POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

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01-03-2006, 05:14 PM
Cave Bear

POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

I received a new Escort 8500 X50 for Christmas, and while I'm quite satisfied with it so far (I used an Escort Solo since 1995), but there is something I'm a bit concerned about.

One of the selling points for the X50 was it's capability for detecting POP radars (obviously, my old Escort did not have that). I enabled POP as soon as I got it, and ever since I've gotten POP alerts with well-nigh nauseating regularity.

As I understand it, POP readings can't be used to give you a ticket since it's duration is too short to be accurate, and that the lawman must immediately switch over to K or Ka (I assume the latter most likely) and lock on in order to get an accurate speed indication.

Thing is, not once have I gotten any other radar alert along with the POP. One would think that if Johnny Law had just painted me with his POP gun (and yes, if he had, in most cases I would be going over the speed limit to one degree or another), he would switch over to KA, laser or SOMETHING so as to nail me proper.

Is there an issue with the X50 in terms of POP false alarms, or other kinds of emissions setting it off?

Thanks...
01-03-2006, 05:20 PM
crazyVOLVOrob

What Revision do you have? Rev. 5?

The BEL and Escort both false POP alerts. Usually set off by Cobra radar detectors
01-03-2006, 05:23 PM
nomore55

Turn the POP off. It's intolerable.
01-03-2006, 05:26 PM
ES13Raven

Re: POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Bear

Is there an issue with the X50 in terms of POP false alarms, or other kinds of emissions setting it off?

No... Crappy craftsmanship by Cobra and other poorly designed detectors are setting your POP off. Take a look around for other drivers with radar detectors next time it goes off and I bet you can find them.

If you need POP detection without a lot of POP falses, I recommend the RX65 :wink:

I talk all about it here:
http://radardetector.net/RX65-has-it...-not-6434t.php
01-03-2006, 05:27 PM
Tick Magnet

Re: POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Bear

I received a new Escort 8500 X50 for Christmas, and while I'm quite satisfied with it so far (I used an Escort Solo since 1995), but there is something I'm a bit concerned about.

One of the selling points for the X50 was it's capability for detecting POP radars (obviously, my old Escort did not have that). I enabled POP as soon as I got it, and ever since I've gotten POP alerts with well-nigh nauseating regularity.

As I understand it, POP readings can't be used to give you a ticket since it's duration is too short to be accurate, and that the lawman must immediately switch over to K or Ka (I assume the latter most likely) and lock on in order to get an accurate speed indication.

Thing is, not once have I gotten any other radar alert along with the POP. One would think that if Johnny Law had just painted me with his POP gun (and yes, if he had, in most cases I would be going over the speed limit to one degree or another), he would switch over to KA, laser or SOMETHING so as to nail me proper.

Is there an issue with the X50 in terms of POP false alarms, or other kinds of emissions setting it off?

Thanks...

Well true they have to switch to k or ka after using pop to track your speed,but I doubt most will play fair and do that. If your driving and you get a pop alert with no k or ka band to follow. More than likely it could be a LEO using it down the road,behind you, from a side st. And the x50 is catching a reflect of a object. I onlly get maybe one or 2 falses on pop a week since I had mine.
01-03-2006, 06:18 PM
Eddieth3king

Re: POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ES13Raven

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Bear

Is there an issue with the X50 in terms of POP false alarms, or other kinds of emissions setting it off?

No... Crappy craftsmanship by Cobra and other poorly designed detectors are setting your POP off. Take a look around for other drivers with radar detectors next time it goes off and I bet you can find them.

If you need POP detection without a lot of POP falses, I recommend the RX65 :wink:

I talk all about it here:
http://radardetector.net/RX65-has-it...-not-6434t.php

ive been using the pop on my rx 65 and i havent falsed once yet!!!!!!

yes i said it, once..!!!

so i think in that case the rx 65 perfoms better than the x50 which seems to have a huge problem with pop falses (your not the first to complain)
01-06-2006, 02:37 AM
pemarsh

turned my pop off...it was literally just killing me!! (chicago area)
01-07-2006, 07:45 AM
insidercw3

POP falsing

The X50 is likely to false more in POP mode vs the RX65. The RX65 limits its Ka sweep to actual Radar bands, 33.8, 34.7, 35.5 GHz. I believe the X50 sweeps the entire Ka range all the time. To detect POP the units have to sweep Ka Lower, that would be 33.8 over and over and over. Since POP is so short a xmission...the only way to really alert on so short a signal is to abandon some or all of the Ka falsing rejection schemes. Or alert on anything that even resembles some signal energy.
Those of you that live in areas with POP are going to have to learn to live with some falsing. I never run POP, but it isn't known to be used where I live. I don't run it because of the false alerts. If you don't need it don't use it.
01-07-2006, 09:04 AM
happya$$

Happya$$ has POP turnd off on the X50 and the V1 and so should you. Happya$$ would not have it any other way since Happya$$ says that one has a better chance of getting struct by lighting than getting nailed with POP
01-07-2006, 11:18 AM
ES13Raven

Re: POP falsing

Quote:

Originally Posted by insidercw3

The X50 is likely to false more in POP mode vs the RX65.

I have both detectors, and this is true.

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The RX65 limits its Ka sweep to actual Radar bands, 33.8, 34.7, 35.5 GHz. I believe the X50 sweeps the entire Ka range all the time.

But this is not why it is true. The RX65 actually POP falses more using the USA / AccuSweep mode which only scans known police radar bands. My RX65 never POP falses using INTL mode.
01-07-2006, 12:36 PM
amoney

A POP alert does not mean that there is a real police presence, or use of a real POP radar gun.

Depending upon reflections/bounce, etc. just an ordinary K/Ka frequency can trigger the POP alert. POP alert is trying to detect those small/weak frequency that it is looking for. It can not tell the difference between a 67 ms frequency that is from a real POP radar gun or just another door sensor/crap detector that is reflecting/bounce in the form of a 67 ms burst.

It would be interesting to see on the frequency TECH display what the POP alert was picking up, obviously if you saw a POP alert combination with Ka, I would highly error on the side of better be safe than sorry, K band just sucks, it is so polluted, just like X band, thank goodness I just have to deal with one band K.

If an officer gave me a ticket, and I found out he had a POP radar gun, I would grill him in court so bad, there would be enough reasonable doubt regarding the operation of that radar gun that the judge would have to throw the case out.

My thoughts on POP, I just place it next to instant on, don't want to be up front by yourself, does not matter if you have a RD, it's too late if they instant on you, so whats the difference if your up front alone and speeding, and the LEO POPs you nothing, s hit happens. Have to drive reasonably smart. There are the circumstances that with a alert you can possible shave a few mph of your ticket, if you are alert enough to do so, and that could help in some form. And there is the facts that POP radar can be significantly off from the true mph, there by crucifying you with an undeserved penelty, but back to what I said above, if I found out I was given a ticket by a POP radar gun I would fight it in court and strongly believe I can have it thrown out.
02-07-2006, 05:57 AM
goofy173

POP is something to drink, not something to use on an X50
02-15-2006, 09:52 AM
Arashi666

I also think POP is a giant headache, nothing but falses all the time on my X50 cuz of Cobras and one time my buddy's X50 mounted 5 inches away
03-11-2006, 09:59 AM
proudNMAmember

RE: x50 POP falses

When I used to use the x50 w/blue display, the POP falsing was terrible. I sent it in to BelEscort, and when it came back, it had less falses in POP mode. But I also noticed the x band detection was less. I let the roomate use it for now. He loves the blue display!
03-11-2006, 10:45 PM
leadfoot

Quote:

Originally Posted by amoney

A POP alert does not mean that there is a real police presence, or use of a real POP radar gun.

Depending upon reflections/bounce, etc. just an ordinary K/Ka frequency can trigger the POP alert. POP alert is trying to detect those small/weak frequency that it is looking for. It can not tell the difference between a 67 ms frequency that is from a real POP radar gun or just another door sensor/crap detector that is reflecting/bounce in the form of a 67 ms burst.

It would be interesting to see on the frequency TECH display what the POP alert was picking up, obviously if you saw a POP alert combination with Ka, I would highly error on the side of better be safe than sorry, K band just sucks, it is so polluted, just like X band, thank goodness I just have to deal with one band K.

If an officer gave me a ticket, and I found out he had a POP radar gun, I would grill him in court so bad, there would be enough reasonable doubt regarding the operation of that radar gun that the judge would have to throw the case out.

My thoughts on POP, I just place it next to instant on, don't want to be up front by yourself, does not matter if you have a RD, it's too late if they instant on you, so whats the difference if your up front alone and speeding, and the LEO POPs you nothing, s hit happens. Have to drive reasonably smart. There are the circumstances that with a alert you can possible shave a few mph of your ticket, if you are alert enough to do so, and that could help in some form. And there is the facts that POP radar can be significantly off from the true mph, there by crucifying you with an undeserved penelty, but back to what I said above, if I found out I was given a ticket by a POP radar gun I would fight it in court and strongly believe I can have it thrown out.

I sure would like to know what you know. I was in Virginia on 17 i think it was.. late at night oh around 0200 almost to the highway when I was hit with instant on Ka. The cop did a flip, i was pulled over he asked for my registration license and my radar detector. i told him sorry but i don't have a radar detector. He asked why did i slow from 68 to 60 and there was noway i could of made out his car. lets just say i drive a vehicle that can gain speed going down a hill pretty fast and it was on a downgrade right there at the time i was going to have to break anyways. So, thats what i told him i had to break to control going down the hill. he went back to his car and gave me a ticket for the full 68mph. I asked him by the way did you ever get a Lock on me because if you did i sure would like to see it. he said no I sure didn't get a lock. i have an attorney hired threw one of these legal association things I'm a member of but who know how well they work out. first time in 2 years i have had to use them.

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As I understand it, POP readings can't be used to give you a ticket since it's duration is too short to be accurate, and that the lawman must immediately switch over to K or Ka (I assume the latter most likely) and lock on in order to get an accurate speed indication.

Just remember this "A cop will do whatever he wants if its legal or not"

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Happya$$ has POP turnd off on the X50 and the V1 and so should you. Happya$$ would not have it any other way since Happya$$ says that one has a better chance of getting struct by lighting than getting nailed with POP

Well its funny you say that its thunder storming outside my house right now with all kinds of lightning. i think i will step outside for a few to prove a point.

My opinion of this Radar detector as of yet?
3 month 40,000 mile, 48 state road test
Regular radar its fine in some cases out west with pretty nothing around I kid you not it did pick up from about 10 miles. just the occasional beep at first. Keep in mind this was nothing around but maybe desert.

In traffic and in suburban areas i will lower my rating but still satisfactory.
80mph driver you are? look for something else to go along with this or just a new period.

Laser
POOR
I drive all around this country get hit with all types of radar and laser .
In Atlanta GA have had cops on the side of the I285 shooting laser and nothing out of this detector not even a chirp. more then once this has happened. officer outside of his car with the laser gun up in his face looking there that little scope or what ever you want to call it.

Same thing in Michigan, Laser , Nothing not even a chirp
If it wasn't for the CB instant ticket.
Altough it did pick up a laser out north west somewhere just don't remember what state it was.
Poor against laser if you ask me
pretty good against standard radar
POP well if you read all of my post I think you have my opinion on that already.
03-11-2006, 11:51 PM
sethy

Quote:

Originally Posted by happya$$

Happya$$ has POP turnd off on the X50 and the V1 and so should you. Happya$$ would not have it any other way since Happya$$ says that one has a better chance of getting struct by lighting than getting nailed with POP

LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
03-12-2006, 01:46 AM
Iknox

Re: POP issue with new Escort 8500 X50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cave Bear

I received a new Escort 8500 X50 for Christmas, and while I'm quite satisfied with it so far (I used an Escort Solo since 1995), but there is something I'm a bit concerned about.

One of the selling points for the X50 was it's capability for detecting POP radars (obviously, my old Escort did not have that). I enabled POP as soon as I got it, and ever since I've gotten POP alerts with well-nigh nauseating regularity.

As I understand it, POP readings can't be used to give you a ticket since it's duration is too short to be accurate, and that the lawman must immediately switch over to K or Ka (I assume the latter most likely) and lock on in order to get an accurate speed indication.

Thing is, not once have I gotten any other radar alert along with the POP. One would think that if Johnny Law had just painted me with his POP gun (and yes, if he had, in most cases I would be going over the speed limit to one degree or another), he would switch over to KA, laser or SOMETHING so as to nail me proper.

Is there an issue with the X50 in terms of POP false alarms, or other kinds of emissions setting it off?

Thanks...

I live in H-town to :) i ride with pop off on my X50 best way to go around here plus Johnny Law dont have pop around here where i live another plus :wink:
03-15-2006, 03:57 PM
mundell22x50

I hate POP I got hits the minute i turned it on. Plus who in Oklahoma is going to have pop yet it took 10 years to get Electronic Drivers licenses