JTW's Laser Tester--a useful tool and tailgating deterrent

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

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Originally Posted by fallen8511

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You guys need to lighten up a little.

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It's all fun and games for the guy screwing around with people right?

How about if you're on the recieveing end?

How about when billgerr's son sets off the laser alert for a V1 from behind, and he rear ends the guy, that's real funny too. And if someone gets injured, that is even more funny.

God I can't stop laughing at the thought of people dying, because others are playing around with cars as if they are toys.

I just don't understand how this is funny, or what there is to lighten up about. I wouldn't think it was funny if it happened to me. I suppose its funny as long as nothing bad happens, just like when kids play with guns, it's funny, until one of them kills their friend. But instead of seeing that in "hindsight" people don't realize the problem until someone dies, and then it is too late.

Setting off someones laser detector intentionally can be dangerous. Why risk it?

Perhaps someone can educate me, and perhaps JammerTests can be more mature and more responsible for the product he creates. You don't see gun makers telling people to lighten up when kids play with guns, do you?

People say the same crap about street racing, and people actually die doing it. You don't see Ford saying "lighten up people, a little Mustang street racing is ok".

Grow up.

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Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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What are you talking about its your fault for not buying them better brakes!!! JTW

oh buddy i hope i tag u with this laser tester lol plus i buy top end stuff that way i know i have enough time to brake safely I think on the driving test they test u on a quick stop and to pass this u look in your rear mirror and then break ect...

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Originally Posted by Iknox

oh buddy i hope i tag u with this laser tester lol plus i buy top end stuff that way i know i have enough time to brake safely I think on the driving test they test u on a quick stop and to pass this u look in your rear mirror and then break ect...

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Sure theoretically a good driver would look in the mirror prior to slamming the brakes... but come on.

Have you been on any road lately? The roads are filled with halfwits and morons, most of them cruising along in the left friggin' lane the same speed as the car to their right with a huge chain of cars behind them.

Do you really think these dunderheads will behave logically when their $4 radio shack detector screams laser @ them? I don't think so.

It may be funny to do, but still probly not a good idea to use this device as a toy.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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Now you've changed your angle of attack, instead of defending the proposition of your "laser tester" being used to set off radar detectors for enjoyment (which is an impossible task) , you attack me, saying people "should" be able to drive, and that you adding distractions to the roadway causes no harm, because people "should" be able to deal with them.


Let me take it one by one.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector.JTW

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Is that what I said? Re-read my statement, we'll find that I noted that it is a possibility, in other words, there is a chance it will happen. And it only needs to happen once. People win the lottery despite extreme odds, what are the odds of someone outbraking the person behind them when they see a laser alert? Probably not so good, but better than winning the lottery. Now if people bought your tester to set off peoples laser alert, suddenly those odds sky rocket. It only needs to happen once.

Then you make statements of which you know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.
JTW

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Actually I don't own a radar detector, so go ahead take mine away.

But my favorite part of your arguement is the logical fallcy people make most often, and perhaps the hardest to understand.

Imagine this scenario, lets pretend I own an gas guzzling Hummer, it pollutes a lot. So then I go out and speak out about littering, telling people not to litter. Someone in the crowd stands up and yells "How can you tell us not to litter while you drive that monster, that pollutes more than all of our litter combined!"

Now it could be true that my Hummer pollutes more than all their litter combined, but just because I have a Hummer doesn't mean I should litter. They are two seperate things.

In other words, just because I'm wasteful in one area of my life, doesn't mean I should be wasteful in all areas of my life, and certainly doesn't mean I have to be wasteful in all areas.

So the world is better place with no litter and my Hummer, than with litter and my Hummer. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against litter, whether or not I drive a Hummer.

Applying that logic to this arguement is simple, distractions cause accidents, that is fairly well established. A radar detector alert is a distraction.

Now you're laser tester causes a distraction, and while it accounts for a small percentage of distractions a radar detector will create, it doesn't mean we shouldn't reduce the amount of distractions by removing your laser tester.

So the world is a better place with no laser tester falses while still haveing normal false alarms, than with laser tester falses and normal false alarms. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against your laser tester, whether or not I speak out against other false alarms, or the use of radar detectors in general.

And now its time for you to give up, logically you have no arguement. You should condemn the use of your laser tester for setting off people's detectors, because it could cause hazardous conditions, regardless of all the other things that cause hazardous conditions, but I'm sure you can think up another logical fallacy to justify it.

Such is ignorance.

fallen8511:

Since I started this thread, allow me to pipe in. I agree with your conclusion and would not advise anybody to repeat this action as there may be unforeseen and undesirable consequences. Please note that my demonstration was performed under selected conditions as I was assuming risk after considering consequences.

Although I respect your opinion, I don't agree with the sequencing of your logic for a variety of reasons Owning and using a radar detector would function as an antecedent for any consequence caused by responding to its alarm. If one is speeding imprudently, this behavior provides another antecedent for a consequence. If one does not assess and assume the risk offered by the two conditionals, one shouldn't have the former or do the latter.

Perhaps we can also agree on the following: If you operate a radar detector and speed, you should consider the consequences of responding to an alarm as well as speeding, and modify your behavior accordingly.

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Originally Posted by fallen8511

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Do you not know how to drive? You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector. They DON"T. Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.

If an accident occurs because of a tester setting off a radar detector what do you think is going to happen when the person gets hit with real laser? I guess an accident is still going to occur right?

I think you need to grow up and stop over reacting man. While we're at it we should ban radar detectors and laser jammers because whenever they go off people cause accidents......right. Get real.

JTW

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Now you've changed your angle of attack, instead of defending the proposition of your "laser tester" being used to set off radar detectors for enjoyment (which is an impossible task) , you attack me, saying people "should" be able to drive, and that you adding distractions to the roadway causes no harm, because people "should" be able to deal with them.


Let me take it one by one.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

You make it seem like everyone rear ends someone as soon as they get an alert on their radar detector.JTW

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Is that what I said? Re-read my statement, we'll find that I noted that it is a possibility, in other words, there is a chance it will happen. And it only needs to happen once. People win the lottery despite extreme odds, what are the odds of someone outbraking the person behind them when they see a laser alert? Probably not so good, but better than winning the lottery. Now if people bought your tester to set off peoples laser alert, suddenly those odds sky rocket. It only needs to happen once.

Then you make statements of which you know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by JammerTests Webmaster

Maybe we should take your radar detector away because you're more of a danger on the road with it.
JTW

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Actually I don't own a radar detector, so go ahead take mine away.

But my favorite part of your arguement is the logical fallcy people make most often, and perhaps the hardest to understand.

Imagine this scenario, lets pretend I own an gas guzzling Hummer, it pollutes a lot. So then I go out and speak out about littering, telling people not to litter. Someone in the crowd stands up and yells "How can you tell us not to litter while you drive that monster, that pollutes more than all of our litter combined!"

Now it could be true that my Hummer pollutes more than all their litter combined, but just because I have a Hummer doesn't mean I should litter. They are two seperate things.

In other words, just because I'm wasteful in one area of my life, doesn't mean I should be wasteful in all areas of my life, and certainly doesn't mean I have to be wasteful in all areas.

So the world is better place with no litter and my Hummer, than with litter and my Hummer. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against litter, whether or not I drive a Hummer.

Applying that logic to this arguement is simple, distractions cause accidents, that is fairly well established. A radar detector alert is a distraction.

Now you're laser tester causes a distraction, and while it accounts for a small percentage of distractions a radar detector will create, it doesn't mean we shouldn't reduce the amount of distractions by removing your laser tester.

So the world is a better place with no laser tester falses while still haveing normal false alarms, than with laser tester falses and normal false alarms. Thus we can see I should indeed speak out against your laser tester, whether or not I speak out against other false alarms, or the use of radar detectors in general.

And now its time for you to give up, logically you have no arguement. You should condemn the use of your laser tester for setting off people's detectors, because it could cause hazardous conditions, regardless of all the other things that cause hazardous conditions, but I'm sure you can think up another logical fallacy to justify it.

Such is ignorance.

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Actually, I'll submitt to that argument. Buy my tester to test radar detectors and laser jammers only.

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Originally Posted by billgerr

fallen8511:



Although I respect your opinion, I don't agree with the sequencing of your logic for a variety of reasons Owning and using a radar detector would function as an antecedent for any consequence caused by responding to its alarm. If one is speeding imprudently, this behavior provides another antecedent for a consequence. If one does not assess and assume the risk offered by the two conditionals, one shouldn't have the former or do the latter.

Perhaps we can also agree on the following: If you operate a radar detector and speed, you should consider the consequences of responding to an alarm as well as speeding, and modify your behavior accordingly.

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You're arguement is a bit flawed I think.

While I do agree that people shouldn't own radar detectors if they cannot deal with the distraction, and while I agree one should not speed imprudently, that is certainly no justification for going and setting off people's detectors.

In the first scenario I proposed, it was not the person owning the radar detector, who caused the accident, yet it was person who rear ended him (it is almost always the fault of the person in the rear car in that kind of accident). That person must not have been paying attention. Stuff happens. But without a laser tester and someone being a joker, it wouldn't have.

Lastly I agree you should consider the consequences of speeding and owning a radar detector, but you cannot control other drivers, and if you panic brake thinking you could avoid a laser ticket, the driver behind may not do the same. Thus without people going around setting of laser alerts, the chances of this scenario would be reduced.

Truthfully what I'm upset about the most is that I believe speeding tickets are beyond comprehension for a great variety of reason, and I believe in the right of citizens to own radar detectors as a way to help prevent unjust punishments from unjust laws. Then we have people running around purposely setting off detectors, helping what is an oppressive system. That just makes me mad.

STARTING: 09/02/2005: For every laser tester ordered I'll donate 50% of the money to Sethy up until he can buy that computer monitor for bigeasyguy.

This is a great way to indirectly donate money for a good cause guys. You'll get a great laser tester and at the same time you'll help a flood victim.

JTW