Laser fail on escort 9500ix?

[CJR238]

Anyone expecting their radar detector to protect them from a LIDAR ticket when being targeted by the LEO is mistaken. As soon as your radar detector goes off, the LEO has your speed with very rare exceptions. When it comes to catching laser scatter, it doesn't make a difference if the detector is mounted high or low.

USE AND MOUNT YOUR RADAR DETECTOR THE WAY IT WORKS BEST. MOUNT IT HIGH AND PROUD!

If you want LIDAR protection, get the AL Priority.

I agree 100%, i like the game but i prefer to have a better chance if i can.

Just don't tell that to VG, he thinks the V1 is all that's needed and maybe some Veil. lol

[Veil Guy]

Anyone expecting their radar detector to protect them from a LIDAR ticket when being targeted by the LEO is mistaken. As soon as your radar detector goes off, the LEO has your speed with very rare exceptions. When it comes to catching laser scatter, it doesn't make a difference if the detector is mounted high or low.

USE AND MOUNT YOUR RADAR DETECTOR THE WAY IT WORKS BEST. MOUNT IT HIGH AND PROUD!

If you want LIDAR protection, get the AL Priority.

I agree 100%, i like the game but i prefer to have a better chance if i can.

Just don't tell that to VG, he thinks the V1 is all that's needed and maybe some Veil. lol

Since you brought me back into this one, I love when jammer fanboys hijack threads, with the tag line "all you need to do is get [fill in jammer preference of the day]."

The topic was about laser detection and with mounting position, NOT about jammers. I know, I know, some of you guys can't help yourselves.

To the hijackers point:

I've got plenty of experiences driving with a V1 and Veil and on videos in the real-world (not test course) doing more than just fine thank you. Good laser detection function in an RD is always a must consideration.

Jammer fanboys are so fickle too!

Up until recently it was the LI that was all you needed...Before that a Blinder...Before that, Lidatek. (I also left out some notable also rans in that list).

Next year all the rage is going to be???

That's thousands of dollars over the years to stay "current" or "all you need" folks.

Notice too even RALETCs LJ test site not one jammer has proven 100% effective, despite the excuses (tell that to the officer).

Poopoo $99 Veil all you want--which hasn't lost its efficacy against the onslaught of new laser guns--just be sure to keep your check book handy for when your jammer needs to be updated (or replaced). Bottom line is defense in depth works and that includes possessing a properly-mounted detector that is good at detecting laser. It's simply foolish to consider anything less.

BTW, aware of the next gun coming from LTI?

VG

[yellowcab]

Anyone expecting their radar detector to protect them from a LIDAR ticket when being targeted by the LEO is mistaken. As soon as your radar detector goes off, the LEO has your speed with very rare exceptions. When it comes to catching laser scatter, it doesn't make a difference if the detector is mounted high or low.

USE AND MOUNT YOUR RADAR DETECTOR THE WAY IT WORKS BEST. MOUNT IT HIGH AND PROUD!

If you want LIDAR protection, get the AL Priority.

I agree 100%, i like the game but i prefer to have a better chance if i can.

Just don't tell that to VG, he thinks the V1 is all that's needed and maybe some Veil. lol

Since you brought me back into this one, I love when jammer fanboys hijack threads, with the tag line "all you need to do is get [fill in jammer preference of the day]."

The topic was about laser detection and with mounting position, NOT about jammers. I know, I know, some of you guys can't help yourselves.

To the hijackers point:

I've got plenty of experiences driving with a V1 and Veil and on videos in the real-world (not test course) doing more than just fine thank you. Good laser detection function in an RD is always a must consideration.

Jammer fanboys are so fickle too!

Up until recently it was the LI that was all you needed...Before that a Blinder...Before that, Lidatek. (I also left out some notable also rans in that list).

Next year all the rage is going to be???

That's thousands of dollars over the years to stay "current" or "all you need" folks.

Notice too even RALETCs LJ test site not one jammer has proven 100% effective, despite the excuses (tell that to the officer).

Poopoo $99 Veil all you want--which hasn't lost its efficacy against the onslaught of new laser guns--just be sure to keep your check book handy for when your jammer needs to be updated (or replaced). Bottom line is defense in depth works and that includes possessing a properly-mounted detector that is good at detecting laser. It's simply foolish to consider anything less.

BTW, aware of the next gun coming from LTI?

VG

I don't think CJR was bashing Veil. Veil has it's place in our armamentarium for use alongside jammers. Veil alone, or used alongside a radar detector doesn't offer enough protection in real world situations.

There is nothing that we have available to us that is 100% effective against radar or LIDAR. A good radar detector is better than a cheap radar detector or not having a radar detector. A good laser jammer is better than Veil alone or Veil with a radar detector. The best protection is a good radar detector along with the AntiLaser Priority with Veil applied to the entire front of a car. I highly recommend looking into having a Veil impregnated wrap made.

[CJR238]

I'm no jammer fan boy by any means, you should know that. But I certainly have seen, tested and experienced the advantage of using jammers over just detecting laser with a RD.

YC is right, im not bashing Veil. Veil is a great addition, but you still need jammers if you truly want to play the game and have a decent shot at winning.





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[Veil Guy]

I know that, CJ...comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Still, the topic was about LASER DETECTION in an RD, not the virtue of a jammer.

The default answer to everything laser related question shouldn't be just get "jammer xyz." That was my point.

VG

[CJR238]

I know that, CJ...comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Still, the topic was about LASER DETECTION in an RD, not the virtue of a jammer.

The default answer to everything laser related question shouldn't be just get "jammer xyz." That was my point.

VG

Agreed. Not everyone is looking for laser protection or the best way to combat it. I probably never would have added jammers besides the ZR4's that came with my CI if RadarRob didn't get me hooked up with the LI's.

[Veil Guy]

I know that, CJ...comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

Still, the topic was about LASER DETECTION in an RD, not the virtue of a jammer.

The default answer to everything laser related question shouldn't be just get "jammer xyz." That was my point.

VG

Agreed. Not everyone is looking for laser protection or the best way to combat it. I probably never would have added jammers besides the ZR4's that came with my CI if RadarRob didn't get me hooked up with the LI's.

I'm glad to hear that RR hooked you up with something like that.

My front bumper cover got cracked pretty badly just the other day when I hit a snow/ice clump that was on the road. When I replace it when the weather moderates, I'm pulling the ZR4s and the old Blinders off finally. Escort was kind enough to send me a ShifterPro for review as will Blinder so when I replace the bumper cover, I will be updating the jammers. The ZR4 feels too dated to me anymore, especially after it missed what I believe was a DE hit in FL last spring. They've served my interests very well for many years but their time has come, I am afraid.

Hope you are enjoying the LIs.

VG

[jerry540i]

Okay, now it's threads like this that get a noob like me talkin' to hisself.

"Hisself" I say, "I keep getting conflicting info from bona fide guru's...what's a guy to believe?"

First, let's clarify one thing...I may be a noob, but I've used a laser pointer and I know that that beam does NOT expand like a "normal" light. Yeah, I understand the concept of "spatter", but that beam of light stays tighter than a step dad's wallet, so if it's being properly aimed/operated by the LEO...it NEVER made it to your windshield. It hit your headlight/front plate and bounced back, and if that detector went off, it's just reminding you to pull over and not make that cop any madder by making him chase you.

All these laser detectors may be cutting edge high tech, but they ain't magic. If the beam did NOT hit it...how is it supposed to detect it? Spatter? I'm staking my driving record on...spatter?

Hence the need for active and/or passive laser disruption.

So now we come to the "Oh, you have to mount it high", countered by "No, no...ya gotta go low for laser, high for k/ka." and BOTH of these admonitions coming from people who are NOT noobs, but actually know something about this stuff. And I'm not just talking about this thread...there is a disconnect in the RD community over this, knowledgeable folks giving conflicting advice lots of places on the Internet.

Heck...it's enough to make a feller drive the speed limit...almost...

Any insight would be appreciated.

Ride safe,
CR

Now to get back on track....
There is a common misconception that police lidar shoots a pencil-thin beam like laser pointer. In fact, you'd be surprised to learn that many lidar guns throw a beam that is about 3'x3' SQUARE at a 1000' (some models slightly smaller). This beam grows to 6'x6' @ 2000'. Obviously at closer distances or point-blank shots, the lidar beam would be much tighter.

As for detectors having the ability to detect lidar "scatter", it does occasionally happen, and for years the V1 has been acknowledged as the champion in this regard--though as mentioned, its not recommended to rely solely on a detector as your primary means of defense against lidar.

As for placement, for years the general rule-of-thumb has been the higher the placement towards the top of the windshield meant the detector had a better vantage point to sniff out radar signals, at the expense of lidar signals, and vice-versa. Again, there are many variables--such as the type of vehicle and its overall height (think convertible vs full-size SUV).

[Veil Guy]

Okay, now it's threads like this that get a noob like me talkin' to hisself.

"Hisself" I say, "I keep getting conflicting info from bona fide guru's...what's a guy to believe?"

First, let's clarify one thing...I may be a noob, but I've used a laser pointer and I know that that beam does NOT expand like a "normal" light. Yeah, I understand the concept of "spatter", but that beam of light stays tighter than a step dad's wallet, so if it's being properly aimed/operated by the LEO...it NEVER made it to your windshield. It hit your headlight/front plate and bounced back, and if that detector went off, it's just reminding you to pull over and not make that cop any madder by making him chase you.

All these laser detectors may be cutting edge high tech, but they ain't magic. If the beam did NOT hit it...how is it supposed to detect it? Spatter? I'm staking my driving record on...spatter?

Hence the need for active and/or passive laser disruption.

So now we come to the "Oh, you have to mount it high", countered by "No, no...ya gotta go low for laser, high for k/ka." and BOTH of these admonitions coming from people who are NOT noobs, but actually know something about this stuff. And I'm not just talking about this thread...there is a disconnect in the RD community over this, knowledgeable folks giving conflicting advice lots of places on the Internet.

Heck...it's enough to make a feller drive the speed limit...almost...

Any insight would be appreciated.

Ride safe,
CR

Now to get back on track....
There is a common misconception that police lidar shoots a pencil-thin beam like laser pointer. In fact, you'd be surprised to learn that many lidar guns throw a beam that is about 3'x3' SQUARE at a 1000' (some models slightly smaller). This beam grows to 6'x6' @ 2000'. Obviously at closer distances or point-blank shots, the lidar beam would be much tighter.

As for detectors having the ability to detect lidar "scatter", it does occasionally happen, and for years the V1 has been acknowledged as the champion in this regard--though as mentioned, its not recommended to rely solely on a detector as your primary means of defense against lidar.

As for placement, for years the general rule-of-thumb has been the higher the placement towards the top of the windshield meant the detector had a better vantage point to sniff out radar signals, at the expense of lidar signals, and vice-versa. Again, there are many variables--such as the type of vehicle and its overall height (think convertible vs full-size SUV).

Thanks Jerry for steering the topic back on track. I have also found that irrespective of placement (high, mid, low), the color of the vehicle (and rake of the hood) can have a noticeable impact on the reception performance of an RD. So, depending on the type and color of the vehicle could suggest where to put it. Also the same dynamics apply to radar reception as well.

Of course, one can experiment specifically and based upon your empirical experiences, decide which place to put it.

VG

[CeeAre]

Fair enough. Comparing a LEO laser unit to a laser pointer for $4.95 from Office Max is...ludicrous at best. Poor example.

But due to my exposure to military grade lasers (which do NOT expand anything like speed tracking lasers) through my BIL (retired Chief Laser Engineer from Northrup Grumman), I do actually know what they are capable of. And far beyond LEO.

It's the sort of thing that if he tells you EVERYTHING, he has to kill you...

So yes, I know it expands. And yes, I understand the concept of spatter.

But still...even at that 3 X 3 at 1000 feet...half that at 500 feet...doesn't SOMETHING have to have enough "bleed-off" to trigger the laser receptor on an RD in order to trigger it? If you haven't slowed down to approximately PSL, maybe a little over, isn't it just a notification that you are about to get a ticket?

Hey...noob here...wanting to learn...not presenting this as "fact", but rather as inquiry...

Thanks and ride safe,

CR