and a half to 2 seconds on average.
Pop was off.
Lately i have been getting allot of false Ka alerts on my new route to work. They are in the same location also. Filter 2 eliminates them. Filter 2 is fine for most of the time. Mike B said that FILTER mode picks up radar scatter better. I have noticed this over hills and overpasses.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeslcI see 1 to 2 of those Ka falses per day if I'm unlucky. I use default Filter or Filter 1 most of the time. I tuned my X band and K band off on my Pro 78se and it's super quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
Freebird, didn't you say that your Pro 78se alerted to the Q/T fine in Filter 2 when you ran into that Q/T happy Motocop? Do you remember if POP was on or off?
I'm curious about V1's ability to detect Q/T if POP is turned off. I think it would be interesting to see a comparison of Q/T performance between a Whistler SE and a V1 with POP turned off.
That's about what I got in filter2 and it drove me bananas.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeslc
Well yeah, but if you run into K band, you're toast. Turning off X and K band is not possible for 99.9% of those RD users out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeslc
V1, pop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeslc
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5CTyj81Rg]YouTube - Crude V1 and 9500ci Quick Trigger Test[/ame]
Whistler XTR-695SE, pop off.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ht8n1tBeQ]YouTube - Stalker Quick Trigger Testing[/ame]
Jag 42, I see that it says you're from West Texas. What city?
Sigh, it seems that no matter what, djrams will always find a way to sour the day of the Whistler owners. He will never admit that Whistlers are excellent performers. Like Stealth said, I would also take my XTR-690 over any Belscort any day?
Who needs 2+ mile detection when it can't even detect QT I/O couple hundred feet away?
I think part of djrams problem is that he just can't face the fact that my $150 RD outperforms his $1400+ RD on everything but range. But as I mentioned before, no one NEEDS 2+ mile range, it's nice, but sure as hell not worth hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars extra.
Lubbock ..A Fast RD is a must in TEXAS. Who cares about constant on. I would rather have a 1/2 mile warning of quick trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Güero
:lol::lol::lol: Some Whistler owners need to stop being so sensitive. Dj is showing facts and the choice is yours. Dont be so quick to get on the defensive and lets keep this discussion positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Güero
Heck yes it is. I live in Odessa. Good to see another person that appreciates Whistler's alertiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42Lubbock ..A Fast RD is a must in TEXAS. Who cares about constant on. I would rather have a 1/2 mile warning of quick trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Güero
Let us remember if I am correct every detector from top to bottom gave alert before the capture zone in the constant on testing. Instant on is being used a lot in most areas and the Whistlers performance in this area is one of it's strengths.
It is just a matter of time before the Whistler has the sensitivity of the belscorts if they continue to improve and stay with the trend I am seeing.
Well, I'm not being sensitive to just this post. He's always bashing Whistler for them not being so "sensitive". In my book, there are two levels of "sensitivity" in the RD world, reacting to low level of signal (Range) and reacting to low level of signal length (I/O or Q/T). And taking this into account, there is only one top performer, the V1 (Listen to me, I sound like a Zombie).Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird:lol::lol::lol: Some Whistler owners need to stop being so sensitive. Dj is showing facts and the choice is yours. Dont be so quick to get on the defensive and lets keep this discussion positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Güero
Also, taking that into mind, and taking into mind that the future prospect of the RD world seems like Q/T and I/O will be the dominant form of radar usage, I would take an RD with stellar performance with Q/T than with huge range.
Just my two cents.
How far would you say this I/O shot in the "real world" that the Whistler missed that my 9500ci picked up in this video was? 2 miles? 3 miles? Um, no. More like 1/8 mile, if that. This is the point that none of you Whistler zombies seems to get. There is more to detecting an I/O shot than just responsiveness. This point is made in the GOL data, where the Whistlers were 0 for 16 at the further distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Güero
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHR1zNgiuJQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHR1zNgiuJQ[/ame]
These Whistlers false Ka band. No Belscort I've ever used has this problem. These Whistlers constantly misidentify X and K band. No Belscort I've ever used has this problem. Sorry, but I feel that it is absolutely inexcusible that a top-of-the-line RD in 2009 has trouble identifying X and K band. When I turned off X band on my Whistlers, they just called all of the X band false alerts K band. I was dumbfounded! The point of turning off X band is to make a RD quieter. If said RD then just calls all of the X band false alerts K band, that is epic fail in my book!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHR1zNgiuJQ"][/ame]
X2 Otherwise you'll get owned by TX DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42
Wow, you're lucky. My ci has been giving out full blast Ka 33.6 alerts lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80
Excellent point. Let me rephrase. Ka band false alerts happen to every RD, because cheap RDs are everywhere. Every other RD I use does an excellent job filtering them out. These false alerts are maybe monthly. On these Whistlers, they are basically constant, if I try to use them in filter mode, and they are at least daily in filter2.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4Wow, you're lucky. My ci has been giving out full blast Ka 33.6 alerts lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80
Like this Snoopy? DPS just tags people in there 1/2 second triggers or 1-2 seconds. I got around 7-8 seconds to get down to PSL. :D I had to find my camera to start filming this happen so suddenlyQuote:
Originally Posted by snoopyc4X2 Otherwise you'll get owned by TX DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42
Wow, you're lucky. My ci has been giving out full blast Ka 33.6 alerts lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zYRs7XChqk"]YouTube - Pro 78 Instant on Ka 34.7[/ame]
Or This ?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG5FYQ8xlZw[/ame]
looks more like 4-5 second instant on shots in that video jag than Q/T.
I noticed that the Pro78SE and XTR690SE where tested but not the XTR695SE. I wonder why?
Also, I saw that the XTR-130 was listed in the Spectre test but was not on the list of RD included in the test and did not see it listed for any of the other tests.
Whistler has a lag time to hold a signal longer than it is. This was noticed on my Whistler response video. I could do half second trigger pulls and it would alert 2-3 times longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
What got me started thinking about this possible POP off issue on a V1 was after watching venom400's video:Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80V1, pop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeslc
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5CTyj81Rg]YouTube - Crude V1 and 9500ci Quick Trigger Test[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ9aZHA4XXI]YouTube - Valentine 1 radar detector test pop on vs pop off against K Quick trigger[/ame]
Nice job GOL! It looks like the testing confirms what us Whistler users have been saying from day one...it's been a long time coming!!!
I do not normally get the full KA full blasts that some members here complain about. I will say that I was stuck in rush hour traffic in Orlando last week and started to get these alerts every 5 minutes or so....I tried to look at the other cars around me and noticed that, in many cases, they were using Cobras. I am starting to think that these alerts are not false at all...just filtering issues. I did not change my filter settings..just left it at default so this may have resolved the issue. Also, I did not get these alerts in the same areas on my way down...only on the way back while stuck in traffic.
That's not what I've seen. Most of the quick trigger shots in this video are quick little "bloops".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42Whistler has a lag time to hold a signal longer than it is. This was noticed on my Whistler response video. I could do half second trigger pulls and it would alert 2-3 times longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ht8n1tBeQ]YouTube - Stalker Quick Trigger Testing[/ame]
The Pro 78 lags ..Havn't tested the SEQuote:
Originally Posted by djrams80That's not what I've seen. Most of the quick trigger shots in this video are quick little "bloops".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42Whistler has a lag time to hold a signal longer than it is. This was noticed on my Whistler response video. I could do half second trigger pulls and it would alert 2-3 times longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freebird
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ht8n1tBeQ"]YouTube - Stalker Quick Trigger Testing[/ame]
Did the Whistler identify 34.7 on the quick trigger pulls and how often?
Don't remember for sure, but I think it did almost every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag42
After reading some GOL 09 Result..only thing Whistler SE did well is against I/O,,but all other results,they are at rock bottom, check out Ka Range Test(33.8,34.7,35.5):deal:
Very tough situation and test course. Whistler does very well on flat straight highways/Interstates :D But the point was all detectors alerted before the Kill zone. Look at the Cobra it was in high gear !Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper4usmc
Ok I understand. Thanks for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by djrams80Absolutely not! As a matter of fact, I performed this test. :haha: What I am saying is that this testing was run in the Whistler's default setting, which is filter mode. Based on my own testing, it's my opinion that these results would have been significantly different, if the setting on the Whistler was filter2, instead of filter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divewjason
I'm saying that on these Whistler SEs, false alerts and performance are related. If you live in an area where Ka band false alerts are a problem, in order to deal with them, it has been my observation that you will be sacrificing responsiveness. That's my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divewjason
I'm actually quite surprised by some of the results, even the Cobra outperformed some of the more respected detectors in this forum in certain parts of the test. :eek:
LOL! Yeah, the Cobra beat all of the V1s that had Ka guard on, on the 35.5Ka real world test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divewjason
The Whistler's were dead last in the Ka constant on test though, if you average all Ka runs.