LI Install Question

Hello Everyone! I put a question up here earlier and I appreciate all of the feedback that I received.

I am finally getting my LI dual head installed on Friday! My understanding is that the head basically provides an 18" radius of protection. After looking (and measuring) more closely on my vehicle, I am trying to determine from your feedback what would be the best install point. I understand that adding more heads would be the ultimate option, but that isn't a choice at this point.

The front end of my care is very sloped and the center mass isn't that reflective. I have learned from reading on here that the LEO is going to aim for the most reflective objects on the car...headlights. So, please take a look at the two pics that I have posted and give me some feedback.

If I place the heads in the "blue" location, I will fully protect all of the reflective surfaces and and the majority of the vehicle. I will have a small gap in the centerline of the vehicle where I won't have protection based off of the 18" rule.

If I place the heads in the "red" location, I will fully protect the center mass but I will have weak spots on the edge of the vehicle around the reflective surfaces. (Again based off of the 18" rule)

So, my question is this...is the 18" rule pretty hardfast? If so, I think the "blue" location is the best decision. And, if it isn't, I feel that it's the best either way.

Thanks in advance for your feedback! I'm very excited to get these operational.

I also plan on hooking up with "Category 4" to test them out for weak spots once the install is complete! :D

the 18" rule is for older LED based jammers, even the new blinder m*7 series upped it to 20-24 inches (right in their manual), with a diode I would suspect it is closer to 25-30. I would install them in the red area and call it good, as long as they are level/parallel you should be good.

Go with the Red location and mount the bubbles out to the side. The Red Location will give you total protection

Good Luck!

I feel like with a dab of veil on the Porsche logo, you would be better served with the the blue location.

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I feel like with a dab of veil on the Porsche logo, you would be better served with the the blue location.

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I disagree 100%

95% of Cops shot center-mass! Protect your centermass. Otherwise long range centermass punchthroughs are easy pickings

Thank you everyone for your feedback! So 2 for the red, 1 for the blue...if the distance is actually greater than 18" wouldn't I be better served by placing them right under the headlights? Isn't that the most likely location that they will be aiming for AND the most reflective surface on the car? The bulk of the device will be there and it will overlap across the center mass?

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Thank you everyone for your feedback! So 2 for the red, 1 for the blue...if the distance is actually greater than 18" wouldn't I be better served by placing them right under the headlights? Isn't that the most likely location that they will be aiming for AND the most reflective surface on the car? The bulk of the device will be there and it will overlap across the center mass?

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Placing them under your headlights will leave you open for center-mass punchthroughs. The first place cops shot is center mass! That should be your goal in protection. And your LI's are enough to protect your headlights from the red position

Mounting it in the Red locations with bubbles out you will get JTG performance anyways

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I feel like with a dab of veil on the Porsche logo, you would be better served with the the blue location.

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I disagree 100%

95% of Cops shot center-mass! Protect your centermass. Otherwise long range centermass punchthroughs are easy pickings

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You must have been posting at the same time I was! :D

I agree with you that most LEO's are probably going to shoot 1st for the center mass because it's easiest...but the general consensus from what I have read on here is the that they aim for the reflective surface.

So center mass is the more likely??

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Originally Posted by rsatmans

I feel like with a dab of veil on the Porsche logo, you would be better served with the the blue location.

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I disagree 100%

95% of Cops shot center-mass! Protect your centermass. Otherwise long range centermass punchthroughs are easy pickings

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You must have been posting at the same time I was! :D

I agree with you that most LEO's are probably going to shoot 1st for the center mass because it's easiest...but the general consensus from what I have read on here is the that they aim for the reflective surface.

So center mass is the more likely??

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Cops are trained to aim first at center-mass and then possibly switch to you headlights.

And as long as you play by the rule of proper jammer ownership and slowdown to Posted Speed Limit and turn off your jammer. You will be 100% perfect.

People are extremely quick to criticize my installation cause my focus has always been center-mass protection for my past 4 years with my 5 different jammer set-ups and I haven't gotten a ticket yet.

I am just concerned about those fog lights and the top corners of the headlights in the red position. I feel like if you veil that Porsche emblem then the center mass will not be a problem. I would only recommend the blue position for LI.



Luckily caregory4 will be able to test it.

Well, I proposed the same scenario and photos to Cliff with LI USA and he said to mount them as close as possible to the headlights. He reviewed the photo and agreed with the blue location.

I agree with the assessment that the LEO's are going to go center mass 1st, but Cliff seemed to think that the distance will provide plenty of coverage for center mass and protect the more important reflective part.

I guess at this point I will have to see the results of the test and if there is a PT.

Thanks again to all for the input!! :)

I think either location will do you well with a properly installed LI. The difference would be in bubble orientation.

I think the key factor to consider in either position is that the heads should not be overly recessed. They need to stick out, or they risk being obscured from off-axis shots by the surrounding fascia. So long as that does not happen, I agree that mounting in the blue locations will cover the center mass just fine.

Regarding where LEOs aim, it's almost completely irrelevant. Most cops are shooting freehand. That means that where they aim and where they actually hit are likely to be two completely different things. Therefore, it makes little sense to install with an intent to focus on center mass.

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I think either location will do you well with a properly installed LI. The difference would be in bubble orientation.

I think the key factor to consider in either position is that the heads should not be overly recessed. They need to stick out, or they risk being obscured from off-axis shots by the surrounding fascia. So long as that does not happen, I agree that mounting in the blue locations will cover the center mass just fine.

Regarding where LEOs aim, it's almost completely irrelevant. Most cops are shooting freehand. That means that where they aim and where they actually hit are likely to be two completely different things. Therefore, it makes little sense to install with an intent to focus on center mass.

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Thank you...great feedback! I know that the bubbles need to be installed towards the fender side of the car...in your opinion how much do they need to be sticking out?

If you'll view your car from a 45 degree angle, you should be able to see the entire lens surface of both heads. Also, you have to consider their visibility to an overpass shot, which is usually 25 feet over your head, and about 500 feet ahead of you. Kinda hard to test that, but again, it gives you an idea of how to place them. Ideally, there should be no recession at all behind anything that will obscure peripheral vision.

Perfect...I will make sure that's how it's done! Thanks again everyone! :)

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

I think either location will do you well with a properly installed LI. The difference would be in bubble orientation.

I think the key factor to consider in either position is that the heads should not be overly recessed. They need to stick out, or they risk being obscured from off-axis shots by the surrounding fascia. So long as that does not happen, I agree that mounting in the blue locations will cover the center mass just fine.

Regarding where LEOs aim, it's almost completely irrelevant. Most cops are shooting freehand. That means that where they aim and where they actually hit are likely to be two completely different things. Therefore, it makes little sense to install with an intent to focus on center mass.

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I agree with SS here on this one. Blue bubbles out, red bubbles in. LI should be OK with either. I personally like the blue location.

If you want to do some testing on the LI's this weekend let me know, I will be around ATL this weekend, it's a rare occurrence!!