My top 10 enforcement & countermeasure pet peeves

I didn't say I had a problem with that speed. I was merely making the point that, with escalated PSLs comes escalated speeding over PSL, up to a certain point.

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Originally Posted by 9500ier

You can go a billion miles an hour through space for eternity and never die if the conditions are right.

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I think a billion might be over stepping it, but point taken.:p I guess the whole "nothing in front of you" has a whole different meaning.

I don't really have anything else to add, except another screen shot from my defensive driving course.

If you want to take the largest bite out of the fatalities that occur on US highways, get people to stay in their lane!

Its also easy to say speed kills when the speed limits are atificially low and EVERYONE speeds everywhere. So when someone does die... were they speeding? Hell yeah... statistics are great like that. I could also say that driving under 200mph kills and I would probably get the same type of analysis.

Also, for clarification, the lane position statistics are referring to head on collisions on undivided highways (I am pretty sure). Nonetheless, I do agree that people need to stay in their lane!

I had a nice big post last night, but due to database errors, I couldn't post it. :(

Basically, I was saying, speed doesn't kill, but it can be a factor, sometimes more so than other times. If you are doing 100 on a busy road with other cars doing 55... then speed would be a major factor in reducing your reaction time. Now if you are on a road where everyone is doing 75, and you are doing 100, speed is less of a factor because you have a bit more reaction time.

There are plenty of other things that come into play though, weather, type of car, tire condition, etc... but just coming out and saying, "Speed kills" by itself leaves so much open, and is silly to state alone.

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I had a nice big post last night, but due to database errors, I couldn't post it. :(

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It's been doing that every night around 0200 for some reason. It's maddening.

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Originally Posted by 9500ier

Speed alone does not kill.

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I never said it did.

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Really?

Did you forget you said this in post # 8 in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

Sorry, but you guys are all wet on this one. You're intentionally ignoring the laws of physics to suit a dishonest agenda. Simply being an idiot or drunk is no more dangerous than simply speeding. Why? Because the level of danger is determined by behaviour, not by mental status. It's not the drunk driver's alcohol that kills you. It's his driving that kills you. Now, answer this simple question. Would you rather him hit you at 75 mph, or at 30 mph? How about this: would you rather be doing 75 mph when he pulls out in front of you, or 30 mph? There's no way to parse that one. Speed kills. Whining about it does not change the law of physics. And it doesn't matter if it was the other guy's fault that you crashed. You still lose.

If you want to say you simply don't care because you are teh aw3some driver, that's an honest position. But arguing that speed doesn't kill is dishonest, and frankly silly.

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Or did you forget that you said this in post # 11?

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Drunk is the gun. Speed is the drunk pulling the trigger. Therefore, it is the speed that kills.

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And kpatz, Supercowpowers, MEM-TEK... Kudos on doing a fine job. I couldn't agree with each of you more! Thanks! :thumb2:



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Desmosedici, I feel like you just have something against SS and you just have to say something to keep the argument going when neither of you guys will change your mind on the matter. My opinion.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

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Originally Posted by 9500ier

Speed alone does not kill.

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I never said it did.

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Really?

Did you forget you said this in post # 8 in this thread?

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Another dismal reading comprehension FAIL on your part.

Where in that quote did I use the word "alone"?

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

Another dismal reading comprehension FAIL on your part.

Where in that quote did I use the word "alone"?

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Fail? Maybe in your opinion, but take another look at this statement of yours in that post...


"Speed kills. Whining about it does not change the law of physics. And it doesn't matter if it was the other guy's fault that you crashed."


Where is any mention of any other factor? You said yourself, right there, "it doesn't matter if it was the other guy's fault..." You simply said "Speed kills." No qualifiers. No additional factors mentioned.

And I noticed how you simply avoided anything about your post # 11.

You know... Where you said, again without qualification or equivocation...


"Therefore, it is the speed that kills."


But you know, despite what ssick92 suggested, I honestly don't have anything against you, SS. I simply disagree with your use of the same tired, old LEO fallacies to try and defend PSL's that are shoved onto the populace for no other reason than revenue generation and having nothing to do with safety, road design, or documented traffic studies. Continuing to use that "Speed Kills" fable is, IMHO, a colossal FAIL on your part, and it is readily apparent far more here see it to be as much of a monument to mendacity as I do.

See y'all tomorrow. I'm going to bed.

G'night! ;)



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I had a nice big post last night, but due to database errors, I couldn't post it. :(

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It's been doing that every night around 0200 for some reason. It's maddening.

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Not sure about these forums, but in vBulletin there are maint options to help fix these kinds of issues. Who admins these forums anyway? Radar Roy?