Any chance of a non-detectable V1 anytime soon?

[ghz1]

Originally Posted by djrams80

Statements like these is why VR never came up with any new ideas and why Belscort has basically blown by VR, consumer contentment. Constantly telling VR that their product is perfect doesn't exactly spurn creativity. So, you're not interested in eliminating the annoying false alerts?

This statement is pretty accurate, yet zombies constantly talk up the V1's laser sensitivity like it's a major feature.

I totally don't believe this talk whatsoever. VR has no patent pending. I think these rumors are completely unsubstantiated. VR has not had a fresh idea in over a decade.

Faith in Mike? Based on what? He has shown absolutely no innovation since 1992. Sensitivity, yes. New ideas, no.

Not gonna happen. VR could increase sensitivity all they want, but the false alerts would be even worse than they are now. The V1 is already unbearable in the city. VR has no way to eliminate false alerts. This is exactly why the STi-R will fail.

In fact, the opposite is much more likely. When the arrow and bogey counter patent runs out in just over two years, VR will lose it's main advantage. At that point, the V1 will then be relegated to budget RD status and then maybe out of business.

Tes tas. VR are down the tubes that's for sure no hope what so ever. Doom and gloom may as well and go out and buy a 95000icwxi as it's going to be a one world order and we can all have undetectable detectors even if they are totally legal where we live...... Now that said I would rather ride a push bike to work than give bell/escort any more money than I have already.

djrams80 to me bell are like some big money making machine that just keep on turning out radar detectors on mass with little passion. VR are people/company that love what they do the true passion shows in the company's ideology.

[ghz1]

Yo Bell boys you all better shoot back off to the bell forums. Stop giving V1 Dave a hard time as he's helped soooooooooo many people around here, he knows more about radar detectors than you two put together. Go and pick on somebody else and give them a bad day eh.
And yes Dave that is sooo funny about airmore. Yeah that's right drams80 the thread “the final word and truth” that letter by Mike V he's talking about airmores knob hahahahahaha. I love to remind airmore about it when he show his head from under the rock. Most time he goes away hope it works this time around

[V1 Dave]

Interesting video on how not to use a Spectre.

YouTube - Spectre Radar Detector Detector

Someone like Jim can chime in but I believe if you need to avoid a Spectre because you are in an illegal area and don't own an Sti or a ci your RD is going to go nuts leaving you the opportunity to shut it down.

[Stealth Stalker]

Originally Posted by djrams80

In fact, the opposite is much more likely. When the arrow and bogey counter patent runs out in just over two years, VR will lose it's main advantage. At that point, the V1 will then be relegated to budget RD status and then maybe out of business.

LOL! That's pretty poor logic there, and based upon zero historical precedent.

If this is so, then why didn't Belscort -- who no advantage at all until TruLock and the STI -- go out of business decades ago? High-end niche detectors like the V1 isn't where the money is in this business. The budget detectors is where the money is made en masse. You've got the entire formula backwards.

[djrams80]

Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

LOL! That's pretty poor logic there, and based upon zero historical precedent.

I work in an industry that have many companies that struggle shortly after patents run out, so I see this "historical precedent" on a regular basis. I have one particular customer that every time I go there, I am absolutely blown away by the empty rooms in the buildings. My contacts there believe that being denied two patent renewals is the main cause for their struggles.

Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

If this is so, then why didn't Belscort -- who no advantage at all until TruLock and the STI -- go out of business decades ago?

If you are talking strictly between Belscort and VR, Belscort RDs have had many advantages to V1s in the past. Availability, price and city useability come immediately to mind.

Originally Posted by Stealth Stalker

High-end niche detectors like the V1 isn't where the money is in this business. The budget detectors is where the money is made en masse. You've got the entire formula backwards.

That's just it, for VR to survive in this industry in the future, they will have to market themselves as a budget RD, as opposed to now, where they are considered "top-notch". They could quite possibly be up against a Belscort RD in the next three years that has arrows, Truelock, Spectre invisibility and is more sensitive than the V1. I'm sure even then the zombies will still try to argue the V1 is still better somehow.

[AirMoore]

Originally Posted by V1 Dave

I still cannot get over the time you turned the V1 knob so hard you stripped the threads and *****ed about how bad the product was.
Mike had to explain to someone what you did in a separate letter on the above sticky.

I actually talked to an engineer about this: The problem actually was not with me turning it too hard, but rather, the piece is fatigued from having to be constantly torn apart by VR with problems with the unit. I am sending my unit in tomorrow as a matter of fact. So that was some good news to know that is wasn't me turning the detector on/off 'incorrectly', but rather the constant tearing apart the unit has undergone (Most noted is the whole front faceplate had to be changed, because of a defective product from VR.)
After that is when the knob felt (and still does) feel a bit sloppier then before... and it happened rather soon after it was sent back. So thats always good news to hear!

[AirMoore]

Originally Posted by djrams80

That's just it, for VR to survive in this industry in the future, they will have to market themselves as a budget RD, as opposed to now, where they are considered "top-notch". They could quite possibly be up against a Belscort RD in the next three years that has arrows, Truelock, Spectre invisibility and is more sensitive than the V1. I'm sure even then the zombies will still try to argue the V1 is still better somehow.

Very very true DJ, I most likely bet they go the 'Money' route. When the V1 out priced it competitors it was 'worth it', when the V1 gets out-prices the competitors its simply 'outlandish' to have any other detector cost more then it.


I honestly also think one of the biggest things holding VR back, is their 'never obsolete' promise. This worked well in the past (V1 Zombies have reamed Belscort about having to buy a new unit ever ~3years), but it limits the amount of technology that VR can put into a new unit, and still 'cut-even' without making the buyer pay another 'full-price' for another unit.

Updates for the V1 are coming at an ever increasing pace (for things that supposedly have 'no impact on performance' mind you), and it seems like the 'updates' are almost always now costing money (fair chunks as well).

So how are they going to make a huge jump in 'technology' without it costing the consumer another full-unit price? Its simple VR cannot do it! Think about that for a minute... to cut even VR simply cannot afford to create a jump in technology that would make them completely 'redo' their units. Thats why VR doesn't have a spectre-proof unit (Or any real technology advancement since the early 1990's)! They couldn't stay in business, or they couldn't keep their promise to previous buyers... So V1 zombies praise the fact that they never have to buy a 'new' unit... but that in itself is phasing their much beloved V1 out of the race as a 'Top RD' very quickly. You have to pay to play in this game to have a top RD...

[Sajin]

Sure is alot of trash talking going on these days. I cant wait to see what Mike & VR come up with.

[ghz1]

Originally Posted by AirMoore

Very very true DJ, I most likely bet they go the 'Money' route. When the V1 out priced it competitors it was 'worth it', when the V1 gets out-prices the competitors its simply 'outlandish' to have any other detector cost more then it.


I honestly also think one of the biggest things holding VR back, is their 'never obsolete' promise. This worked well in the past (V1 Zombies have reamed Belscort about having to buy a new unit ever ~3years), but it limits the amount of technology that VR can put into a new unit, and still 'cut-even' without making the buyer pay another 'full-price' for another unit.

Updates for the V1 are coming at an ever increasing pace (for things that supposedly have 'no impact on performance' mind you), and it seems like the 'updates' are almost always now costing money (fair chunks as well).

So how are they going to make a huge jump in 'technology' without it costing the consumer another full-unit price? Its simple VR cannot do it! Think about that for a minute... to cut even VR simply cannot afford to create a jump in technology that would make them completely 'redo' their units. Thats why VR doesn't have a spectre-proof unit (Or any real technology advancement since the early 1990's)! They couldn't stay in business, or they couldn't keep their promise to previous buyers... So V1 zombies praise the fact that they never have to buy a 'new' unit... but that in itself is phasing their much beloved V1 out of the race as a 'Top RD' very quickly. You have to pay to play in this game to have a top RD...

You guys almost sound like you know what you are talking about... not. What a joke.have you been thinking about this while you are on the pipe men? Vr have the right to renew the patent first. It's big money but yes they have the sole right you great heap of mouse droppings. I'm sure they are saving all that rip off upgrade money just for this. Airmoore you are full of it man. How in the hell did you come up with it's there fault for you broken knob????????? Your friend would not know ****. How would he even come up with any real conclusion about what happen when he never saw inside you V1??????That's amazing how you would trust some John doe over the people that make them it's really really amazing. Just goes to show what a puddle jumper you really are.
Another thing how rude you two are coming over here give a long term forum member a hard time. If you keep this up a may start to visit your forum and start crashing your threads. With stuff like why do bell support Craig Peterson when it's a known fact that he's a liar and a cheat???

[djrams80]

Originally Posted by ghz1

You guys almost sound like you know what you are talking about... not. What a joke.have you been thinking about this while you are on the pipe men? Vr have the right to renew the patent first. It's big money but yes they have the sole right you great heap of mouse droppings. I'm sure they are saving all that rip off upgrade money just for this.

I think this is wrong. If I understand the patent system correctly, renewing a patent is not about how much money the patent holder is willing to spend to keep it. It is about proving that the amount of money spent developing said patent, plus a reasonable amount of profit, has not been recovered by the company that owns the patent. Clearly, this is not the case with VR. So, if my understanding of the patent system is correct, VR has absolutely no shot at renewing this patent.

Originally Posted by ghz1

Another thing how rude you two are coming over here give a long term forum member a hard time. If you keep this up a may start to visit your forum and start crashing your threads. With stuff like why do bell support Craig Peterson when it's a known fact that he's a liar and a cheat???

I said nothing at all personal about V1 Dave. I have only debated the topics involved. As for the other forums, you are most welcome there, no matter what RD you own. Also, I think both Airmoore and I own a V1 and both enjoy it for highway driving.