My top 10 enforcement & countermeasure pet peeves

You still FAIL, Desmo, because not once have I defended speed limits. In fact, I have gone out of my way to make clear that I am not doing so. For me, this is not a discussion of speed limits. It is strictly a discussion of physical kinematics.

Why you feel it is necessary to lie about what I have said is beyond me, but it is personal. There is no other reason you would be doing so. I have tried multiple times to withdraw from this exchange with you, but you always come back with more unfounded accusations. This is the third thread you have trolled me in, and you will not continue to do so if you wish to remain here. Whether you stop it or I stop it for you is your choice, but this is your last warning.

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Originally Posted by Gokhos

3. Disagree. 15 over the PSL is too much in my opinion. I someone wants the PSL changed they should petition the jurisdiction to change it.

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Riddle me this then... let's say that there is a stretch of highway going through your town with a PSL of 70. Everyone does 70-75 through there, accidents are rare, everything is great. Then, one day, the town decides that they need to fill a budget shortfall, and they repost that stretch at 55 and start patrolling the stretch heavily. In a news article, they state it's for "safety" and because "speed kills" and there are "too many accidents" in that stretch. Now everyone who does 70 through there is now going 15 over the PSL. Is that too much in your opinion?

The reason I specifically stated "70 in a 55 ticket" in my peeves list, as opposed to "15 over PSL ticket", is because, way too often, 55 is used as a "magic number" PSL for speed trap areas. A stretch of highway that is PERFECTLY SAFE TO TRAVEL at 70 is posted at 55 solely for revenue enhancement. A LEO can pretty much pick & choose anyone he wants to give a 15+ over PSL ticket to, since the 85th percentile speed is around 70 or higher.

15 over a reasonable PSL may be too much, but 15 over an underposted PSL, I see nothing wrong with this.

The saying speed kills is just a plain dumb and incorrect statement. Instead of speed kills, the saying should really be: Driving too fast for conditions can kill.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

You still FAIL, Desmo, because not once have I defended speed limits. In fact, I have gone out of my way to make clear that I am not doing so.

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Actually, you haven't made that clear at all.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

claiming the speed limits are too low is a dishonest cop-out. If they raised the speed limit by 20 mph today, most of the speeders here would still drive at 10 to 15 over PSL. .

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Sure sounds like you're defending speed limits to me... :confused:

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Originally Posted by gpracer1

The saying speed kills is just a plain dumb and incorrect statement. Instead of speed kills, the saying should really be: Driving too fast for conditions can kill.

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And Thanks, Swarga.

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Originally Posted by swarga

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

You still FAIL, Desmo, because not once have I defended speed limits. In fact, I have gone out of my way to make clear that I am not doing so.

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Actually, you haven't made that clear at all.

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I shouldn't have to! Nobody should have to waste time making it clear that they never said something. It should be self evident, when people aren't making assumptions.

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Originally Posted by swarga

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Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

claiming the speed limits are too low is a dishonest cop-out. If they raised the speed limit by 20 mph today, most of the speeders here would still drive at 10 to 15 over PSL. .

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Sure sounds like you're defending speed limits to me... :confused:

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That is an erroneous assumption. It was a simple statement of fact, from what I have observed in 36 years of driving, watching limits go up and down and back up. I never said this was a good thing. I never said I agreed with it. It simply is what it is.

I think too many people here assume that because I was a cop, I am somehow married to the speed limits and believe the party line about all of this. Don't read into my statements, or anyone else's statements for that matter. I made it perfectly clear -- more than once in this thread -- that my thoughts on the matter are nothing more than a discussion of physics. It has zero to do with my personal feelings about speed limits. Why some of you still have problems comprehending that, after reading it over and over, I just can't figure out.

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Originally Posted by gpracer1

The saying speed kills is just a plain dumb and incorrect statement. Instead of speed kills, the saying should really be: Driving too fast for conditions can kill.

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I want that on a tee shirt.:)

Stealth is just make the argument from a pure physics point of view. If you are going slower when you have an accident the forces acting upon your body are less than if your velocity were higher. So from that point of view alone the statement "speed kills" can be interpreted as correct. No-one has said speeding kills.

#1 on my list...Photo Speed Enforcement.

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Originally Posted by category4

Stealth is just make the argument from a pure physics point of view. If you are going slower when you have an accident the forces acting upon your body are less than if your velocity were higher. So from that point of view alone the statement "speed kills" can be interpreted as correct. No-one has said speeding kills.

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Well, actually speed would be an aggravating factor in any accident, but not the cause of death. The accident is caused by poor driving (speeding or not) and death as a result of the accident is a factor of many things, speed probably being the largest (but also the speed and density of the objects that you run into). However, without an "accident" speed does not kill on its own.

Physics or not... speed does not kill and neither does speeding. Speed damn sure doesn't help your chances of surviving an accident though... I will give you that much.

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If you walk into a wall it will hurt a little. If you run into the same wall, it will hurt like a mother ****er, but what if you only hit walls 99% of the time in your entire life of walking/running? Should you still run? Or just walk forever in fear? As with anything there is a point of diminishing returns... a point at which the dangers outweigh the efficiency/joy of your speed. It is a very dynamic thing and being someone that is very liberterian and loves cars and going fast.... I do not think blanket speed limits are really all that "fair". I am much better at deciding my speed than some damn group of politicians that cannot drive for ****.