I/O Incident & General Questions...

Hello everyone, I am new to RD.net and RDs in general. For those of you who do not check the Introduction board, I recently received a Cobra 9970G as a gift. I've been using it for about a week now, but due to weather conditions and I guess just general things I really haven't been able to test it a lot. Only around the local area. I travel a lot. I stay on I-26 and I-95 constantly with a lot of backroad highways in the great state of South Carolina! I have only received 3 tickets for speeding over, granted one was dropped. All 3 were for 15 and under and were written for 9 over. So I am a casual speeder for the most part. Although it is not rare to see me going upwards of 20 over on the interstate. (I.e. 90 in a 70 depending on area and traffic around me) Although I do try to keep a 15mph over max. I am currently in school to become a rotary wing pilot.

Here's an I/O incident that actually happened a few nights ago, and I have some questions about I/O in general. Was making a turn onto a two-lane road and saw a pair of headlights coming my way maybe a mile out. RD was not sounding off and it was around 2am so I figured any cop at that hour would be using C/O just because it's easier? Sure enough, within maybe 50 yards of me, my RD Ka-band went crazy and it was a county! Good thing I had just turned onto the road because I was only doing 5 over when he clocked me and was accelerating so I let off. My question is, do I/O-hungry LEOs always wait until they're within 50 yards to clock you or is it usually done with more time to react? Is there really any way to beat an I/O? Once your RD goes off, do you slam on brakes and try to slow or what? I've also heard that sitting LEO's who I/O are the most dangerous. I've never seen a sitting LEO who I/O's. Seen a few that C/O and there's always those trooper units who sit on the side of I-20 with lasers.

I've turned off X-Band in the city, and make K-Band auto mute after one hit in the city as well. X-Band wasn't really a problem, but EVERYTHING sets off this K-Band. Is there any way to find out what band my local units use? Is that public information? I read that Lexington county uses X-Band, but I've yet to see one. (Then again, I've only been past a few) Haven't passed by a Richland county yet.

POP Detection....I turned this on for the first time yesterday. While sitting at a redlight, POP went off at max strength yet there was no LEO around. Odd? What exactly is POP and is it a type of radar? Is it similar to I/O?

False Ka-Bands. What would cause an RD to read a false Ka hit? Theres one spot that always hits Ka, but nothing's there!




Thanks for everything guys. I did look around before posting this, but didn't find answers. I did find answers actually, lots of good stuff, just not to these. Thanks again! :)

sure they often do it up close and personal depending on the traffic ahead of you and if your one of the few on the road.

Do you know WHY?

Often to scare the sh-T out of you that's why ! :)

If your the only person on the road and a leo has decided to I/o you there isn't much one can do. Slamming on the brakes just makes it that more obvious you have a detector.

Better to let off the gas and coast down to a more reasonable speed.

sound more like as you turned ONTO the road you detector picked up the on-coming leo

Not I/o

were your traveling straight down the road when your detector went off or making the turn at the time ?

turn off POP as it's a rare as a virgin in a truck stop diner and just leads to random off falses

I sent you a Pm did you get it yet ? :)

BTW many store door openers are now k-band. :(

Right, I learned after my first speeding ticket never to slam on brakes. :D No, it had to have been an I/O hit. Once I turned onto the road, the LEO was still a mile or so down the road heading straight at me. It was not until he was <50yards away did my Ka-Band sound off at max strength.

So POP is rare? Yeah, it was off by default when I started up the unit. I just turned it on...well...I'm not sure why I turned it on. :P

Yes I got your PM, thanks.

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Right, I learned after my first speeding ticket never to slam on brakes. :D No, it had to have been an I/O hit. Once I turned onto the road, the LEO was still a mile or so down the road heading straight at me. It was not until he was <50yards away did my Ka-Band sound off at max strength.

So POP is rare? Yeah, it was off by default when I started up the unit. I just turned it on...well...I'm not sure why I turned it on. :P

Yes I got your PM, thanks.

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yes, no worry about POP whatsoever. turning it on just leads to many false alarms.

leos just LOVE to mess with your head.

They know very well many motorists pack detectors and have many ways to drive you crazy.

one is what you experienced which they love to do AT NIGHT most of all.

another is turning on their radar as they just start to crest a hill or go around a blind curve

they catch many a unwary detector user there.

Which is why I was even skeptical on getting an RD. I researched quite a bit before asking for one, and saw that I/O is so easy for LEO's to use now that that's what is catching people. That being said, I feel as if until RD's are able to detect radars on "stand-by" mode alone, there's still a pretty good chance at getting caught speeding, even with an expensive V1. Or is my thinking off?

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Which is why I was even skeptical on getting an RD. I researched quite a bit before asking for one, and saw that I/O is so easy for LEO's to use now that that's what is catching people. That being said, I feel as if until RD's are able to detect radars on "stand-by" mode alone, there's still a pretty good chance at getting caught speeding, even with an expensive V1. Or is my thinking off?

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oh don't get me wrong detectors can be very useful indeed but they have a whole lot of limitations too. :(

One can mitigate these limitations to a certain extent with proper, eye ball first, driving techniques that give one some advantage but a police officer that knows how to properly wait with his radar on stand-by for the best pray will still get his man.

fortunately most leos are lazy in this regard as they have more speeders then they can shake a stick at and are not very interested in ambushing us detector users.

But this isn't always the case.

So in your opinion, LEOs that use C/O (or C/W, whatever y'all call it here) outweigh the tryhards that use mainly I/O?

Oh god, I forgot to ask this in the OP. (So many acronyms on this forum! :D) I've always used this rule of thumb when driving on the interstate. On all of I-26 and many parts of I-95 there are middle dividers. Most of which is that re-enforced wiring. I feel pretty safe doing 20 over during the day because I feel as if as long as I keep an eye out on my side of the interstate (looking for LEO's ahead and behind) that even if a passing LEO clocks me, he cannot do anything for he cannot cross over to pull me (on 26, there are NO cross over paths for LEOs) nor can he really call in a nearby unit because they are probably pretty far away. Is this a flawed way of thinking as well, and I've just been getting lucky the past few years?

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......Leos always wait until they're within 50 yards to clock you......is it usually done with more time to react?........Is there really any way to beat an I/O?......Once your RD goes off, do you slam on brakes and try to slow or what?....sitting LEO's who I/O are the most dangerous......Is there any way to find out what band my local units use?.......read that Lexington county uses X-Band......POP and is it a type of I/O?......What would cause an RD to read a false Ka hit?.....

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Leos can get you as far ways as they can see you in traffic with the fastest display, with the target display being the strongest/first in line target on a 2 display unit.....Your 100 yard hit was due to a slow RD that alarmed 2-4 seconds after he hit you, called slow RD filtering......Mostly to late to react with a Cobra, cannot turn off the filtering......One can have a chance to beat I/O under certain conditions mostly with an unfiltered RD helps........A full scale hit, you gamble (even with a slow Cobra) and hope leaving marks on the pavement only under safe conditions (nobody behind on a dry road), maybe the Leo will screw up someway (stay in traffic and use 2 rabbits)......A sitting Leo with lidar or I/O is almost deadly everytime if you are targeted........Does your Cobra have a freq meter? On the average, 34.7 Stalker is black face cans and mostly everything else is white face cans (33.8 MPH, 35.5 Kustom, 35.5 Decatur). Look in the area radar in your town secton and see what towns have what in SC......Reported Lexington and Greenville has X band. There maybe more. Use X band and see....POP is a sample mode by MPH models 33.8 BEE, 33.8 Enforcer, K band Z hand guns. No ticket can be issued by POP but it is a free warning that I/O is a couple of seconds away....A hit is an instant signal targeted for somebody. A weak signal is not a hit persay.....Cobras will false from several things......

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So in your opinion, LEOs that use C/O (or C/W, whatever y'all call it here) outweigh the tryhards that use mainly I/O?

Oh god, I forgot to ask this in the OP. (So many acronyms on this forum! :D) I've always used this rule of thumb when driving on the interstate. On all of I-26 and many parts of I-95 there are middle dividers. Most of which is that re-enforced wiring. I feel pretty safe doing 20 over during the day because I feel as if as long as I keep an eye out on my side of the interstate (looking for LEO's ahead and behind) that even if a passing LEO clocks me, he cannot do anything for he cannot cross over to pull me (on 26, there are NO cross over paths for LEOs) nor can he really call in a nearby unit because they are probably pretty far away. Is this a flawed way of thinking as well, and I've just been getting lucky the past few years?

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middle dividers are indeed very good and your right.

partially

Just be aware that police in these locations "may" sit on your side of the road on the shoulder behind a rise in the road or other obstruction with their back radar antenna clocking traffic coming up on them from the rear. :)

this depends.

In this area police may not use radar at all because of the divider and if the shoulder is a narrow one.

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......Leos always wait until they're within 50 yards to clock you......is it usually done with more time to react?........Is there really any way to beat an I/O?......Once your RD goes off, do you slam on brakes and try to slow or what?....sitting LEO's who I/O are the most dangerous......Is there any way to find out what band my local units use?.......read that Lexington county uses X-Band......POP and is it a type of I/O?......What would cause an RD to read a false Ka hit?.....

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Leos can get you as far ways as they can see you in traffic with the fastest display, with the target display being the strongest/first in line target on a 2 display unit.....Your 100 yard hit was due to a slow RD that alarmed 2-4 seconds after he hit you, called slow RD filtering......Mostly to late to react with a Cobra, cannot turn off the filtering......One can have a chance to beat I/O under certain conditions mostly with an unfiltered RD helps........A full scale hit, you gamble (even with a slow Cobra) and hope leaving marks on the pavement only under safe conditions (nobody behind on a dry road), maybe the Leo will screw up someway (stay in traffic and use 2 rabbits)......A sitting Leo with lidar or I/O is almost deadly everytime if you are targeted........Does your Cobra have a freq meter? On the average, 34.7 Stalker is black face cans and mostly everything else is white face cans (33.8 MPH, 35.5 Kustom, 35.5 Decatur). Look in the area radar in your town secton and see what towns have what in SC......Reported Lexington and Greenville has X band. There maybe more. Use X band and see....POP is a sample mode by MPH models 33.8 BEE, 33.8 Enforcer, K band Z hand guns. No ticket can be issued by POP but it is a free warning that I/O is a couple of seconds away....A hit is an instant signal targeted for somebody. A weak signal is not a hit persay.....Cobras will false from several things......

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So as far as the I/O, it was more like he started tagging me much further down, but I did not receive an alert for Ka until he was right up on me? And this is due to slow filtering? Can you explain to me how much the time difference is between a Cobra and say a popular Escort? As far as how long it takes from the time the RD detects the signal to the time it alerts. No, my Cobra does not show what the frequency is. Exactly what is the importance of knowing the frequency anyway? That even sounds like an ignorant question, but I'm asking anyway! :P

I'm aware that the article says Lexington uses X Band. How old is that information though? Lexington has bought a LOT of new cars and equipment lately including 2012 Chargers and now a few traffic cops are driving Cameros around! I keep X and K on mute while in the city, but not disabled. Ka of course is always on, and Ka is the only hit I've gotten from Lexington LEOs.

So would you recommend keeping POP on? Just in case, yeah?

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So in your opinion, LEOs that use C/O (or C/W, whatever y'all call it here) outweigh the tryhards that use mainly I/O?

Oh god, I forgot to ask this in the OP. (So many acronyms on this forum! :D) I've always used this rule of thumb when driving on the interstate. On all of I-26 and many parts of I-95 there are middle dividers. Most of which is that re-enforced wiring. I feel pretty safe doing 20 over during the day because I feel as if as long as I keep an eye out on my side of the interstate (looking for LEO's ahead and behind) that even if a passing LEO clocks me, he cannot do anything for he cannot cross over to pull me (on 26, there are NO cross over paths for LEOs) nor can he really call in a nearby unit because they are probably pretty far away. Is this a flawed way of thinking as well, and I've just been getting lucky the past few years?

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middle dividers are indeed very good and your right.

partially

Just be aware that police in these locations "may" sit on your side of the road on the shoulder behind a rise in the road or other obstruction with their back radar antenna clocking traffic coming up on them from the rear. :)

this depends.

In this area police may not use radar at all because of the divider and if the shoulder is a narrow one.

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Right, the worst scenario I've thought of is coming off of a hill or a very rare turn and see one sitting on the right shoulder. (The left shoulder is far too narrow, and I've never seen an LEO sit in the median***when there's a divider) Because I am doing 20 over, I would of course be in the far left lane so his radar would have to go through multiple lanes of cars to get my speed which I don't see happening. (Yes, I use 'rabbits' all the time)

I've only seen laser use once. Very rare around here it seems. NC State Troopers were doing people dirty when I crossed the border on 95 a few weeks ago. NCSP SUV was sitting on top of an overpass with a laser mount while SIX LEOs waited to be called in down the road. I was like...mother of God. :|

EDIT: Why did this post not require authorization, but my reply to Bama's did? Hmmm...

Exit ramp ons (overpass lidar), unmarked Leos, VASCAR in the air, eyes eyes and eyes! $389 for a Cobra? Wow! One member bought one because it could do many things, bells and whistles. I guess to play with it, a bad performer unit for sure. Don't speed over 9 with this Cobra, a ticket magnet for it has a short/medium detection range and cannot detect I/O very good to save you, nor lidar well.......

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......I would of course be in the far left lane so his radar would have to go through multiple lanes of cars to get my speed which I don't see happening.........

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I do! Fastest display, it is easy!

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Exit ramp ons (overpass lidar), unmarked Leos, VASCAR in the air, eyes eyes and eyes! $389 for a Cobra? Wow! One member bought one because it could do many things, bells and whistles. I guess to play with it, a bad performer unit for sure. Don't speed over 9 with this Cobra, a ticket magnet for it has a short/medium detection range and cannot detect I/O very good to save you, nor lidar well.......

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Actually got this one for $240 shipped. I thought it was a solid deal for a first RD.

After receiving the 3 speeding tickets that I did, I began to study heavily what to do if you want to speed and what will get you pulled and what to look for in general. I figured out the 9 over thing after my first ticket. Unmarked cars in the state of SC are very limited. There are no unmarked State Police cars. They only use marked Vics and Chargers. VASCAR is not used here. From what I've read, LIDAR will screw you regardless unless your RD went off on another car getting targeted. But once your car gets targeted by LIDAR and your RD goes off, the LEO already has your speed. On top of this, I personally have only seen LIDAR one time. I did pick up a C/O Ka band from over a mile out the first day I had it. County was sitting on the side of the road around a bend. So I can question the validity of your information concerning the "limited" range of this unit.

Yeah, I see what you're saying with fastest display. Maybe I have just been getting lucky by never seeing a sitting LEO on my side.

Laser will nad anybody 99% of the time, but one can get lucky! Limited range, remember no RD is good enough. The RD needs to be fast to be able to pick up the spikes or tail end of an I/O (plus alarm fast to brake when hit up close). Example, a certain RD claims to be the longest range RD, but the catch is, can it catch a spike of an I/O? The answer is mostly not very good because it filters the signal so much that it will fail detecting that signal, proven by many users and failed test by groups. That is why the STIr+ and V1 is so popular, plus the Bel RX65 old unit but has less range. One must be able to detect the I/O far out in order to have a total save. One is not 100% safe, but you lessen that chance by all means in getting caught...

I guess I need to go ahead and say this.

No, I did not buy a more expensive higher-end RD such as an Escort or V1. I got what I thought was a solid first-time RD. Something that even if it did not have military grade detecting software, like some people like to claim their V1 has, I would still be able to use it as a neat gadget. I have what I have, a Cobra. I hope to be welcomed here and learn side-by-side with other model owners. I hope this isn't going to be a normal thing were any question I have regarding RDs are just re-directed to the fact that I have a Cobra and therefore irrelevant to what I do. That's ridiculous.

Bama, you seem like a knowledgeable guy. So I'm not directing this at you in any type of harsh manner, just for anybody that's browsing that says, "Eh, he owns a Cobra. I should point out how bad Cobra's are." I get it, they're not $500+ RDs, but they essentially do the same thing.

Oh! Don't use you RD in VA or DC. A VG2 can pick the 9970G up at a distance around 1060 ft and a Spectre can see it at 1320 ft......

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Laser will nad anybody 99% of the time, but one can get lucky! Limited range, remember no RD is good enough. The RD needs to be fast to be able to pick up the spikes or tail end of an I/O (plus alarm fast to brake when hit up close). Example, a certain RD claims to be the longest range RD, but the catch is, can it catch a spike of an I/O? The answer is mostly not very good because it filters the signal so much that it will fail detecting that signal, proven by many users and failed test by groups. That is why the STIr+ and V1 is so popular, plus the Bel RX65 old unit but has less range. One must be able to detect the I/O far out in order to have a total save. One is not 100% safe, but you lessen that chance by all means in getting caught...

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Right, so you're saying that the higher-end RDs can pick up trail ends of I/Os which in turn will let the driver know there is an LEO waiting ahead. How long do you think I/Os last? 4-5 seconds? Shorter? I'm just figuring out how close I have to be to pick up an I/O. Obviously, I was screwed the other night if I was speeding. And that is what I believed to be an I/O.

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Oh! Don't use you RD in VA or DC. A VG2 can pick the 9970G up at a distance around 1060 ft and a Spectre can see it at 1320 ft......

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Really? According to EVERY site I come across, the 9970G is completely immune to VG-2. I hear Spectre IV is hard to beat by any model. Not that it matters since I do not plan on visiting VA or DC anytime soon.

I take what I said back, obviously my 9970G does indeed display the frequency. I just need to figure out how...because I've yet to see a frequency. What's the importance of frequency? Also it detected a train today? Haha

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.....but they essentially do the same thing.......

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No problem! This info is not to hurt your feelings nor directed toward you, it is to teach other vistors, don't buy a Cobra! Yourself and other do not know that performance is a must! The public needs to be told the truth for when they buy these under performers, they come to the forum and ask why did I get a ticket with a RD! You are welcomed with open arms and be free to input and say what you wish for all to learn. Like me, I don't take pride in a product, but only try to help others on how not to get a ticket for that is the main purpose. I'm sure in time you will purchase a better unit, keep your head high for your on the right track! Drive safe.....The answer, no, they do not do essentially do the same thing for many cannot grasp that concept! Performance is everything!.....

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I take what I said back, obviously my 9970G does indeed display the frequency. I just need to figure out how...because I've yet to see a frequency. What's the importance of frequency? Also it detected a train today? Haha

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Freq tells you the maker of the radar or lidar unit! I posted that above on radar units. The train thing is a sensor which has to do with the speed of the train one member reported...

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Oh! Don't use you RD in VA or DC. A VG2 can pick the 9970G up at a distance around 1060 ft and a Spectre can see it at 1320 ft......

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Really? According to EVERY site I come across, the 9970G is completely immune to VG-2. I hear Spectre IV is hard to beat by any model. Not that it matters since I do not plan on visiting VA or DC anytime soon.

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I thought I saw it tested some where, so I found it on SML test on the web. Look it up Speed Meaurement Lab or something like that.....

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I take what I said back, obviously my 9970G does indeed display the frequency. I just need to figure out how...because I've yet to see a frequency. What's the importance of frequency? Also it detected a train today? Haha

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Freq tells you the maker of the radar or lidar unit! I posted that above on radar units. The train thing is a sensor which has to do with the speed of the train one member reported...

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Right, I see that now. Must have went over my head at the time. What are you referring to when you say "black face cans"? So frequency tells you the make of the Radar/Laser, but what's the importance of knowing that? I think the train thing was the safety alert being active. A big 'RR' sign popped up on the screen and it said 'Train Approaching' I just thought it was cool it could tell me something like that.

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.....Right, so you're saying that the higher-end RDs can pick up trail ends of I/Os which in turn will let the driver know there is an LEO waiting ahead......... How long do you think I/Os last? 4-5 seconds? Shorter? I'm just figuring out how close I have to be to pick up an I/O. Obviously, I was screwed the other night if I was speeding. And that is what I believed to be an I/O.

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Yes! That is why detection distance is very important.......Common I/O is around 4-5 seconds like you stated. He will rehit if needed or just leave the unit on......With a slow RD on a 4-5 I/O, your RD may alarm for 1-3 seconds, 2-4 seconds after the initial signal started. One problem is that the Leo sees your high speed for atleast 3-4 seconds before your slowing, thus he is assured that your should get that ticket if he can determine with his eyes that you are the fastest auto (or targeted).....A lot of filtered RDs can miss I/O because the algs of the program thinks that it is a false, this is rare but happens (I will send you a pm on this).....Yes, you were 99% screwed......It was an I/O.....

No 33.8 Ka MPH Guns, might can turn off POP....35.5 is a tight beam, brake quicker for it is harder to pick up.....34.7 DSR2 Stalker can be same lane......Yes, the train signal also could be a safety thing. It might be having to do with something with the wheels and the controls, cannot remember.....

OH! The train signal is a signal reading the wheel speed for the controls to work to make sure that the wheels are not spinning, but getting traction by applying the right amount of power. I think that is right. That is what a member that worked on trains reported one time.....(K band)

I cant believe cobras cost that much! i thought the whole point of a cobra is its dirt cheap lol. You should of got a SE whistler for your first detector. But the point of having a good detector is it can detect a LEO using IO on a car miles and miles ahead of you so you can slow down before your in the crosshair. id agree the average amount of time that a LEO bursts IO is around 5 seconds depending on if he is stationary or moving and depending on traffic. on a side note the trains in my local city actually use laser for when trains are crossing the roads. the pulse per second is always all over the place too. but its way to high to be confused with a LEO. i thought that was interesting.

This Cobra with the screen and all of the bells and whistles impresses the new borns! LOL.....

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.....Right, so you're saying that the higher-end RDs can pick up trail ends of I/Os which in turn will let the driver know there is an LEO waiting ahead......... How long do you think I/Os last? 4-5 seconds? Shorter? I'm just figuring out how close I have to be to pick up an I/O. Obviously, I was screwed the other night if I was speeding. And that is what I believed to be an I/O.

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Yes! That is why detection distance is very important.......Common I/O is around 4-5 seconds like you stated. He will rehit if needed or just leave the unit on......With a slow RD on a 4-5 I/O, your RD may alarm for 1-3 seconds, 2-4 seconds after the initial signal started. One problem is that the Leo sees your high speed for atleast 3-4 seconds before your slowing, thus he is assured that your should get that ticket if he can determine with his eyes that you are the fastest auto (or targeted).....A lot of filtered RDs can miss I/O because the algs of the program thinks that it is a false, this is rare but happens (I will send you a pm on this).....Yes, you were 99% screwed......It was an I/O.....

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SLOW? well not actually as it appears Cobra's do fine in the I/o mode.

Roll the video tape please. :)

Bel STi-R Plus and Cobra XRS-9990 vs Instant-On Stalker Radar - YouTube

Another fun video.

Just be aware here that the Cobra in this video is mounted significantly lower on the windscreen which definitely has a significant effect on range and radar pick up in hilly terrain.

something this video producer didn't know. :)

Valentine One vs. Cobra XRS 9960G - YouTube

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Another fun video.

Just be aware here that the Cobra in this video is mounted significantly lower on the windscreen which definitely has a significant effect on range and radar pick up in hilly terrain.

something this video producer didn't know. :)

Valentine One vs. Cobra XRS 9960G - YouTube

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He clearly didn't know about radar detector interference either! That poor V1 has a tough life being blasted with cobra leakage lol.

Freq display - Lets say you get a Ka alert and it reads 33.6.. it is most likely a false alert (Cobra, they are horrible emitters and will be in that range normally) If it says 33.8 or 35.5.. you can bet it is real alert. Learn Freqs in your area like door openers and locations, and radars used to help you interpret real from fake alerts.

Range - Not picking on Cobra just because it is a Cobra but range gives you a chance to pick up a I/O shot on a rabbit in front of you. Straight roads you will do OK but throw a corner or a hill in there and a slight increase detection performance means everything to get that alert!

Your on the right track, you are interested in RD and how to use it to your benefit, you have come to a forum to learn, and taking criticism well. Remember we are not raggin on you because of what you have, we want to to understand it's limitations. Don't believe us, go look at any comparison testing done.

I do not have the "best" either but it works for me and yours will serve a purpose for you too. I can tell you though however, this kind of stuff gets addictive.

Welcome..

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Another fun video.

Just be aware here that the Cobra in this video is mounted significantly lower on the windscreen which definitely has a significant effect on range and radar pick up in hilly terrain.

something this video producer didn't know. :)

Valentine One vs. Cobra XRS 9960G - YouTube

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He clearly didn't know about radar detector interference either! That poor V1 has a tough life being blasted with cobra leakage lol.

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This actually works the other way.

I have a V1 that sets off a newer Cobra detector I bought to fool around with. In fact the cobra is set off from Bell detectors too and not the other way around. ;)

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Freq display - Lets say you get a Ka alert and it reads 33.6.. it is most likely a false alert (Cobra, they are horrible emitters and will be in that range normally) If it says 33.8 or 35.5.. you can bet it is real alert. Learn Freqs in your area like door openers and locations, and radars used to help you interpret real from fake alerts.

Range - Not picking on Cobra just because it is a Cobra but range gives you a chance to pick up a I/O shot on a rabbit in front of you. Straight roads you will do OK but throw a corner or a hill in there and a slight increase detection performance means everything to get that alert!

Your on the right track, you are interested in RD and how to use it to your benefit, you have come to a forum to learn, and taking criticism well. Remember we are not raggin on you because of what you have, we want to to understand it's limitations. Don't believe us, go look at any comparison testing done.

I do not have the "best" either but it works for me and yours will serve a purpose for you too. I can tell you though however, this kind of stuff gets addictive.

Welcome..

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Actually newer Cobra models which this one is do not set off other detectors as I have come to find out. They are all built with stripline circuitry and LNA's now. On the other hand it a good bet that cheaper whistlers do as I have a older whistler with old gun diode reciever tech that sets off everything in sight and whistler used this very platform for their cheaper wally world/k-mart XTR line.

but not the Se level whistler detectors thank god. They are LNA/Strip-line

Btw you can see from the second video that the Cobra is doing a dandy job of picking radar right on par with that v1 here and has plenty of range indeed.

I am sure the v1 in other instances has a further range but this is pretty acceptable from the Cobra considering the terrain.

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Originally Posted by Buckdarma

.....SLOW? well not actually as it appears Cobra's do fine in the I/o mode......

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Slow in what terms? The question about the video is what were the settings (was the RDR turned off, it did not say) of the STIr thus the video only shows the delay of the Cobra's alarm vs the STI's alarm. Now, what was the STI's delay time? What floor noise/alg blocking change was there running the 2 RDs at the same time? Micro seconds count in radar and it is my conclusion that this Cobra in this Video under all of the conditions shown is slow, way to slow on this I/O. I cannot say more for if you understand, don't put it on the forum for a Leo to read......

[QUOTE=Buckdarma;903694]..... but not the Se level whistler detectors thank good......you can see from the second video that the Cobra is doing a dandy job of picking radar right on par with that v1 here and has plenty of range indeed......[QUOTE]

Whistlers are close behind the V1 as for speed.. M. B. test and the GOL test show this that the filtering of a whistle is very good which allows good speed......The Cobra in a video on a C/O will be ok, but any cheap RD will do this!....The V1 Ka Guard had to be on for not many turn it off due to the Cobra's noise thus we do not know what the Cobra is doing to the V1 or vise versa.....Testing 2 RD up against each other is not the best way and only shows that example in that example and at that footage and cannot be used to conclude anything because the filtering will kick on each RD and may block or each RD may interfer with each other in alarming for certain harms may not show up at the right timing.....

[QUOTE=North Alabama;903696][QUOTE=Buckdarma;903694]..... but not the Se level whistler detectors thank good......you can see from the second video that the Cobra is doing a dandy job of picking radar right on par with that v1 here and has plenty of range indeed......

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Whistlers are close behind the V1 as for speed.. M. B. test and the GOL test show this that the filtering of a whistle is very good which allows good speed......The Cobra in a video on a C/O will be ok, but any cheap RD will do this!....The V1 Ka Guard had to be on for not many turn it off due to the Cobra's noise thus we do not know what the Cobra is doing to the V1 or vise versa.....Testing 2 RD up against each other is not the best way and only shows that example in that example and at that footage and cannot be used to conclude anything because the filtering will kick on each RD and may block or each RD may interfer with each other in alarming for certain harms may not show up at the right timing.....

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Whistler's will trump the v1 in I/o alerts unless the v1 is run with guard off but not in range. I have a se model and it's a quirky beast range wise. I have heard that a new model Se's have some improvements. I may just send mine in for a upgrade.

I can tell you right now that new cobra's are a far cry from the old cobra's but no one ever believes it.

My newest bell 995 easily sets them off but not the other way around.

as for filtering I have tested with my bushnell k-band and used my Whistler 78 Se on menu for a 35.5 source to see if these cobra's affected the Bells radar reception alerts

No difference whatsoever.

also tested my whistler I/O performance with the bushnell with cobra models running

same thing

What test (groups) besides GOL and Micheal has done an I/O Test which Whistler is included? Even the Escort forum rates the V1 at the top with the STi remote with its I/O test. The GOL I/O test showed that the V1 is tops with or without the Ka Guard on or off (I don't want to say more due to Leos on board) with STi included which did not do well. I would like to look at any other test that shows different...... Yes, newer electronics is better for all makers and the lesser models are catching up to the big boys because one can only detect a signal to a point but it is if they can detect that signal which most cannot. Then we get into another part of I/O that is most important (I don't want to say more there either there due to a watching Leo) in detecting the spikes of I/O far out where the filtering block it........ Your test to yourself proves what you did, one cannot see any data by your results. What you did makes no sense to me. Take your test and data and make a thread for all of us would love to see it! There are things going on with RDs that most people assume or not assume or did not know or should have done when testing that makes their data in error....

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Originally Posted by TurboDriver

Freq display - Lets say you get a Ka alert and it reads 33.6.. it is most likely a false alert (Cobra, they are horrible emitters and will be in that range normally) If it says 33.8 or 35.5.. you can bet it is real alert. Learn Freqs in your area like door openers and locations, and radars used to help you interpret real from fake alerts.

Range - Not picking on Cobra just because it is a Cobra but range gives you a chance to pick up a I/O shot on a rabbit in front of you. Straight roads you will do OK but throw a corner or a hill in there and a slight increase detection performance means everything to get that alert!

Your on the right track, you are interested in RD and how to use it to your benefit, you have come to a forum to learn, and taking criticism well. Remember we are not raggin on you because of what you have, we want to to understand it's limitations. Don't believe us, go look at any comparison testing done.

I do not have the "best" either but it works for me and yours will serve a purpose for you too. I can tell you though however, this kind of stuff gets addictive.

Welcome..

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X2. X2. X2. We are here to help others on how not get a ticket, for it is not a pissing contest nor my thing in my pants is bigger than yours! LOL........May I add for the new guys, with the fastest display on a 2 display radar or the fastest mode on a single display unit on radar, it can get you when there are only 2 if you in the beam. So beware that the Leo could pull the rabbit over and then motion you over also. Also, if the Leo hits your rabbit late, due to the angle, the rabbit's reading in the target display could be lower than you speed which will show in the fastest display, thus the Leo will go after you instead. So try to hide among many rabbits (at least 2) to produce doubt in the Leo's mind which of the two followers behind the rabbit is the guilty one for his eyes will tell him. Happy motoring.....