Photo radar and facing your accuser?

[(in)Sanity]

So is there any truth to the idea that in court you can ask to face your accuser? In the case of unmanned photo radar tickets there is no person you can face that witnessed your acts? Just curious. The X50 saves me from the problems of photo radar for now, they do however have some that don't use radar out here, trip points in the road. It may just be a matter of time before they move to laser. I for one think anything can be defeated, it all just comes down to at what cost.

So does anyone have any info on the idea of facing your accuser, I'm in Arizona. There are tons of photo radar setups here.

[JTW]

I don't think this idea works because a speeding ticket is not a criminal offense. I could be wrong though, especially since I'm not a lawyer.

If you want to know more about photo radar a lawyer in your state wrote a book on it called, "Smile for the speed camera." You can purchase it at amazon.com or www.photoradarlaw.com

Chris

[Regis]

I believe you still have the right to face your accuser, in this case it is the guy who signed your ticket and mailed it out to you.

[nvr2fast]

So is there any truth to the idea that in court you can ask to face your accuser? In the case of unmanned photo radar tickets there is no person you can face that witnessed your acts? Just curious. The X50 saves me from the problems of photo radar for now, they do however have some that don't use radar out here, trip points in the road. It may just be a matter of time before they move to laser. I for one think anything can be defeated, it all just comes down to at what cost.

So does anyone have any info on the idea of facing your accuser, I'm in Arizona. There are tons of photo radar setups here.

How much warning distance do you get with photoradar? We're talking about seconds in my testing against the Multanovas, with the X50 giving the longest distance, the RX65 very close, and the V1 off (note: this is NOT the new EUR V1).

What frequency does your photo radar run at (like 34.2 or 34.3 or something totally different)?

[(in)Sanity]

How much warning distance do you get with photo radar? We're talking about seconds in my testing against the Multanovas, with the X50 giving the longest distance, the RX65 very close, and the V1 off (note: this is NOT the new EUR V1).

What frequency does your photo radar run at (like 34.2 or 34.3 or something totally different)?

It depends on the traffic. If other vehicles are passing the vans then I get a very good warning, most of the time so long I have to look to find the stupid thing. If there is no traffic at all and they setup the van correctly it doesn't give very much warning (still enough). This is K band radar. Not sure of the exact frequency. The radar uses a narrow beam diagonal across the road, so if nothing reflects it to the detector it doesn't pick up really well. My experience with countless vans has been that there is always something to reflect. Most of the time I'll get a low signal for a long time before I hit the van. One has to learn that those low constant signals are in fact something and not just a drug store. I noticed the Rev 5 x50 does a much better job keeping the false alarms down. The multi target display helps in some cases, the false alarms don't last at all long where the photo radar often will last for what seams miles.

So to answer your question quarter to two miles. It widely depends on how they setup and how much traffic.

[nvr2fast]

K band photoradar, aye? Sounds like Gatso-style like in the UK.

I wish SML would test the X50, RX65, and the new EUR V1, so we can see which is the best. I mean, if a detector does best on photo radar which is the hardest type to detect, regular radar guns would be dead simple to detect.

[DIBO]

nvr2fast,
why don't you propose SML to test the BEL TARGET EURO 550 Radar/Laser detector too?
It's a special model manufactured from BEL for Europe in cooperation with their Europe partner TARGET. It's very good with photo-radar!

[nvr2fast]

nvr2fast,
why don't you propose SML to test the BEL TARGET EURO 550 Radar/Laser detector too?
It's a special model manufactured from BEL for Europe in cooperation with their Europe partner TARGET. It's very good with photo-radar!

It is pointless, dude. SML doesn't want to believe photo radar exists, so I'm quite certain they will not test it, because many detectors will perform poorly.

Maybe if over half the radars in the USA are photo radar, maybe, just maybe, SML might have to admit photo radar is a valid threat and test against it, but until then, we can forget about SML doing any real tests besides "maximum distance" tests and similar.

[jimbonzzz]

It is pointless, dude. SML doesn't want to believe photo radar exists, so I'm quite certain they will not test it, because many detectors will perform poorly.

Yep, the majority of them wouldn't do well at all against photo radar. SML usually tests US detectors. There are some major differences in the international detectors used for better warning on photo radar, vs the regular US detectors, the international units usually have "narrow" modes that concentrate the sweep only on the photo radar frequencies, increasing sensitivity on those frequencies. However, in the US nobody would ever run in these modes bacause they could miss regular police Ka radar. If photo radar became more common here (which I believe and hope it won't), changes would need to be made to US detectors to address the threat. But right now, photo radar is a very rare threat, and concentrated to only a few geographical areas. Unless SML specifically starts to cater to the international community, I wouldn't expect them to start testing non-us detector models.

There should be some non-US websites out there that have decent reviews and tests against photo radar, using detectors made to specifically address the photo radar threat.

Jim

[(in)Sanity]

Just come to Phoenix and you can test all you want. If you can't find several photo radar vans here on any given day there is something wrong. If you are the only car on the road then your detector does very little. If however there is any traffic my X50 works very well from a pretty good distance. I would hae to say the average is half a mile with the max being a little over a mile. Half a mile is more then enough time. Now when no cars are on the road we are talking quarter mile or less. If your really doing something stupid your screwed. 10 over, it's no problem.

Sometimes they will park the van in such a way that it reflects off it's surroundings giving far more warning time. I have come upon at least one or two that gave quarter of a mile or less warning. They normally set them up in 35-40 mph zones so you should not be doing 90. If your just going 10 over your safe even with the very short warning time.

So yes I have many real experiences with the X50 and photo radar.

[vw242]

We will be getting photo radar vans here in Illinois. I was wondering if you have discovered the exact frequency of the k band units. The contractors website is http://www.trafficsafety.com/pss/offerings/speedcam.html

[Clandestine]

Yesterday I tested my new V1 3.825 (in Euro mode) against Multanova 6F. When the car was facing me, I got the warning around 300 meters in advance, which is very good. When I turned around for the radar to be parked in my driving direction I still got warning at 150-200 meters. Which is very satisfying, comparing to previous firmware, when I got 50 meters warning only...

[Flitsservice.nl]

We will be getting photo radar vans here in Illinois. I was wondering if you have discovered the exact frequency of the k band units. The contractors website is http://www.trafficsafety.com/pss/offerings/speedcam.html

This is the Gatso 24 system. We have A LOT of that in Holland: http://www.flitsservice.nl/cm_php/main_repo.php?id=2294

Bel 975 works very well against that.

[Flitsservice.nl]

Yesterday I tested my new V1 3.825 (in Euro mode) against Multanova 6F. When the car was facing me, I got the warning around 300 meters in advance, which is very good. When I turned around for the radar to be parked in my driving direction I still got warning at 150-200 meters. Which is very satisfying, comparing to previous firmware, when I got 50 meters warning only...

Well, facing away it should be around 300 meters. With my Bel 915R for sure with the antenne like this | instead of horizontaal.

Facing to me 400 to 500 meters is normal (like in Germany)

[Freestylepredator]

Breaking a speed limit is a law and because it is a law breaking it is a criminal offense. Under the constitution of the Unite States of America you have the right to face your accuser and the right to be tried by a jury.

Whether it is an unmanned radar or a radar in a police cruiser, your accuser is the radar gun NOT THE OFFICER. The officer is relying on the radar to tell him how fast you are going, so technically a lawfully you have the right to question the radar gun that told the officer how fast you were going. The officer can not say that he knows how fast you were going because that would be hearsay. The officer has no idea how fast you were actually going he is simply hoping that the radar gun told him the truth. With the right knowledge you can get out of any speeding ticket that was based on a Doppler radar reading. The only 100% accurate way to judge speed is a timed distance. There is no way of beating a ticket based on that method.
The Doppler radar gun lies because it does not measure actual movement it measures frequency shift. The theory of reading speed by Doppler shift is only 100% accurate when it is done in a very controlled environment. Because the radar gun is not 100% accurate when used in road conditions it should never be allowed in the court room. The lie detector is a very accurate machine but it is not allowed to be used as evidence unless the defendant allows it to be used because the Lie detector is not 100% accurate. So what is the difference? The Lie detector does not bring in Millions upon Millions of dollars of revenue to the court system everyday like the Doppler radar gun does. Do you remember being in a line of traffic and the radar sign would give a reading of 55 or 60 and sometimes even 90 when you know that you and all the other cars were barely doing 45 mph. That is a perfect example on how a Doppler radar gun is not accurate for reading speed and should never be allowed in the court room.
You are being tried for committing a crime, the crime of breaking a speed limit. Under the constitution of these United States you have the right to be tried by your peers. The court system does not like this and they try to make you think that you don’t have the right because it costs them more money, but you do have the right to a jury. There is an old saying that holds as true today as it was when it was first spoken “If you do not know your rights you do not have any.” Do not rely on the courts to tell you your rights because they won’t. When you know your rights it makes them work harder.

Of course all that is stated above will only work in an honest court system.
As far as the other countries go I have no Idea.

Now I am not a lawyer and I am not giving legal advice. I am simply a person who knows their rights

Things you need to Study

The Constitution of the United States of America.

Things you may want to read

The book “How to lie with Statistics”.

The article “Hand-in-Hand Scam” by Bill Stermer, Rider Magazine, April 1993 issue. This told how GEICO pressed to get people ticketed so that they would eventually loose GEICO coverage and have to by insurance from high rate companies which were owned by GEICO.

[Flitsservice.nl]

What I have learned from radarroy is that officers should be trained and be capable of estimating vehicle speeds with a 1 mile margin.