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Does the Escort X50 really have a scanning dot or was that a joke? Cause I really would think that would be a neat thing to have on the display when its inactive... call me strange.
Does it display only in the simple mode? Because I had an old 8500 and I used it in expert mode and don't ever remember any scanning dot.
Also... I'm looking for a detector for the wife. I don't want to get a v1 because of expense, which would you recommend the X50 or the Rx65?
Yes the x50 has a scanning dot.
Great feature :)
it does indeed. very very ammusing feature :lol: . i say X50. you should add a poll. "What detector should i get my wife" X50 or RX65
Yes it does and it is awsome i think it should be over rated to..
H. . . . . . . . . . .
my V1 has that feature all i have to do is turn it on and all the lights stay on till im done driving then turn it off :) :x
I like that little red DOT. Makes me think that little sucker is thinking (more like scanning.)
yup like its just looking for that cop deep in the tree's to the left coming up on that wide turn lol.
Arrows, over rated.. scanning dot? NEVER...Quote:
Originally Posted by Iknox
So its a lot that kinda goes from left to right and back Knight rider style?
it just goes from left>right. then starts over again, it doesnt go back left, thatd be awesome though too.
It is pretty cool I am always amused when I turn it on (like Navi said)... I love seeing the blue dot 'slipping' across the display.
It has an "A" "H" or "C" sort of like a 'super script' and then the dot sweeps left to right....Looks something like the following on the display in Highway mode:
H (small 'superscript' letter)
. . . . . . . . .
(Start)-->(End) and then just goes back to start.
It has no real purpose persay other then the obvious coolness factor it carries with it :lol:
Hehe I'm the one who got everybody started about the great dot! Down with arrows! Long live the dot! :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
All of us V1 guys should petition Mike V to make the little signal strength indicator be a knight-rider style back and forth dot when there are no signals being detected. :)
I would actually Love to see the V1 updated to have a big dotmatrix display covering the entire front end of the detector. I think that would end much of the complaints people have about it looking old fashioned.
I really do like the nice display on the x50 and rx65 and I love the talking on the rx65
that wouldnt be to bad
Iknox. . . . .
You have to turn the scanning dot on in the programming mode. It's a setting that's independent of the expert mode. You can set it to display C/H/A (city/highway/auto) or -/+/. instead of C/H/A as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
The purpose of the "dot" is to let you know the detector is on without being as obvious outside the car, sort of like a dark mode where the display still works.Depends. Do the LEOs use Ka more, or laser more? If laser, get the X50. If Ka, get the RX65. If you want a scanning dot, get the X50. If you want the detector to talk to you, get the RX65.Quote:
Also... I'm looking for a detector for the wife. I don't want to get a v1 because of expense, which would you recommend the X50 or the Rx65?
Most moving radar here is KA band. We also have lots of K band in use. And of course being in ohio, there is enough laser being used to make you feel like you are on Buck Rogers.
I would say the X50 for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
The X50 is outrageously good with its K-band protection.
Laser well X50 over the RX65 I would pick also.
As far as the Ka detection on the X50 I am not quite sure who was having really subpar Ka detection with the X50; mine (and all the ones I have used) seem to be great on Ka (now I dont think it meets its claims) but my last confirmed Ka encounter when I was using the X50 was a 1.2mile detection from a NYST using constant on...so thats more then decent in my book. (Maybe there are [were] just bad batches of them)
i tried useing the scanning dot :D but for me it drives me nuts and other words i dont like it gives me a headspin most of the time so its of for good. :lol:
Kpatz:
You mentioned that for laser I should go with the x50... but in videos I've seen on Outrun's page it seems like the Rx65 has better laser detection. Is there any test results you can point me to that compare the two detectors in terms of laser/ka and k performance?
Also, if you personally could have an Rx65 or an x50 assuming price was the same, which would you go for and WHY?
You should not base your decision on a detectors ability to detect laser... That is a distant last. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
Yeah, I realize that but the guy mentioned one detector had better laser performance than the other, I'm interested. Given the fact that they are similar in price and similar in abilities, I would perfer the one w/ better laser protection on the outside chance that like with my V1 I might pick up an indirect hit at night sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by ES13Raven
You are still missing the point though...Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
It is very unlikely that you will pick up an "indirect" hit with Laser, even with the V1... Chances are that if you are detecting a legitimate Laser hit, you are already busted if you are speeding unless you have a jammer.
Laser detection isn't really protection :wink:
Its a tossup for me. They both have their pluses and minuses. It all comes down to personal preference. Try each one out and then make your decision. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
Yeah true; unless you have veil and lasershield (minimum) on your wifeys car it really doesnt matter for laser detection...Quote:
Originally Posted by ES13Raven
Honestly its a toss up between the two...I just prefer the X50 over the RX65 its that simple... I have used the RX65 and didnt like it as much as the X50.
(Especially the X50blue)
With that said:
I would feel completey confident with either detector on my windshield, you cant go wrong either way.
Honestly as I have said before:
Its like picking between the LiterBikes these days:
CBR 1000RR
GSX-1000R
ZX-10R
Yami R1
It just doesnt matter which one.
Ok, now this is what I'm trying to get at. In the poll 10 people have replied x50 and 4 rx65.... now being a V1 user and having experienced the V1/x50 battles, I know often the answer is "the best detector is the one I own."Quote:
Originally Posted by AirMoore
You've now told me which you perfer, but could you tell me WHY you perfer it? Is it a subjective thing like the way that it looks or color of the screen or the tones? Or are we talking a matter of functionality, like you like the specdisplay or something on one but not the other.
OR are we talking some performance issue. (Airmoore, I know YOU said you think the performance is same I'm directing this to others as well).
Please let me know WHY you perfer the x50 over the rx65 or vice versa.
I own both and I lean towards the X50, mainly because of the Blue text display and the auto-mute works better.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
If the X50 only offered a Red text display, I would probably stay with the RX65. It's that close for me. :wink:
Reason why I prefer the X50:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
1) Blue Display (I like it much moreso then standard red)
2) Slanted face (Toward driver...following US standards)
3) ExpertMeter display able to show a little more info.
4) X50 Tones (when set on LOUD)
A few other small things also...but overall as you can see #'s1-3 are display issues.
As I said I dont have performance issues with either... I have found (from using them both) detections/alerts can go either way, each admitedly having a strong suit over the other... but it seems to even out overall.
What I like about the X50:
Blue LEDs
Angled Display
Scanning Dot
STD and Loud tones
Solid tones (not really a big deal)
What I like about the RX65:
USA and INTL Ka modes
Voice Alerts
Ku band ability
No POP falses in INTL mode
Threat Display (I would rather see a 6/9 etc. than a super small line graph. It would be the best if it did 2 Ks and 2 Kas etc.)
The KU is definitely interesting, as we might take the unit to china. But not too important.
I've looked at both user manuals now and seen the differences you've mentioned in threat display.
On my V1, I know how many threats are out there and the relative strength of the most dangerous.
On The x50, I guess I would know the number of threats and their relative strengths, albeit I'll have to get out my reading glasses and squint to make any sense of the info on the display.
On the Rx65
I know the relative signal strengh of the most "dangerous" signal, for three different bands.
So I guess each has it's advantage.
If I go with the x50 I'm giving up readability. If I go with the rx65 I'm essentially giving up my bogey count.
If I'm going through my local town where I have a false on K and x always present, my V1 would inform me of a cop by looking at the bogey count. The x50 might inform me of it if I happen to be looking at the screen close enough to count t he little bars next to K. The rx65 probably would not give me any warning (other than signal strength) that I should be extra carefull.
Then again, this is my wife's vehicle and I don't think she would use any of these displays anyway... hmmm arrgh so hard to decide.
This may be a long read but hear me out...because I feel people are incorrectly using the EXP display: This is a long read but I see so many posts about the small display and people thinking of it as hard to 'read' the signal strength it makes me think...why are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
I think people use the X50 EXP mode incorrectly because:
(I am not saying you 'lordhamster' don’t know how to use it correctly per say but hear me out:)
Many people focus on the fact that it is a small readout (which it is)...and say they cant count the 'signal strength'(each little dot) that is represented by each incoming signal... its just not how (to correctly use it). This partly goes hand in hand with being a good driver.
It is most effective when used as in the following(especially for beginners to the EXP display):
1st instance) To let you know an extra signal (who cares how strong) is present in your average(normal) false area.
EXAMPLE:
When you go through a known false area you turn it(EXP) on... (or heck leave it on all the time)...I can change it the EXP without thinking about it...no need to look at all.
Any case you are going through a known false area... and you simply remember what (false) signals you normally get (lets say on your way into work)... lets say 3 weak X, and 1 weak K.
Well whenever you go through that area if you have anything that differs from that (your normal) amount of incoming signals...you simply slow down, it just takes a glance for me... So if you go through that area and approaching it you see 2 K band signals.... who gives a f*** how strong they are slow down, it means that for some reason the detector is picking up an extra K signal that normally is not present in that area... and for Ka its even more so imperative to respond.
People seem to feel that they need to know how strong the signal is...when I first started using the EXP diplay if I saw any signal out of the ordinary (above 1or2 little ‘matrix dots’ depending on how daring I feel) I respond(ed) accordingly... I didnt sit and count the little dots (that are literally the size of the following period: ".") and think "hmm maybe its a real threat maybe not... I will take my chance even though the detector is telling me something odd is going on here".
After you get good with it (reading the display that is)..then you can worry about signal strength...right now(when you first start) learn how it can save your butt, then learn the little extras that can help give you more information when you get accustomed to the detector and the display...it will grow on good drivers.
Yeah it (the extra signal in the example above) may just be another false one doesn’t normally get or it may be an LEO ... either way I (anyone should) respond if anything is out of the ordinary, I honestly don’t have a problem with that. Granted now I am better accustomed to the detector I do pay attention to the relative strength of the signal because I have gotten good at understanding the display at a quick glance...its like 2nd nature I take a 1/4 second look at it when I check my RVM (which is often) and can understand what it (the EXP display) is conveying completely.
2) The next circumstance is when you are going through a upcoming 'your speed is sign'...people get so used to them even RD users they ignore them, so LEOs often sit right behind them running radar because they figure what the heck the RD user will chalk it up to the Speed Sign false.
WELL use your EXPmeter correctly folks...turn it on-which isn’t hard I had it down by memory the 3rd time I borrowed an x50 from someone; before I bought one (or leave it on always; either way it works).
What you look for is any signal outside the ordinary so lets say it is a K-band sign (or x it doesn’t matter) that gives off a strong signal and the LEO behind it is using K or Ka...well you will see one strong K(the speed sign) and who cares how strong the other K or Ka is ...the LEO may be angled to make it hard for the detector to pick up...point is REACT!! don’t read the relative flippin' signal strength, once you see an extra bogey an alert should go off inside you "something isn’t right" don’t try and decipher the dots my goodness what are you thinking.
3) Yet another correct use of the EXP meter is when you go through a heavily trapped area (IE the Thruway for New Yorkers)...sometimes the LEOs (NYST’s…some of the best) will be tricky and have literally 2 traps *within* a mile of one another... SO again use the EXP display... and if you start getting any extra signal from ones that you can’t identify from the last trap, well that is a good sign something goofy is up and don’t sit there and count little "." up on a scale...just plain old react.
4) Last is going into an area that you don’t know very well but see that their could be falses... What you want to do is be an aware driver (of your surroundings...which you should be anyways!) and just guesstimate how many signals you think you should get...
If you see 2 possible automatic doors yet you are receiving 2xband signals and 2k band... you should probably think (again without concern to strength) hmm I am only thinking there could be 2 doors in this area that could false this way on me...most likely the 2x bands and maybe one K . Heck ill say one k if there was a 3rd door I missed...but that extra unidentified K band signal (or 2) should tell you (no matter how weak) that its probably better to slow down maybe two LEO's are running K band units right by each other on opposite sides of the road or maybe there are 2 k band doors you haven’t seen but WHO CARES?… If you are reading the dots because by the time you see "oh 4 little ‘matrix dots’ its probably a pretty strong signal" it will almost certainly have changed... I am not saying focus all your driving attention to stores and automatic doors, but a quick glance of your surroundings is IMPERATIVE to quick reactions in an emergency situation so you should look elsewhere then straight ahead to stop the 'tunnel vision' most damn cagers have.
Now don’t get me wrong, the X50 and many other high end units have the processing now so that it displays what threat it(the RD) feels is most warranted of attention and gives the corresponding audio. (In STD display and SPEC display on the X50 for example)...so that also helps, but the EXPmeter is a useful display it just seems people are "reading" (no pun intended) to far into it...trying to count (every single) 'display led' no bigger then the period to follow.
When I first started using the EXPmeter it was odd to read...so I just said heck with it anything over 1 or 2 dots (over the very bottom) I react (that principle saved me one time)...
Now though I can look and within the 1/4ishsecond glance when I look at that before I check the RVM (again which I always do…checking your mirrors VERY often is imperative to being a good driver) well…I can now get pretty darn close just guessing how strong the strength is on the display because I am now accustomed to approximately how high the signal strength display is; just from using it correctly. Also people can try practicing guessing the dots (signal strength) at a stoplight in a false area, when I had nothing else to do at the stoplight (was still cautious of my surroundings)...Id guess (the strength) then look to see how close I was to the actual readout
ANYCASE point is I feel that people are incorrectly using the EXPertmeter and I find it to be a very effective tool, for the (good) driver that actually knows how to drive...
That means the following kinds of people/drivers have a hard time using the EXP display:
Those who try counting every dot for the signal strength (when by the time they 'read it' it will have changed), or ones don’t check their mirrors and don’t look at their surroundings at all; and feel keeping a laser vision on the road is key to safe driving (aka the tunnel vision cager).
I hope this helps some people know when to....and (how to) more effectively use the EXPertmeter display.
Being a V1 user, I agree that having a bogey count is far more important that knowing the relative signal strength. I have some questions about the X50Quote:
Originally Posted by AirMoore
In the Exp mode, will the display be blank until a signal comes in then show like K and the vertical graph? Or does it always say KA K X and just not show a bar when there is nothing?
The other question I have is what happens when another bogey is detected? In your example of the speed sign, once I've looked at the detector several times, I might see there is only one K band bogey out there. But what if all of a sudden the hidden cop shoots instant on at some cars ahead of me... is there some special beep or audio indication to make me look @ the detector and realize a new bogey has entered the area?
On the v1, a special "bogey lock" tone would sound in such a situation... I'm just curious how the x50 or even the rx65 handle that?
In regards to signal strength... if I get a KA hit on my v1 I always slow because 99% of the time its a cop.
With a K hit, I look at the strength because often stores are very weak K band hits whereas a cop is usually a much stronger K band hit... I've come to the point where I can tell cop from store based on hearing and looking at the V1 display. But again, the most important tools on the display are the Bogey Count and the Band IDs.
It will display whatever your so called 'Pilot' is:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
So if you are in 'HWY' pilot...not in darkmode it will display after turning on:
'Highway' until an alert comes up then it will display only the band(s) that are present... and the relative signal strength. It helps (in my mind) cut down on confusion... only displaying the bands that are present.
An example:
'Highway' across the display then it picks up two weak signals 1X,1K
The display would then show:
K(small or no vert. bar) X(small or no vert bar) -And you would hear the K band tone(raspy brap) at a 'low alert' like: "brap.........brap..........brap"
It depends, when another bogey is detected. It prioritizes the audio alerts accordingly:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
X<K<Ka (So if there is a weak X and weak K the K alert will sound; and the Ka alert sounds over the X and K)...
You will (should) know if a cop shoots instant-on lets say on K band (even if your getting 2X falses and 1 K already, because it will just from a (raspy) 'brap...brap...brap' from the weak K false to a 'BRAPBRAPBRAP' K alert and the vertical bar will skyrocket on one of the K's.
No its the only real downfall (IMHO) is that it doesnt have a special lock tone everytime an extra bogey comes up (if its of the same band)... so everytime another 'Ka' band signal comes up it wont go 'WAHHHHWHOOP' (that was my V1 bogey tone impression :lol: ...yes Ive used many V1's so I know what your saying)...Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
You will just know the extra band (if its a true LEO) because of the strength of the alert being so much more then a normal false and also it prioritizes the audio, so lets say its a Ka radar gun, the Ka sound would alert immediately (over lets say x or k falses that you are getting) you would also see the "Ka" with a vertical signal strength bar appear on the display and you should understand you need to slow down..its not as convientient bogey tone audio wise as the V1, but it displays more information wise. It is a trade off...I find after you get used to it; the extra information is very useful. (HOPEFULLY if Belscort is watching these forums for the next firmware maybe they could think *hint hint hint* about putting a chime or extra 'tone' in EXP mode for the bogey audio alert like the V1.)
This should be the same reaction with the X50 for you (or your wife).Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
This should be similair to what you should do on the X50 (or your wife) listen to the strength of the tone... what tone the x50 is prioritizeing remember X<K<Ka, and maybe a glance at the display.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster
You will also find just like the V1 that the X50 will pick up the signal sooner and at a heightened strength then your normal falses... which like you said (falses) are often weak compared to real alerts...So it shouldnt be anything different there.
Thanks for all the detailed answers airmoore. I appreciate your taking the time to sit down and really type out and properly explain everything for me.
Thanks! I'll probably go with the x50, unless anyone else has any reason I should go w/ the rx65 instead... speak now or forever hold your peace.
X50 BLUE! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by lordhamster