A New System for Laser Jammers

(Mods, we approved announcing this in advance through Radar Busters)

Hello readers,

Some of you may have been wondering about the system mentioned in a previous thread. It has been an exciting trip and we are now ready to pull back the curtain for the reveal. This project is the result of hard work on the part of the people involved with the company, in particular by Lionel Vogt (user Solion), who conceived the system.

It is a patent pending system of lenses, adapters, mounts and IR transmitting fiber optics which connect to the transmitter and receiver portions of laser jammers. This system will be available for both new and existing laser jammers. We have the prototypes tested, and are working towards production units.

The benefits:

1. The mounting no longer relies on large sensors in plain view. Each "head" is now about the size diameter of a Bic pen (a few millimeters) and can be installed stealthily.

2. Adapters allow you to connect 2 or more receivers to each jammer receiver, increasing sensitivity to LIDAR transmitted by a speed gun, especially on large or wide vehicles, and at close distances where the LIDAR beam is small.

3. The system features the ability to customize the receive and/or transmit lenses for the type of environment you drive in. If your police target from long distances, long distance lenses can be fitted. If your local police target from short distances, short distance lenses can be fitted.

4. The system allows us to reshape both the input and output for different light patterns for optimal coverage for any vehicle.

5. The system allows for delicate electronics to be moved out of harms way, to help avoid damage from road debris and/or weather. Damage to the fiber or the lens assembly will allow for a swap out for just those pieces instead of entire heads.

6. NO more cutting your grills, bumpers and other expensive parts on your car!

Any companies which wish to discuss this system with us please contact me via PM, as the forums are not an appropriate venue.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Lionel Vogt
Laser Lions, LLC

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...ser_tamers.jpg

(A special thanks goes out to Category4 for the use of his LIDAR guns!)

This is great news! :D

Interesting.

Any pics? Cat4 tested something already?

I can't wait to play with some of the prototypes.

This system will allow you to mount the heads in the engine bay or trunk and only have multiple eraser sized points on the exterior.

No longer will you need to sacrifice mounting location for stealth. No longer will you need to cut grilles to mount heads. No longer will you need to sacrifice location as you can bring multiple points of each head.

I can foresee 1 head giving you 3 or 4 input and output points to place in perfect pattern for complete coverage.

This has so many possibilities I can't believe it has not been thought of before! Great job guys!!!

This will be awesome!!!

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Originally Posted by v1user

Interesting.

Any pics? Cat4 tested something already?

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I have seen the video of it in action, but I have not personally tested it (schedule conflicts). I am however very impressed with what I have seen.

We have pictures and videos, but we're waiting on production quality videos to be ready before posting any on the forums.

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Originally Posted by The Chariot

We have pictures and videos, but we're waiting on production quality videos to be ready before posting any on the forums.

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Yea the ones I saw were not edited and it was hours of watching run after run. Not very exciting other than to know what was being tested and how well it was performing.

This looks extremely promising. Can't wait for more info.

really excited about this, the size will allow them to be installed into body panel gaps!!!! that is HUGE! this is definitely a game changer...and hopefully not an expensive one!;)

Do the jammer heads need to be taken apart to equip this?

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really excited about this, the size will allow them to be installed into body panel gaps!!!! that is HUGE! this is definitely a game changer...and hopefully not an expensive one!;)

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They have some great ideas on how to incorporate the fiber into items you would never think of as transponder heads. I will not steal their thunder, but for all the people that live in transponder forbidden zones (especially Europe) and those with high dollar rides that don't like having heads ruin the lines of their ride this is an amazing break through.

As for pricing , that I have no idea.

But no longer do you have to compromise to stealth your ride, now you can stealth the install and the ride!!

So essentially you're using fiber optic cables to redirect the receiving and transmitting diodes. How exactly do the cables attach to the heads of the current systems?

Any ideas as to the cost and availability?

http://techfreep.com/images/fiberoptics3.jpg

I take it that's behind the bumper right?

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Originally Posted by Idontgo55

I take it that's behind the bumper right?

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You can mount you jammer head anywhere and then just run the fiber to the points you need to for optimal coverage.

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I take it that's behind the bumper right?

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You can mount you jammer head anywhere and then just run the fiber to the points you need to for optimal coverage.

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so no the fiber has to be outside not behind anything correct?

IT'S ABOUT G-D TIME that somebody came out with something like this! :D

I've only been begging for it for 2 years now... :p

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But no longer do you have to compromise to stealth your ride, now you can stealth the install and the ride!!

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Amen, brother!! Can I get a "Thank You, Jesus?!?!?!!?" :lol:

Outstanding idea, and I wish everyone involved the best of luck.

I for one will be buying one and trying it out, front and rear.

This system will give every car the capacity to radically increase its stealth profile.


It's not often I'm impressed, but here and now I am.

:D

Not impressed.

I had to cut my grille. Everybody needs to cut their grille. ;)

I'm not bashing it but fiber cable outside your car makes it more stealth?

Competition brings innovation. So far so good. Keep up the good work!

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I'm not bashing it but fiber cable outside your car makes it more stealth?

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Not outside, just the ends of the fibre optic cables.

Think of them as small plastic tips that could be only 5mm diameter, peering out from any nook and cranny.

Curent jammer heads are disproportionately large. Run 4 or 5 small plastic lense to anywhere on the front of your car...

Around head and fog lights, near chrome, in small gaps in normally difficult to mount grills.

I cant wait to get my hands on these....

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Originally Posted by TQUILL

Do the jammer heads need to be taken apart to equip this?

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With the heads we have tested the fiber assembly with , the answer is that this is a non destructive setup.

Solion

Laser Lions LLC

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I'm not bashing it but fiber cable outside your car makes it more stealth?

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Not outside, just the ends of the fibre optic cables.

Think of them as small plastic tips that could be only 5mm diameter, peering out from any nook and cranny.

Curent jammer heads are disproportionately large. Run 4 or 5 small plastic lense to anywhere on the front of your car...

Around head and fog lights, near chrome, in small gaps in normally difficult to mount grills.

I cant wait to get my hands on these....

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so have tons of wires around or one to go to a 6 or so led jammer hmmm I know what I'd pick

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Not impressed.

I had to cut my grille. Everybody needs to cut their grille. ;)

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Ever reads the Aesop fable The Fox and the Grapes? :lol:

This is awesome! Anything that makes less alterations to my rides and it still as effective it certainly welcome.

How long do until you expect to see this hit the street?

My wife is going to kill me.:D

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so have tons of wires around or one to go to a 6 or so led jammer hmmm I know what I'd pick

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Actually, only about 2-3 feet per mounting point.

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so have tons of wires around or one to go to a 6 or so led jammer hmmm I know what I'd pick

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Actually, only about 2-3 feet per mounting point.

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when fiber is $20-30 per ft plus whatever you will make on it which can add up to the system of a Li dual or m27 easy


4 points at 3 ft each 30x12=360.00 plus whatever u add to it

This is insane. Installation would be a snap, like plug and play. Point the heads out and you are done.

And on top of it all, as long as it still jams the LIDAR guns, I'm in.

To answer a couple questions:

1. We are doing everything we can to make this affordable. No pricing information yet, unfortunately. In the current phase it is expensive but that's only because low volume fiber is expensive. The price drops dramatically as we buy volume (think: telephone spool).

2. No firm ETA on delivery, but I'd venture to say a couple of months. Some people will be getting working units before then, but they will not be the "production" units. Category4 is first in line. :)

3. This should make any jammer system more effective since you'll be able to increase the number and location sensor points, as well as split the outputs.

4. You can leave your existing wiring in place, just move the jammer heads behind the bumper, grille, etc., attach our assemblies and route the fiber/lens to where you want to mount them (for instance, in the bottom two screw holes of your license tag frame).

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This is insane. Installation would be a snap, like plug and play. Point the heads out and you are done.

And on top of it all, as long as it still jams the LIDAR guns, I'm in.

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It solves the "one size fits all" problem, And having a system that can be customized to the car AND be hidden in such a way as it cannot be easily identified or identified at all is going to make alot of people in in Canada and Europe happy. Much less being hassled here in the USA


Lionel

Laser Lions LLC

Love to put em'on my bike. I hadn't bought a laser jammer yet because jammer heads would be too obvious.

Very interesting , very clever ...

Not to shade your accomplishement , I had tried the same idea
with a ''light pipe'' made of low OH optic fiber ...and gave up.
The particularity of this fiber is 99.99% transmission in the
nir band versus regular optic fiber.

The critical part is the marriage of the interface between the fiber
and the sensor surface ....kudo ;)

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Originally Posted by The Chariot

To answer a couple questions:

1. We are doing everything we can to make this affordable. No pricing information yet, unfortunately. In the current phase it is expensive but that's only because low volume fiber is expensive. The price drops dramatically as we buy volume (think: telephone spool).

2. No firm ETA on delivery, but I'd venture to say a couple of months. Some people will be getting working units before then, but they will not be the "production" units. Category4 is first in line. :)

3. This should make any jammer system more effective since you'll be able to increase the number and location sensor points, as well as split the outputs.

4. You can leave your existing wiring in place, just move the jammer heads behind the bumper, grille, etc., attach our assemblies and route the fiber/lens to where you want to mount them (for instance, in the bottom two screw holes of your license tag frame).

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My goal it to stealth out a Cadillac SRX front and rear with 2 regular power LI heads (1F/1R) and this system. Now do I have your attention!!!!!

There will be nothing visible that you could possibly associate with a laser transponder system since this will be on a vehicle in a forbidden state. Also I have been told I can't cut the grille!!!

Interesting to say the least. I figured it'd be a matter of time before someone implemented the idea :) Hope everything works out for you all.

On that note, maybe now I could cut the number of jammer heads on the front of the Expy in half (from 5 to 2). :lol:

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Interesting to say the least. I figured it'd be a matter of time before someone implemented the idea :) Hope everything works out for you all.

On that note, maybe now I could cut the number of jammer heads on the front of the Expy in half (from 5 to 2). :lol:

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the heads still would have just as much power I don't think it would help to cut them I think it would hurt

Well, yea, I know. Technically, I think the G8 should be able to cover the front end power-wise. It's just I don't think it covers all of the front end, which is where I think this would help. At least it seems like it would help with the reception part of the equation.

Come to think of it, I'd still have to leave the ZR4s up front as they are the only thing providing Tru Speed "protection". :(

You guys rock! Sounds like things have taken a few turns since Feb!

my only question is what delay. I'm talking in ns added to the delay. This is the only area I would be afraid of. I would imaging this is why all the heads have the controller/jammer and sensing side of the circuit built in and not seperate modules. Becasue you are basically adding 6 feet total the the system how does that effect how fast it can respond? Good job anyway, I would like to see it in action.

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my only question is what delay. I'm talking in ns added to the delay. This is the only area I would be afraid of. I would imaging this is why all the heads have the controller/jammer and sensing side of the circuit built in and not seperate modules. Becasue you are basically adding 6 feet total the the system how does that effect how fast it can respond? Good job anyway, I would like to see it in action.

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A couple of nanoseconds though fiber. That's the total distance (2-3 feet, approximately) per unit.

Think about it this way.... if you mount your jammers 6 inches back, they continue to work fine. Put them on your hood a couple of feet back... they still work (provided the gun can see them). This has the same impact, timing wise... basically... not enough to impact jamming in our testing.