Like I said, interference.
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Like I said, interference.
Arrows and bogy counter are awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
When used together the V1 is benefitting from the RedLine's stealth design. RedLine was designed to not be detected by any radar detector detector, it emits very little emissions. These are the same emissions that cause interference between detectors. This has been proven again and again, even with distances that a Spectre detected each detector with provided by GoL in a 2009 test. Note that the STi uses the same M3 antenna as the RedLine. Some here are willing to accept this interference when running the two detectors together, but they are aware of it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by RagsIt doesn't stop looking at Ka, it still sweeps and will report it if it detects it. I believe it has a tougher time picking out the next signal when there is already a strong signal present. V1 also loses range due to another stronger signal present, but in my testing it seems to be much better. I do need to do more testing, though, and would like others to do their own testing to see if it's repeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...09/spectre.gif
Just because a Spectre does not detect the Redline does NOT mean the detector is not leaking from the LO. The Redline most certainly does, I have captured the LO activity on its first, second, and third order emissions with a spectrum analyzer. The V1 also picks up on its emissions when Ka Guard is turned off and displays it as a Ka alert. The STi and other M3 detectors I have looked at are similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by EscortRadarWhen used together the V1 is benefitting from the RedLine's stealth design. RedLine was designed to not be detected by any radar detector detector, it emits very little emissions. These are the same emissions that cause interference between detectors. This has been proven again and again, even with distances that a Spectre detected each detector with provided by GoL in a 2009 test. Note that the STi uses the same M3 antenna as the RedLine. Some here are willing to accept this interference when running the two detectors together, but they are aware of it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by RagsIt doesn't stop looking at Ka, it still sweeps and will report it if it detects it. I believe it has a tougher time picking out the next signal when there is already a strong signal present. V1 also loses range due to another stronger signal present, but in my testing it seems to be much better. I do need to do more testing, though, and would like others to do their own testing to see if it's repeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...09/spectre.gif
Yes, they are not as strong, but running a Redline next to the V1 is NOT a benefit to the V1's detection range, in fact it hinders it.
Now that's out of the way, that has nothing to do with anything I posted that you quoted. My testing with multiple signals were done with the detectors running alone and only dealing with real world condtions and a real world C/O speed trap.
The Redline loses a lot of its range to the second signal detected. So does the V1. But the Redline appears to be more affected. So while the Redline has the ability to sniff out single C/O signals as good as or even better (sometimes far better) than the V1, when dealing with a stronger C/O falsing source such as a K band speed sign, the Redline does not pick up the real Police Ka threat that lurks within that area as good as the V1. In fact, from what I am seeing thus far, the V1 appears to be twice to three times as good at picking out that second signal (The V1's range is twice to three times better in that situation).
The good news is that if the false source is not very strong, both are extremely capable.
Does that make any more sense?
It seems to me that anytime the V1 wins something over the Redline then the cause MUST be interference but if the Redline wins something over the V1 then the cause MUST be that it is a better detector. I'm yawning!
Is it just possible that you have a software bug when processing multiple signals Mr. Escort? I have worked in software (30+ years) and I have yet to see ANY perfect code.
But this sounds like the familiar old malign the V1 deal. For the record - these were strong signals. It's not a discussion of reduced range.
Now the real motive comes out........
This has nothing to do with your V1. I would have said the same thing if you were using any non-M3 detector with the RedLine, even one of ours. Detectors interfere with each other. This can cause either detector to entirely miss alerts. Whenever anyone reports odd behaviors when using multiple detectors then this is usually the culprit. Once their sweeps align then all sorts of odd things can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varactor
I haven't heard any other reports of alerts being missed with multiple signals detected (which is a common occurence) so I doubt that this is a software bug. Other than the software installed to use Escort Live, the RedLine's software has not changed since it was released. If it was software related then all RedLines would be effected which does not appear to be the case.
Continuing to compare my V1 and Redline I noticed something else that is IMO VERY significant...
We "suffer" from K-band TSR a lot in my home area and these guns typically discharge a 1-2 second shot of radar exactly every 30 seconds (so you can actually predict when the next shot will arrive).
Parking near one of these guns I noticed that my Redline was missing most of these bursts and only alerting to the odd one but the V1 never missed a single K-band shot (this is true regardless of whether the other detector in the car is also on).
The Redline seems to have a problem detecting short bursts of I/O K-band!! This is very bad IMO. These are legitimate enforcement frequencies and the LEO's here typically shoot K-band in little short bursts (if they are using K-band at all). The longer burst only comes when you have earned a ticket.
Your only chance to avoid an I/O K-band ticket is to detect these short 1-2 second bursts being directed at a car ahead of you. The Redline is failing to do this - whether or not the V1 is turned on (no interference this time :rolleyes: ).
BTW, neither detector has its TSR algorithm enabled because K-band is always used I/O around here if it is being used at all. Turning that on you may as well disable K-band entirely and go blind because the detector will give you no warning at all until the LEO fires his longer "confirmation" shot.
Sorry Mr. Escort but after two weeks if I was going to return one of these now it would be the Redline.
BTW, I have since heard that the Veil guy has a video showing this exact same effect.
Thought I'd share my thoughts on running BOTH the V1 and RedLine at once:
My V1 tends to "wake up" and alert more frequently when I run the RedLine with my V1. Furthermore, I notice that my V1 also alerts quicker when my RedLine is mounted as well. Maybe the interference that the RedLine produces is just the perfect amount to wake the V1 and keep it actively looking, but, not too much of an interference in which the V1 slows down, or goes deaf.
My thoughts are not fully tested out, but, it poses the question of benefits in "interference" between the V1/RL combo.
As I've mentioned earlier on this topic, I'd recommend you getting both detectors. They run fine together, and if you happen to have the 1% chance where the RedLine goes deaf, your V1 will do just fine as it usually does.
Get a STIR+ and it will beat both the v1 and redline.