February 25 2011 is less than 60 days away... What about the arrows?

About a month left...

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Originally Posted by Solidjake

About a month left...

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ahhhhhhhhh :D

Man it's 2011 now, do not worry, there is so much technology these days. V1 can make a totally cool new unit called the V2 and make the other competitors wish they had that idea. But knowing mike , he will have it for another 20 years muahhahhha!

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Originally Posted by StlouisX50

But knowing mike , he will have it for another 20 years muahhahhha!

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Wouldn't bother me any. I'm honestly hoping that a new V1 won't come out. If it does, I'm afraid that the company may eventually stop tuning up/troubleshooting the V1 units that are produced today. 400 bucks is a lot of damn money to me, and I don't want to be forced to spend another several hundred dollars on something else when I am perfectly happy with what I have.

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Originally Posted by unmamfqlm

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Originally Posted by StlouisX50

But knowing mike , he will have it for another 20 years muahhahhha!

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Wouldn't bother me any. I'm honestly hoping that a new V1 won't come out. If it does, I'm afraid that the company may eventually stop tuning up/troubleshooting the V1 units that are produced today. 400 bucks is a lot of damn money to me, and I don't want to be forced to spend another several hundred dollars on something else when I am perfectly happy with what I have.

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ORRRRRR you can see it the way i see it where Mike V has something up his lab coat sleeves to patent for another 20 years in the V2!

I am sure we all have our ideas and I'M sure people from V1 watch the forum. Has anyone started a V2 wish list?

What might happen is the other RD companies prob have already RDs designed to suddenly popup as "Newest and Improved and now with Arrows" and V1 will still be the best around.

24 days left and counting

Not to worry, Dec 2012 is just around the corner.

Money is waiting in the bank if something does come out :)

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Originally Posted by StlouisX50

But knowing mike , he will have it for another 20 years muahhahhha!

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Wouldn't bother me any. I'm honestly hoping that a new V1 won't come out. If it does, I'm afraid that the company may eventually stop tuning up/troubleshooting the V1 units that are produced today. 400 bucks is a lot of damn money to me, and I don't want to be forced to spend another several hundred dollars on something else when I am perfectly happy with what I have.

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Nobody has a gun pointed at your head makin you buy it!!! so your not forced to do anything Plus v1 used will still bring a good price if you ever want to step to a newer one if they come out with one

Presumably you believe that other manufacturers/marketers will copy Valentine's product [the guts of it at least] as soon as the patent expires? This is the sincerest form of flatery, is it not? Why would knockoffs turn the original into a collectors' item?

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Originally Posted by nyjason13

In 53 days from the time of this post, Mike V's patent on his dual-antennae system for the arrows will expire. As a proud V1 owner, I can only imagine the V1 becoming a product that becomes a collectors item once other companies can pick up the arrows concept.

Any thoughts on this? I know there's treads already posted about this, but it's 2011 now, and there's little time left. What do you think will happen once the patents expire in 53 days? Share your thoughts.

I honestly have no idea what to think. I just bought a concealed display today. I hope the company stays around for at least another couple years. I was only 18 when I invested in a V1 and had to save a good amount of money to get it. I would be disappointed if the V1 became a product of the past within the next 2-3 years.

In the event something does happen to VR, I'll probably just use my V1 until it dies and won't invest in another detector for a while. I highly praise the way Mike runs VR; it's small enough that it's almost personal when conducting business with them. I also respect that Mike is (from my experience) an honest businessman and won't rip you off. (example: I've seen upgrade notices for certain users where he will tell you that it's not a necessary upgrade to pay for unless you really want the feature. Other companies would market the crap out of it to get every dollar out of you.)

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Let's assume for the sake of discussion that the major competitors copy the V-1 locators immediately making their products equal at long last to the V-1. Will they then lower prices to make them equal in that regard? If so, will the manufacturers accept all the cost of lower prices or will they go to direct marketing and cut out their resellers?

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Originally Posted by BMW-NJ

I had no idea there patent was expiring. I would be sweating bullets if I was Mike V. If arrows end up on a 9500ix / Redline with no further updates such as GPS it is going to be hard to stay with the V1. I would think this will motivate him to update the current V1. We will have to wait and see I guess.

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Patent 5206651 bogey counter, June 1992
Patent 5250951 bogey counter, November 1992
Patent 5300932 arrows, October 1991
Patent 5300932 bogey counter, July 1993
Patent 5146226 bogey counter, April 1991
Patent 5083129 dual antennas, February 1991
Patent 5852417 frequency detection, January 1991


edit: patents last 14-20 years

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Originally Posted by Solidjake

Patent 5206651 bogey counter, June 1992
Patent 5250951 bogey counter, November 1992
Patent 5300932 arrows, October 1991
Patent 5300932 bogey counter, July 1993
Patent 5146226 bogey counter, April 1991
Patent 5083129 dual antennas, February 1991
Patent 5852417 frequency detection, January 1991


edit: patents last 14-20 years, so that means the earliest the patents for VR can expire is 2015

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ummmm unless I read that wrong, you mean 2013 (for all the patents)?

I must be drunk, haha

yup yup, they expire this year for whatever was filed in 1991

1991+20yrs= 2011

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Originally Posted by rocky2

1991+20yrs= 2011

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yea I said I must be drunk lol

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Originally Posted by Solidjake

Patent 5206651 bogey counter, June 1992
Patent 5250951 bogey counter, November 1992
Patent 5300932 arrows, October 1991
Patent 5300932 bogey counter, July 1993
Patent 5146226 bogey counter, April 1991
Patent 5083129 dual antennas, February 1991
Patent 5852417 frequency detection, January 1991


edit: patents last 14-20 years

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Originally Posted by rocky2

1991+20yrs= 2011

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I was including ALL of the patents. All of them will have expired by 2013

"Patent 5852417 frequency detection, January 2011"

I thought others could detected frequency too , otherwise they would not know if which band it was.

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Originally Posted by rocky2

1991+20yrs= 2011

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whoa whoa since when?

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1991+20yrs= 2011

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whoa whoa since when?

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rotflol

I wonder if maybe VR will finally unveil a GPS enabled unit around that time... They have had years now to figure out how to do it "right".

What would really be excellent would be to have the gps and in addition, some sort of a way to send - receive to a database like trapster. Maybe using bluetooth and the data connection of a cell phone? They could sell subscriptions!

Imagine- all the V1's out there reporting their location and bogies in a secure way to a central database, and continuously updating the database in the subscriber's V1 for false alarms, and possibly current locations of radar traps... Maybe also integrate and share data with the trapster network as well....

I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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I agree. One time I was driving, I had one Lexus SUV in the front and the back of me. I had to turn off the V1 and get the hell outa there. It was driving me nuts

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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I agree. One time I was driving, I had one Lexus SUV in the front and the back of me. I had to turn off the V1 and get the hell outa there. It was driving me nuts

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I want a remote unit

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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I agree. One time I was driving, I had one Lexus SUV in the front and the back of me. I had to turn off the V1 and get the hell outa there. It was driving me nuts

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I-64 is hell. You can get K band for miles and makes me want to pull my hair out.

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I didn't realize that Lexus vehicles were so equipped. I've been agravated often by Infinity and GMC vehicle systems.

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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Tell me about it! That damn sign as mason is the worst then you have all the laser/radar systems from st. louis' elite driving in the area.

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Oh there is a sign at Mason rd? AHHH The other day I picked up K from Chesterfield Parkway to Mc Knight.

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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You mean "ignore" the Lexus radar sensors. But, if you really mean "jam out" then well ... that would be cool, yet not legal. LOL

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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You mean "ignore" the Lexus radar sensors. But, if you really mean "jam out" then well ... that would be cool, yet not legal. LOL

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How can those damn things send out interference to us and we can't do it back?

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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You mean "ignore" the Lexus radar sensors. But, if you really mean "jam out" then well ... that would be cool, yet not legal. LOL

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How can those damn things send out interference to us and we can't do it back?

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Probably because it would be intentional. I guess, according to the FCC, you have to accept unintentional interference but you can't put out interference intentionally. Does this make sense? No? Right. I'm confused too. But remember that detectors are evil and only mean ole bad people use them so they can speed at 100+ mph and kill people. Whereas, a Lexus radar is for safety. Based upon the fact that the FCC commissioner is politically appointed, who do you think they'll side with?

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I beg VR. for a detector that will jam out those annoying ass Lexus radar sensors. I HATE DRIVING DOWN I-64 in St. Louis anymore!

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You mean "ignore" the Lexus radar sensors. But, if you really mean "jam out" then well ... that would be cool, yet not legal. LOL

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How can those damn things send out interference to us and we can't do it back?

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Probably because it would be intentional. I guess, according to the FCC, you have to accept unintentional interference but you can't put out interference intentionally. Does this make sense? No? Right. I'm confused too. But remember that detectors are evil and only mean ole bad people use them so they can speed at 100+ mph and kill people. Whereas, a Lexus radar is for safety. Based upon the fact that the FCC commissioner is politically appointed, who do you think they'll side with?

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When the vehicle is in motion why the hell do the sensors not turn off? There is no reason for a parking sensor (not jammer) to work when ever the car is just driving.

They also have to deal with blind spot's. I also hear toyota has brake technologies that when something is sensed it will slam the brakes.

The auto manufacturers have found a new and very profitable accessory to shift the consumers focus after decontenting their vehicles for a number of years. With lane assist, adaptive cruise control – collision avoidance, GPS… all in the name of safety, can’t argue with safety can we? It’s all in the name of profits.

What gets me are these same auto manufacturers who produce sports cars for the enthusiasts, Nissan – Infinity, BMW, MB and the little 3 turn around and put laser and radar devices in some of their other vehicle, duh. They run the devices full time since they are in the parts – service replacement business, more profits. They could have at least changed the frequency of the radar.

Ah, rant over, lol.

To the OP, I feel VR will compete as it always has same basic design, update the electronics to stay ahead. Will the competition’s arrows work as well, or have a flawless ramp up… etc? Will they be willing to offer F-15 prices to make the arrows work on remote designs? VR has the ability to address the Ka issues… competition will drive the market, you’re in or out.

BC :)

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Originally Posted by StlouisX50

When the vehicle is in motion why the hell do the sensors not turn off? There is no reason for a parking sensor (not jammer) to work when ever the car is just driving.

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I agree with you dude. I seriously doubt you'd get Valentine 1 to put in a jammer though, as cool as that would be. But several car manufacturers use radar for adaptive cruise control, not just for parking. So, while the cruise control is engaged the car will continuously measure distance to other cars in front and adjust accordingly, matching their speed vs. what the driver commands so as to avoid a collision. In fact, I believe most, if not all, parking sensors use sonar rather than radar anyway.

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I have followed this thread with a question in mind. Why are so many people looking forward to the time (?) when other radar detector manufacturers will be permitted to copy some of Valentine Research's unique features? Since the other major player's units sell for up to $100 more than the V-1, why not simply buy the V-1?

When I was preparing to add a third radar detector to my arsenal several months ago, I looked at others and concluded that for my use even without the ability to 'point to threats' and aside from VR's customer service, the V-1 stands alone, ...and at a significantly lower price. It doesn't get much better than that. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by ben721364

I have followed this thread with a question in mind. Why are so many people looking forward to the time (?) when other radar detector manufacturers will be permitted to copy some of Valentine Research's unique features? Since the other major player's units sell for up to $100 more than the V-1, why not simply buy the V-1?

When I was preparing to add a third radar detector to my arsenal several months ago, I looked at others and concluded that for my use even without the ability to 'point to threats' and aside from VR's customer service, the V-1 stands alone, ...and at a significantly lower price. It doesn't get much better than that. YMMV.

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Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner!!! It will be funny when all of the exclusive Belscort users, who never saw the arrows as useful, run out and buy a new Belscort with arrows because it is the latest craze.