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Mazda has been running a lot of television ads lately. They say Heinrick R. Hertz invented radar when it was actually Scotsman Robert Watson Watt in 1935 when he showed the Royal Air Force its ability to identify British bombers from seventeen (17) m
sad, I have followed these guys from the start and only have good word to say about them.
I have conversed with Carl in a few letters and he was nothing but a gentleman and good soul.
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Forum brand x is really getting off on the news of course. Anyone that disagrees with their cheese burger and Hooter's tests is a partisan player to them.
It costs actual professional testers big money to do tests PROPERLY. Something they have yet to learn.
What forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
The forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
and if you don't toe the party line here like a good little communist we will have you shot ! LOL
Car Fors and his tester group has always gotten my respect for being stand up people.
others testers not so much.
too bad.
I'm just say'n. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma- Uh-OH !Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
The forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Protest,Your Honor -I'm innocent I tell you,innocent of that scurrilous allegation!
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.Is that the one whose founding members all once lived here?That one??
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.- heresay,w/o proof.
that forum.- I feel ya',bro...
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :) - That's a BIG,10-4!
I'm just say'n. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma- Uh-OH !Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
The forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Protest,Your Honor -I'm innocent I tell you,innocent of that scurrilous allegation!
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.Is that the one whose founding members all once lived here?That one??
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how. - Protest,hearsay...w/o proof!
that forum. - I feel ya,bro'.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :) - That's a BIG,10-4!
I don't believe too much that your the guilty party in question comrade.
just saying. LOL ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
It hasn't a thing to do with his niceness whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
Strawman argument.
"when was the last time you did a test?"
another strawman argument
Don't need to I have actual professionals that do it for me free of charge.
well I did but not now :(
What it has everything to do with is every major detector buliding company except valentine which chooses NOT to attend cross checking the results of these tests very closely P/C.
Maybe they all get together and choose the winner every year like the oil companies do to manipulate the price of gas? :confused:
You have actual professionally trained and certified radar operators, a professional testing group that teaches radar courses and advises at radar trials and publishes in police publications, a group of radar detector manufacturers who are in direct competition with each other ON-SITE for the best results possible and a very long wide open road that is MILES and MILES long in the middle of no where.
what does the other side have? ;)
School Spirit !
A bit like your backyard buddies touch football group playing MICHIGAN in the rose bowl.
Do you have a certificate whatsoever and classroom/open road training in proper traffic radar use ? Do any of you?
Didn't think so
There is a very good reason these tests cost so much and if you ever figure that one out get back to me.
and NO it isn't graft or collusion.
or maybe it is ! :eek:
I see it all now..
Damn Carl, your not such a nice guy after all are you ?
I didn't realize till P/C made this all very clear just now that you and the detector manufacturing community and the police are ALL in cahoots with each other !
where is that damn microwave brain signal detecting proof Reynolds Wrap Hat when you need it ? :(
I am transferring our open discussion on such things to the new internet compatible Cone of Silence immediately comrade ! ;)
Poor Buck.......what will you do now without SML and their team of paid certified radar experts telling you which detectors are best?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaIt hasn't a thing to do with his niceness whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
Strawman argument.
"when was the last time you did a test?"
another strawman argument
Don't need to I have actual professionals that do it for me free of charge.
well I did but not now :(
What it has everything to do with is every major detector buliding company except valentine which chooses NOT to attend cross checking the results of these tests very closely P/C.
Maybe they all get together and choose the winner every year like the oil companies do to manipulate the price of gas? :confused:
You have actual professionally trained and certified radar operators, a professional testing group that teaches radar courses and advises at radar trials and publishes in police publications, a group of radar detector manufacturers who are in direct competition with each other ON-SITE for the best results possible and a very long wide open road that is MILES and MILES long in the middle of no where.
what does the other side have? ;)
School Spirit !
A bit like your backyard buddies touch football group playing MICHIGAN in the rose bowl.
Do you have a certificate whatsoever and classroom/open road training in proper traffic radar use ? Do any of you?
Didn't think so
There is a very good reason these tests cost so much and if you ever figure that one out get back to me.
and NO it isn't graft or collusion.
or maybe it is ! :eek:
I see it all now..
Damn Carl, your not such a nice guy after all are you ?
I didn't realize till P/C made this all very clear just now that you and the detector manufacturing community and the police are ALL in cahoots with each other !
where is that damn microwave brain signal detecting proof Reynolds Wrap Hat when you need it ? :(
I am transferring our open discussion on such things to the new internet compatible Cone of Silence immediately comrade ! ;)
With them gone we are likely never to see another 15 mile detection or ever see another Escort/Bel detect a 16ms K-Band POP shot.:( Things that no un-certified backyard tester has EVER been able to replicate.
Maybe if we learn how to fudge numbers or operate the radar equipment incorrectly we can eventually re-produce the kind of results they have been publishing for years.
Since you are a big fan, maybe you can explain the K-Band POP results in this SML test. Last time I checked with Escort, NONE of their detectors are capable of detecting K-Band POP.
Your chances of encountering POP Mode are the same as you driving to the moon? non-existent! This is not an opinion, but a fact. Only three states, Iowa, Oregon, and Nevada ?include POP radar guns on their state contracts. Being on a state contract d
Maybe there is a good reason they are going out of the detector testing business.;)
OH, I will survive very well somehow as my life doesn't completely revolve around traffic radar and laser jammers and constantly dodging the law unlike yours apparently. I just don't know who or what you will have to rail against anymore when things just don't go your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1Poor Buck.......what will you do now without SML and their team of paid certified radar experts telling you which detectors are best?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaIt hasn't a thing to do with his niceness whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
Strawman argument.
"when was the last time you did a test?"
another strawman argument
Don't need to I have actual professionals that do it for me free of charge.
well I did but not now :(
What it has everything to do with is every major detector buliding company except valentine which chooses NOT to attend cross checking the results of these tests very closely P/C.
Maybe they all get together and choose the winner every year like the oil companies do to manipulate the price of gas? :confused:
You have actual professionally trained and certified radar operators, a professional testing group that teaches radar courses and advises at radar trials and publishes in police publications, a group of radar detector manufacturers who are in direct competition with each other ON-SITE for the best results possible and a very long wide open road that is MILES and MILES long in the middle of no where.
what does the other side have? ;)
School Spirit !
A bit like your backyard buddies touch football group playing MICHIGAN in the rose bowl.
Do you have a certificate whatsoever and classroom/open road training in proper traffic radar use ? Do any of you?
Didn't think so
There is a very good reason these tests cost so much and if you ever figure that one out get back to me.
and NO it isn't graft or collusion.
or maybe it is ! :eek:
I see it all now..
Damn Carl, your not such a nice guy after all are you ?
I didn't realize till P/C made this all very clear just now that you and the detector manufacturing community and the police are ALL in cahoots with each other !
where is that damn microwave brain signal detecting proof Reynolds Wrap Hat when you need it ? :(
I am transferring our open discussion on such things to the new internet compatible Cone of Silence immediately comrade ! ;)
With them gone we are likely never to see another 15 mile detection or ever see another Escort/Bel detect a 16ms K-Band POP shot.:( Things that no un-certified backyard tester has EVER been able to replicate.
Maybe if we learn how to fudge numbers or operate the radar equipment incorrectly we can eventually re-produce the kind of results they have been publishing for years.
Since you are a big fan, maybe you can explain the K-Band POP results in this SML test. Last time I checked with Escort, NONE of their detectors are capable of detecting K-Band POP.
Your chances of encountering POP Mode are the same as you driving to the moon? non-existent! This is not an opinion, but a fact. Only three states, Iowa, Oregon, and Nevada ?include POP radar guns on their state contracts. Being on a state contract d
Maybe there is a good reason they are going out of the detector testing business.;)
then again maybe I do.
It seems that escort is the new top contender for that title of scapegoat with the max isn't it?
Unfortunately their marketing promises don't exactly live up to their first models of this detector.
Unfortunately for them. I don't see users of their product being being papered with tickets because it is so darn bad myself.
They will adjust it and tinker with it and iron out their mistakes. Lots of new products go through this cycle and turn out very well in the end.
just to add this.
The reason you have never been able to do a 15 mile test is pretty obvious isn't it ? Your little group would have to fork up more then fifteen dollars in gas to get you all there and not that it was ever done or even attempted by your group whatsoever.
That is called a "sin of omission "
Carl made a mistake with the new at the time k-band 16 m pop obviously. I guess the MPH crew wasn't there that day as often is the case with radar manufactures in these tests to correct him.
POP is a none issue as you well know by now anyway
that hardly invalidates or makes moot S/S others tests whatsoever
but it does show how much you cherry pick your arguments. ;)
Boy RD.net hasn't had this much use since the great radar detector blow out of 87 ! LOL
So Carl and the crew admittedly don't know how to operate their equipment. Big surprise there. In their last outing they had to scrap their 33.8 Ka results because they left the radar bake.....or at least that was their excuse. I'm shocked that such a professional crew of operators don't know how to maintain their equipment properly and keep it running. More likely some subscribers product failed miserably and they didn't want to risk losing their "funding".http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...ilies/wink.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
Hmmm......I never did see a video of that 15 mile test course.......have you? What with $6K to play with you'd think they could afford a camcorder and know how to upload a vid to YouTube.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
Well, I suppose it's all irrelevant if it did or did not happen in that nobody gets burned by radar at 15 miles from hilltop to hilltop anyways. Most of us scofflaws are more concerned with the LEO's hiding in ambush around the next bend or over the next hill.........so that is how we test.
Yeah, I think times just blew past Carl and SML. People are too smart and no longer rely on sensational reports without some form of evidence to back it up. That thing called YouTube is a powerful tool.;)
cherry picking your arguments once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1So Carl and the crew admittedly don't know how to operate their equipment. Big surprise there. In their last outing they had to scrap their 33.8 Ka results because they left the radar bake.....or at least that was their excuse. I'm shocked that such a professional crew of operators don't know how to maintain their equipment properly and keep it running. More likely some subscribers product failed miserably and they didn't want to risk losing their "funding".;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaOH, I will survive very well somehow as my life doesn't completely revolve around traffic radar and laser jammers and constantly dodging the law unlike yours apparently. I just don't know who or what you will have to rail against anymore when things just don't go your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1Poor Buck.......what will you do now without SML and their team of paid certified radar experts telling you which detectors are best?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaIt hasn't a thing to do with his niceness whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
Strawman argument.
"when was the last time you did a test?"
another strawman argument
Don't need to I have actual professionals that do it for me free of charge.
well I did but not now :(
What it has everything to do with is every major detector buliding company except valentine which chooses NOT to attend cross checking the results of these tests very closely P/C.
Maybe they all get together and choose the winner every year like the oil companies do to manipulate the price of gas? :confused:
You have actual professionally trained and certified radar operators, a professional testing group that teaches radar courses and advises at radar trials and publishes in police publications, a group of radar detector manufacturers who are in direct competition with each other ON-SITE for the best results possible and a very long wide open road that is MILES and MILES long in the middle of no where.
what does the other side have? ;)
School Spirit !
A bit like your backyard buddies touch football group playing MICHIGAN in the rose bowl.
Do you have a certificate whatsoever and classroom/open road training in proper traffic radar use ? Do any of you?
Didn't think so
There is a very good reason these tests cost so much and if you ever figure that one out get back to me.
and NO it isn't graft or collusion.
or maybe it is ! :eek:
I see it all now..
Damn Carl, your not such a nice guy after all are you ?
I didn't realize till P/C made this all very clear just now that you and the detector manufacturing community and the police are ALL in cahoots with each other !
where is that damn microwave brain signal detecting proof Reynolds Wrap Hat when you need it ? :(
I am transferring our open discussion on such things to the new internet compatible Cone of Silence immediately comrade ! ;)
With them gone we are likely never to see another 15 mile detection or ever see another Escort/Bel detect a 16ms K-Band POP shot.:( Things that no un-certified backyard tester has EVER been able to replicate.
Maybe if we learn how to fudge numbers or operate the radar equipment incorrectly we can eventually re-produce the kind of results they have been publishing for years.
Since you are a big fan, maybe you can explain the K-Band POP results in this SML test. Last time I checked with Escort, NONE of their detectors are capable of detecting K-Band POP.
Your chances of encountering POP Mode are the same as you driving to the moon? non-existent! This is not an opinion, but a fact. Only three states, Iowa, Oregon, and Nevada ?include POP radar guns on their state contracts. Being on a state contract d
Maybe there is a good reason they are going out of the detector testing business.;)
then again maybe I do.
It seems that escort is the new top contender for that title of scapegoat with the max isn't it?
Unfortunately their marketing promises don't exactly live up to their first models of this detector.
Unfortunately for them. I don't see users of their product being being papered with tickets because it is so darn bad myself.
They will adjust it and tinker with it and iron out their mistakes. Lots of new products go through this cycle and turn out very well in the end.
just to add this.
The reason you have never been able to do a 15 mile test is pretty obvious isn't it ? Your little group would have to fork up more then fifteen dollars in gas to get you all there and not that it was ever done or even attempted by your group whatsoever.
That is called a "sin of omission "
Hmmm......I never did see a video of that 15 mile test course.......have you? What with $6K to play with you'd think they could afford a camcorder and know how to upload a vid to YouTube.:confused:
Well, I suppose it's all irrelevant if it did or did not happen in that nobody gets burned by radar at 15 miles from hilltop to hilltop anyways. Most of us scofflaws are more concerned with the LEO's hiding in ambush around the next bend or over the next hill.........so that is how we test.
Yeah, I think times just blew past Carl and SML. People are too smart and no longer rely on sensational reports without some form of evidence to back it up. That thing called YouTube is a powerful tool.;)
Now you come up with a idea about never seeing the course ? Yes, it was obviously all made up and all the radar manufacturers are in on it too. :)
It's a grand conspiracy akin to the Kennedy assassination and you guys are the only ones who know the truth. :)
cherry picking your arguments once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1So Carl and the crew admittedly don't know how to operate their equipment. Big surprise there. In their last outing they had to scrap their 33.8 Ka results because they left the radar bake.....or at least that was their excuse. I'm shocked that such a professional crew of operators don't know how to maintain their equipment properly and keep it running. More likely some subscribers product failed miserably and they didn't want to risk losing their "funding".;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaOH, I will survive very well somehow as my life doesn't completely revolve around traffic radar and laser jammers and constantly dodging the law unlike yours apparently. I just don't know who or what you will have to rail against anymore when things just don't go your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1Poor Buck.......what will you do now without SML and their team of paid certified radar experts telling you which detectors are best?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaIt hasn't a thing to do with his niceness whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckdarmaThe forum you regularly attend and who's members were kicked out of here for not following the site rules whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerConeWhat forum would that be Buck???Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
You know the forum that regularly derides this one.
I was informed that one of your main main founding members was totally kicked out of HIS OWN FORUM for apparently being a two timing troll and back stabber to his own members and new recruits which really doesn't surprise me some how.
that forum.
But you know this already didn't you P/C didn't you? :)
When's the last time you ever did any testing Buck? With a group or otherwise? I'd love to see those results be published?
Just because you believe Carl to be a nice guy doesn't mean he's a good tester....
Strawman argument.
"when was the last time you did a test?"
another strawman argument
Don't need to I have actual professionals that do it for me free of charge.
well I did but not now :(
What it has everything to do with is every major detector buliding company except valentine which chooses NOT to attend cross checking the results of these tests very closely P/C.
Maybe they all get together and choose the winner every year like the oil companies do to manipulate the price of gas? :confused:
You have actual professionally trained and certified radar operators, a professional testing group that teaches radar courses and advises at radar trials and publishes in police publications, a group of radar detector manufacturers who are in direct competition with each other ON-SITE for the best results possible and a very long wide open road that is MILES and MILES long in the middle of no where.
what does the other side have? ;)
School Spirit !
A bit like your backyard buddies touch football group playing MICHIGAN in the rose bowl.
Do you have a certificate whatsoever and classroom/open road training in proper traffic radar use ? Do any of you?
Didn't think so
There is a very good reason these tests cost so much and if you ever figure that one out get back to me.
and NO it isn't graft or collusion.
or maybe it is ! :eek:
I see it all now..
Damn Carl, your not such a nice guy after all are you ?
I didn't realize till P/C made this all very clear just now that you and the detector manufacturing community and the police are ALL in cahoots with each other !
where is that damn microwave brain signal detecting proof Reynolds Wrap Hat when you need it ? :(
I am transferring our open discussion on such things to the new internet compatible Cone of Silence immediately comrade ! ;)
With them gone we are likely never to see another 15 mile detection or ever see another Escort/Bel detect a 16ms K-Band POP shot.:( Things that no un-certified backyard tester has EVER been able to replicate.
Maybe if we learn how to fudge numbers or operate the radar equipment incorrectly we can eventually re-produce the kind of results they have been publishing for years.
Since you are a big fan, maybe you can explain the K-Band POP results in this SML test. Last time I checked with Escort, NONE of their detectors are capable of detecting K-Band POP.
Your chances of encountering POP Mode are the same as you driving to the moon? non-existent! This is not an opinion, but a fact. Only three states, Iowa, Oregon, and Nevada ?include POP radar guns on their state contracts. Being on a state contract d
Maybe there is a good reason they are going out of the detector testing business.;)
then again maybe I do.
It seems that escort is the new top contender for that title of scapegoat with the max isn't it?
Unfortunately their marketing promises don't exactly live up to their first models of this detector.
Unfortunately for them. I don't see users of their product being being papered with tickets because it is so darn bad myself.
They will adjust it and tinker with it and iron out their mistakes. Lots of new products go through this cycle and turn out very well in the end.
just to add this.
The reason you have never been able to do a 15 mile test is pretty obvious isn't it ? Your little group would have to fork up more then fifteen dollars in gas to get you all there and not that it was ever done or even attempted by your group whatsoever.
That is called a "sin of omission "
Hmmm......I never did see a video of that 15 mile test course.......have you? What with $6K to play with you'd think they could afford a camcorder and know how to upload a vid to YouTube.:confused:
Well, I suppose it's all irrelevant if it did or did not happen in that nobody gets burned by radar at 15 miles from hilltop to hilltop anyways. Most of us scofflaws are more concerned with the LEO's hiding in ambush around the next bend or over the next hill.........so that is how we test.
Yeah, I think times just blew past Carl and SML. People are too smart and no longer rely on sensational reports without some form of evidence to back it up. That thing called YouTube is a powerful tool.;)
Now you come up with a idea about never seeing the course ? Yes, it was obviously all made up and all the radar manufacturers are in on it too. :)
It's a grand conspiracy akin to the Kennedy assassination and you guys are the only ones who know the truth. :)
What can I say.....SML's shoddy test methodology and suspect results is a cherry tree loaded with fruit waiting to be plucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
How can you possibly be involved in this hobby as long as you have and not learned anything Buck?
well I know enough to trust the guys that design the stuff to be watching each other like hawks at performance testsQuote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1What can I say.....SML's shoddy test methodology and suspect results is a cherry tree loaded with fruit waiting to be plucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
How can you possibly be involved in this hobby as long as you have and not learned anything Buck?
You guys got to let the conspiracies you find hiding around every bush go.
The max is a good example
Yes, they promised a lot more then the first models delivered but that will change over time with it's further development
[QUOTE=Buckdarma;908889]Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1What can I say.....SML's shoddy test methodology and suspect results is a cherry tree loaded with fruit waiting to be plucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
How can you possibly be involved in this hobby as long as you have and not learned anything Buck?
well I know enough to trust the guys that design the stuff to be watching each other like hawks at performance tests
AND you trust them enough that they fry a MPH unit in the HOT Texas sun as well???
You guys got to let the conspiracies you find hiding around every bush go.
Buck, no conspiracies. IIRC, you were one of the first guys to tout how great the Redline BSRDR was and you used it extensively over the past 6 months. NOW that there's a new fashion model before your eyes, you forgot all about the Redline?? Remember man, you gotta dance with who brung ya!!!
The max is a good example
Yes, they promised a lot more then the first models delivered but that will change over time with it's further development
For a guy with such impeccable taste in music (BOC), I find your arguments as to the greatness of SML and crew to be interesting. Its akin to me trashing BOC when I've never listened to any of their music over the years. You'd be all over that like flies on a ship carrying rubber doggie doo from China. Plus, what does the Max have to do with this issue above??? If you'll recall, it was SML that touted the greatness of the greatness UNIT ever built with the greatest range ever had well before it was even out of pre-production. YOU know that Buck and so do I!!!
Wow Buck.....where did you read that, in my review of the pre-production MAX back in June?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarmawell I know enough to trust the guys that design the stuff to be watching each other like hawks at performance testsQuote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1What can I say.....SML's shoddy test methodology and suspect results is a cherry tree loaded with fruit waiting to be plucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
How can you possibly be involved in this hobby as long as you have and not learned anything Buck?
You guys got to let the conspiracies you find hiding around every bush go.
The max is a good example
Yes, they promised a lot more then the first models delivered but that will change over time with it's further development
The MAX experience - Escort Radar Forum
You should learn to trust the guys that the guys that design this stuff trust. Remember I told you back in January that you were wrong about Escort simply using old hardware with "new" filtering on the next gen.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...tml#post903978
The MAX was good, we helped make it better with credible testing and feedback. Just about every issue I pointed out in that review is being or has already been addressed. Likewise with the RedLine before it.......that expert firmware did not happen without the testing and encouragement from folks like me.;)
SML is going out of business because their tests were meaningless and no longer relevant. They didn't teach us anything about the importance of response time or the advantages of eliminating unnecessary Ka bandwidth and cutting back on cumbersome Ka alert algorithms. Their method of determining a detector's performance soley by the number of LEDs lit on a flat desert highway is below amateur level these days.
Nope. You cannot credit SML for precipitating any of the recent advancements in radar detection technology today. That push came from the fellas you are trying to discredit. Thankfully, Escort and Valentine have taken notes over the past few years and paid attention to OUR tests and listened to OUR recommendations. For those reasons you now have the RedLine with BS/RDR, the Valentine One with custom sweeps, and the blistering quick MAX with it's digital signal processing.
Agree or disagree, but that's the facts.
Better yet, where are all of these findings below on Speedzones or any other site??Quote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1Wow Buck.....where did you read that, in my review of the pre-production MAX back in June?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarmawell I know enough to trust the guys that design the stuff to be watching each other like hawks at performance testsQuote:
Originally Posted by nine_c1What can I say.....SML's shoddy test methodology and suspect results is a cherry tree loaded with fruit waiting to be plucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
How can you possibly be involved in this hobby as long as you have and not learned anything Buck?
You guys got to let the conspiracies you find hiding around every bush go.
The max is a good example
Yes, they promised a lot more then the first models delivered but that will change over time with it's further development
The MAX experience - Escort Radar Forum
You should learn to trust the guys that the guys that design this stuff trust. Remember I told you back in January that you were wrong about Escort simply using old hardware with "new" filtering on the next gen.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...tml#post903978
The MAX was good, we helped make it better with credible testing and feedback. Just about every issue I pointed out in that review is or has been addressed. Likewise with the RedLine before it.......that expert firmware did not happen without the testing and encouragement of folks like me.;)
SML is going out of business because their tests were meaningless and no longer relevant. They didn't teach us anything about the importance of response time or the advantages of eliminating unnecessary Ka bandwidth or eliminating cumbersome Ka alert algorithms. Their method of determining a detector's performance soley by the number of LEDs lit on a flat desert highway is below amateur level these days.
Nope. You cannot credit SML for precipitating any of the recent advancements in radar detection technology today. That push came from the fellas you are trying to discredit. Thankfully, Escort and Valentine have taken notes over the past few years and paid attention to OUR tests and listened to OUR recommendations. For those reasons you now have the RedLine with BS/RDR, the Valentine One with custom sweeps, and the blistering quick MAX with it's digital signal processing.
Agree or disagree, but that's the facts.
" In an advanced new product test overseen by the category’s leading authority, Speed Measurement Labs (SML), PASSPORT Max™ established three new benchmarks for the detector category. Setting new records for longest range, fastest response time and greatest sensitivity, PASSPORT Max™ displayed the best performance that SML had ever witnessed.
“In 30 years of impartial testing, we haven’t seen this level of reporting range or immediacy of alerts by any other radar detector,” said Speed Measurement Labs President and CEO.
In one test, physicists used an extremely low powered radar gun to test sensitivity. Typically, detectors do not see this source beyond the one mile mark but PASSPORT Max™ reported the same source from beyond seven miles!
In another SML test, PASSPORT Max™ proved its extremely fast response time by alerting to measured test signals more than four times faster than any competitor detector ever tested.
To determine how far PASSPORT Max™ could alert, SML engineers used the longest physical distance on the range. PASSPORT Max™ reported every gun, every signal, to more than fifteen miles (standard detector testing for the SML range ends at nine miles as detectors predictably cannot pick up such weak test signals). PASSPORT Max™ simply reported alerts from the longest distance ever tested.
double post
Nine/C " Wow Buck.....where did you read that, in my review of the pre-production MAX back in June?"
Nope, I have had this opinion from the beginning actually and for the reasons I have sighted.
Nine/C " You should learn to trust the guys that the guys that design this stuff trust. Remember I told you back in January that you were wrong about Escort simply using old hardware with "new" filtering on the next gen."
Strawman argument. :)
I didn't know if they had implemented this new patent at the time is all. You have a "in" to them. Not me. It has nothing to do with trust whatsoever.
I trust the guys that engineer these products and who often show up at these S/S tests to observe their products in actual use.
They all seem to STILL trust S/S enough to test their products in fact to this day
Let me address this last bit
nine c " SML is going out of business because their tests were meaningless and no longer relevant. They didn't teach us anything about the importance of response time or the advantages of eliminating unnecessary Ka bandwidth and cutting back on cumbersome Ka alert algorithms. Their method of determining a detector's performance soley by the number of LEDs lit on a flat desert highway is below amateur level these days."
(1) The first sentence is totally unproven basher rhetoric.
(2)The second bit has NOT been shown to increase max alert distances whatsoever. Not in any videos I have ever seen. It just deals with sorting out the false alarms a bit better. The only way one can even come close to judging a rd's sensitivity is by signal strength of the detector without going in a lab to do it.
Unfortunately some rd manufacturers tried to game the tests andd their owners by making their detector read max signal no matter what the difference. Carl adjusted his tests to deal with it though. Something you omitted to mention. :)
Nine c "Nope. You cannot credit SML for precipitating any of the recent advancements in radar detection technology today. That push came from the fellas you are trying to discredit. Thankfully, Escort and Valentine have taken notes over the past few years and paid attention to OUR tests and listened to OUR recommendations. For those reasons you now have the RedLine with BS/RDR, the Valentine One with custom sweeps, and the blistering quick MAX with it's digital signal processing. "
Actually the "discredit part" is far more on your side then mine nine. I am fine with anyone testing detectors on their own and having fun doing it as long as they don't go around saying the professionals are dishonest and receive bribes to do their work.
These tests have more then enough cross checks between the manufacturers that that idea is truly a Microwave proof hat reading thought.
custom sweeps are great for faster detection time and to get rid of a lot of crap signals
they have little to do with max detection range. You should know this.
testing this too PROPERLY would send S/S costs threw the roof ! :0
What I truly believe happened besides the very large costs it takes to do a real professional test of rds is that Carl probably just got sick of all the e-mails from his bashers and haters that have nothing to do other then bash people like him when they don't hear what they want to here.
He probably just decided he was far too old for this silly SH-T anymore ! :D
You've been living in a hole if you haven't seen or heard about the increased detection range people are experiencing with these new options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckdarma
Ignorance....plain and simple. You have it in spades Buck.
Stick with your old uninformative and grossly inaccurate SML reports, you deserve to remain in the dark.;)
Frankly, from the videos I have seen I am not impressed with the increases whatsoever.
The highest performing detectors still are the highest performing for range. What a surprise !
But do see some evidence that playing with the bands to lower false alerts can let one in for some rather nasty surprises
The ignorance is on your part not mine here but you keep believing what you like to believe as you obviously always do.
I don't believe anyone or anything will ever will change that. ;)
Wow Buckdarma i have never seen so many misinformed, biased and manipulative posts from one person before. Its like you just say things to argue and spread bad information?
Reminds me of someone....
Yeah, this thread has more than run its course.
Cliff