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Hey all,
I'm interested in picking up either a V1 or an Redline. I've done my homework so I know there both great RDs however I'm leaning towards the V1 since it has the arrows. It's also better at picking laser, but I know that doesn't help since its too late when you get tagged. Which one of the two to do you guys think is better at picking up I/O?
-Thanks
I/O probably V1 but the redline's range is absurd and off axis is amazing.
Thanks for telling me about the Redline's off axis detection, had no Idea about that, I might have to buy both lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Xedus129
take advantage of the Return Policies (30 days for each) and conduct your own test-drive for a couple weeks
now THAT's research :cool:
Another factor in your purchasing decision is if you use a iPhone or Android smartphone. RedLine is compatible with our new Escort Live smartphone app which, when wirelessly linked to your smartphone, will offer you the following features:
- Live Alerts, alerts from other Escort Live users
- TrueLock elimination of X and K false alerts
- Alerts to fixed location cameras from our Defender database
- Google maps of your surrounding area with speed limit data and Google traffic flow data
Personally, I won't take a chance on any delay for I/O. Too many saves because of the quick reaction time of the V1. And the good brakes on my motorcycle. :)
Either one is an excellent choice!
Where are you located? Are there I/O threats in your area? Is the area you commute to/from usually smooth and straight, or rough and hilly? These are some questions to keep in mind about the two detectors. Laser cannot be detected and will not save you. You will need jammers. The chances of picking up lidar with the V1 or any RD is likely the chances of winning the lotto. The V1 and RedLine are both high-end detectors and both should do you just fine. Even with I/O, the V1 cannot save you from it, but a rabbit would.
Read up on the forum, learn about rabbits, and how to spot LEO's before they spot you. Watch videos and learn learn learn.
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Originally Posted by milkman
Opps...
I have used the V1 for 18 years now, and will not change until another RD is proven to perform better for my area, Bama I/O Stalker. My 3.872 does pickup all laser shots so far because it is above the RVM with the laser hood reflections (no front tag) spread across the roof line, the V1 will alarm and has given early alarms to others getting shot also. The eyes have spotted all laser Leos parked sideways so far in FL and GA when in the cross hairs, not tagged yet. With the V1 set as a 2 priority volume setting RD, it is near perfect for I/O alarms with weak X/K at just a notice volume and Ka/laser at a knee jerk volume with the Ka guard off (POP on) mostly gives an instant alarm for I/O, you do not have to think. If traffic is around you, you can beat I/O when there is doubt in the Leos eyes, but you have to learn the limits of radar and how it works and use those failures of radar to your advantage, and know how to speed correctly. The arrows on the V1 are a must to have which gives me the information to exactly what is going on around me. The V1 is tops for me and I will not run anything else until something else is proven better for my needs. Not a V1 zombie but the V1 works where others will fail......
I own a V1 3.872. My range on it is not good on ka.... My main threats are c/o and i/o ka. I have had many see before detector goes off encounters. During these encounters there is still rampup which I take as indication it is not instant on. I have been hit with instant on before, it is like full volume all at once.
Many people here have V1 that perform much better than mine. That said, i sent mine back to valentine and they sent it back to me claiming it was fine. I have seen a redline perform, and it is unlike anything my V1 has ever done. that said, i have seen videos of V1s performing in ways my unit could never replicate.
In conclusion, get both then pick one, or keep both. You might get a dud V1, you might get a hot V1. You might decide you don't care bout arrows and that your terrain makes the off axis capabilities of the redline most important.
Both are great detectors. Both are going to have their fare amount of falses. In my area redline. 34.7 stalker only. Lots of freeway driving. If you do alot of freeway driving you will be happy with either or both. If you do alot of city driving you won't be happy with either( unless you buy the redline with the escort live). You would have to filter the detectors down so much that you might miss a real encounter. I ran a v1 for 13 yrs ,, now beltronics sti-r+.
I know running the Redline on "Auto" mode cut alot of false down also.I have both and love them I was thinking about selling one but it's hard to decide so I might just keep them both for now and see. I just send my V1 in for an upgrade so I will see how it.
Which one did you like for freeway driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by spartcus
if off axis is important to you redline (curvy roads)
if reactivity is important then v1 (instant on/quick trigger)
both will have plenty of distance on straight highways for you to slow down.
but the V1 is cheaper but it doesn't have as many features other then the arrows.
I have both and love them...I run both at the same time. I know most will say not to, but I like the SA the arrows provide and knowing how many potential threats are out there. What I have noticed running both is, The Redline will beat out the V1 on K band about 95 percent of the time and the V1 will beat out the Redline on KA band about 80 percent of the time. I have got so used to them being there it is hard not to run them together. A rabbit is a must and watch for brake lights ahead too. Most motorist will brake when they see a LEO, even if they are not speeding. BTW, off axis detection on the Redline is insane! Either way, they are both excellent detectors and I think you wouldn’t be disappoint in whatever you choose to drive with.
If your V1 is beating your RedLine around 80 percent of the time on Ka band, that tells me that your V1 is interfering quite a bit with your RedLine. I ran a 9500ci against several different V1s for 3.5 years and my 9500ci beat my V1s at least 80 percent of the time on Ka band. A Bel STi-R Plus would be a much better companion to your V1 than your RedLine is. The hood of your vehicle and the distance between your windshield and your front grille would eliminate the vast majority of the interference, letting your Belscort M3's ridiculous sensitivity shine through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jestr
Redline is the best detector for the twisty roads without a doubt. I had a huge Redline 34.7 save today in the mountains ... CHP came up from behind. It sucked that I did not know where he was like I would have with the V1, but the warning was sick, even from behind. No line of site whatsoever and rock walls. I knew he was there, just didn't know where.
ODG your ave is far too distracting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsidian
Yeah, that ave is ok but you never saw the one with the banana...............Quote:
Originally Posted by vbwilkesODG your ave is far too distracting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Obsidian
I'm getting sick and tired about people who have never run a Redline talking about its "slow" reaction time to I/O. That's pure BS. The RL does not do well on sub 1-second Q/T shots, but other than that due to its superior sensitivity, especially off-axis, it's an excellent RD.
If a V1 and RL got shot at the same time, the V1 will alert 1/2 to 3/4 of a second before the RL--that is, when the first chirp from the V1 is ending, the RL will start alerting. If you're speeding, this isn't even enough time to lift your foot off the skinny pedal, let alone brake.
However, the V1 has arrows and there is nothing like knowing where the threat is.
Nothing.
Agreed. I have run a slow reacting Belscort M3 and a V1 together for 3 1/2 years and the M3 has peformed better against I/O in the real world. Sensitivity is at least 80 percent of what makes a RD good. Reactivity is a nice feature to have, but it's not near as important as is sensitivity. That said, I'm now running an STi-R Plus that has the best of both and man, this thing is a BEAST!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swamp
Redline u get spec mode
I couldn't live without spec mode and all the features of the Redline
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Originally Posted by V70rWhich one did you like for freeway driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by spartcus
I put it on Highway mode.
Aside from the analyzing actual hardware differences you may want to factor in where you live and how your own local LEO's are actually operating. There are BIG differences with region.
For example, I'm convinced that a Redline is the best choice if your main threat comes from the CHP (in California) based on what I have learned about their various tricks over the years (hiding around curves etc..)
Also, keep in mind that NO detector is a substitute for plain common sense.
Bob
I just got and been testing Redline for a few days, mostly against K band signs, photo radars and one real KA C/O encounter. Redline alerts quite good on K and KA around the curve+hills with plenty of time to slow down from what I've seen so far, way beyond visual contact with radar source. No real X, I/O or laser encounters so far.
Haven't had any experience with V1.
Get the V1 unless you need (or want) stealth as it is 100 bucks cheaper and has arrows.
Now that you have heard both side are you confuse I will just try them both to see which one work for both are the best window RD?
I've had a Redline detector for some time now and I have been very impressed by its sensitivity. It is my fourth Escort radar detector and it definitely blows away all the previous models.
My previous blue Passport X50 soon became my "tail-gunner" after I purchased the Redline. I mention this because I have found having it as a "tail-gunner" to be a very useful addition (it functions like having V1 arrows).
However (and this is one of my big beef's with the Passport) it recently started doing the "Service Required" message - it's funny how nobody ever mentions reliability issues when comparing these things. So far my Redline has been OK but both of my previous Passports have done this "Service Required" nonsense and quite frankly I am really sick of it.
So, I am currently awaiting the arrival of my very first V1 (because I like the idea of having two detectors more and more).
I will run them both together for a while and then either the Redline or the V1 will become the new tail-gunner.
I feel that it is time to give the other guy a chance, IMO some of the reviews of the V1 vs Passport that I have read in the past were not at all being honest. It seems that it was only with the advent of the Redline that Passport could really compete with the V1. However I distinctly remember reading quite a few reviews in the past that said Passport (eg. X50) was as good as or even better than V1. This was not at all true until very recently!
So IMO, it is high time that I sent Mr. Valentine a few dollars instead of Escort and did my own set of real-life comparisons.
I do strongly suspect that Valentine has suffered in the past because the folks doing reviews then were often also associated with stores and while they could have made a profit from selling an Escort they couldn't make anything if someone decided to buy a V1. I also strongly suspect that certain of the reviewers were actually affiliated with Escort.
Now that probably isn't still true since Redline actually compares very favorably with V1.
So, I will do my own V1 vs Redline tests and probably post my own findings in the next few months.
BTW, I do think that the V1 arrows if they work OK will be a fantastic addition. Personally I have often been in a position with my Redline screaming at me where I am wondering where the heck Mr. LEO is and turning my head all around trying to figure that out. Yes - it matters and you can't always figure it out from how the signal manifests.
Bob
I have noticed the same thing you have. The Redline is the only detector Escort has made that has stood up to my V1. It actually exceeds it in sensitivity in some areas. I am quite pleased with the Redline at this time, however I really am anxious for Escort to release an update that allows BS and RDR options that will allow it to actually pick up QT hits (this is a reality where I live, and in spite of some previous posts here...the Redline FAILS to pick them up and it IS a big deal to those of us who have to deal with it).
Excellent...Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
There is no trumping the arrows period. That said...
1) the original Escort directions spent some time discussing the recognition of radar from the rear and the detection aspects of it. Not sure if they still do. I have had a NIB Redline for 2 weeks now and will have to take a look.
2) A great (MT I think) article on the Aston Martin Lagonda had these 2 guys running the original Escort in the front and back, essentially doing the same thing. Maybe the best if pricy of both worlds.
I really tired of hearing that if you get hit with laser your tagged. That is just not true!
Many,many times this summer I was hit with laser once , twice, three times then see the LEO shooting me.
Understand this is not every time , but a heck of a lot more than never. I use the V1 and have used escorts as well. In my testing they are not even close on laser.
Also I have not seen any time where the Laser gun is pointing at me and my V1 was not going off. And I'm mounted up by visor.
Mike
My new V1 arrived today and I spent more than a couple of hours driving around comparing it to my Redline.
All I can say so far is wow! Anyone who said that the arrows were a gimmick was either smoking something or on Escort's payroll. This thing rocks!
Now I do feel that I have been a little duped in the past by some clever Escort marketing.
Based on what I have read I also expected to be driven insane with false alarms. Also not true - it is VERY comparable to my Redline.
So far the V1 picked up one Ka encounter that my Redline completely missed. But generally they are very close (I disabled POP on the V1).
Lucky for Escort that I have already owned my Redline for ages or I might keep the V1 and return the Redline.
I'll do a full report later after I have had more experience with the V1 - but so far I am liking it. A lot!
Your V1 is interfering with the RedLine causing it to alert late or miss alerts. Due to it's stealth design the RedLine will probably not intefere with the V1 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
Early days in my comparison but in most cases they seem to be very close and I have been unable (so far) to confirm that there is any noticeable interference (at all) with them individually either on or off.
So the V1 is better shielded from external interference you are saying?
All joking aside (and yes this is becoming a bit of a bad joke with me now) you may find this guys view of history interesting...
Radar Detector Reviews
I have to say that this page has the definite ring of truth to me as I also saw some of these reviews in the past myself - partly why I originally decided to get a Passport in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, the Redline is excellent. But how some people can sleep at night after what they did in the past to Mr. Valentine amazes me!
excellent!!
I just bought a redline because of Some VA driving needed but so far in filtered urban runs (less than 60 Mi.,)
detection is a wash. Great link in this thread...
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Originally Posted by Varactor
Sorry but not necessarily true. There is resaprosity in transmission systems and it cannot emit w/o rx and vs versaQuote:
Originally Posted by EscortRadarYour V1 is interfering with the RedLine causing it to alert late or miss alerts. Due to it's stealth design the RedLine will probably not intefere with the V1 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
ive had a redline for around a year and it has always been there for me giving me great alert and i just decided toget my dad a v1 for his new car so i guess that will be the test i cant wait to have arrows because of the extreme range with the redline when im in town i cant tell where the cop is he could be three blocks over with the redline