GOL RADAR SHOOTOUT TEST 1/28/06

[happya$$]

Guys we will be holding a radar testing session on 1/28/06. Thus far we will be testing the Escort DSP (1991), Valentine One, RX65, X50, STI, and some older ones. This will strickly be a radar test. We MIGHT sneak in a LIDAR detection on the STI to see if it is really improved on LIDAR detection. We should be able to nail this in one day. We will not be video taping do to time constraints. We will be taking plenty of pics though. Any equipment donations (loaning) would be greatly appreciated. This is what we need:

STI
Kustom KA gun


We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

[SmaartAasSaabr]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

[jimbonzzz]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

[Carlos from Spain]

How about getting the DF2 and the AL6 (and some of the older ones for reference) and do a new-jammer first contact as well? 8) 8)

* no videos needed for verification, just the reported figures, GOL already has a reputation of being honest.

[billgerr]

May I suggest that the generations of CMI detectors be tested? I realize this may add time, but it will certainly clarify the apochryphal ranking of detectors. I have my opinions based on owning a flock of radar detectors (no GULs, though) and I believe the 2nd gen Escort DSPs have the fewest falses (from Cobras) and modern Ka sensitivity.
The generations:
Original Escort
Passport
DSP (Motorola)
2nd-gen DSP, including 4500,4600,5000,6800,7500.
7500S (?)
8500,X-50 are Motorola DSP.

I'll supply a 5000 and an original Escort if interested.
Bill

[jimbonzzz]

How about getting the DF2 and the AL6 (and some of the older ones for reference) and do a new-jammer first contact as well? 8) 8)

* no videos needed for verification, just the reported figures, GOL already has a reputation of being honest.

Sorry no laser jammer tests this time. But, we will do one in the future as soon as production versions of both of these jammers are in the marketplace.

[billgerr]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

If I only drove in PA, I'd have a Passport or a DSP, too.

[jimbonzzz]

May I suggest that the generations of CMI detectors be tested? I realize this may add time, but it will certainly clarify the apochryphal ranking of detectors. I have my opinions based on owning a flock of radar detectors (no GULs, though) and I believe the 2nd gen Escort DSPs have the fewest falses (from Cobras) and modern Ka sensitivity.
The generations:
Original Escort
Passpost
DSP (Motorola)
2nd-gen DSP, including 4500,4600,5000,6800 and I believe the original 7500.
7500s,8500,X-50 are Motorola DSP.

I'll supply a 5000 and an original Escort if interested.
Bill

We'll see what happens and how much time we have. No need to send your 5000, I might have a couple :wink: I would be very surprised if the detectors you listed for "2nd Gen DSP" were even close to todays sensitivity on any band. But, maybe we'll find out for sure.

What do you know about the GUL detectors? Were't those early units by Beltronics or something?

Jim

[Tick Magnet]

Guys we will be holding a radar testing session on 1/28/06. Thus far we will be testing the Escort DSP (1991), Valentine One, RX65, X50, STI, and some older ones. This will strickly be a radar test. We MIGHT sneak in a LIDAR detection on the STI to see if it is really improved on LIDAR detection. We should be able to nail this in one day. We will not be video taping do to time constraints. We will be taking plenty of pics though. Any equipment donations (loaning) would be greatly appreciated. This is what we need:

STI
Kustom KA gun


We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

Cool. Imma lil confused. From the 2005 GOL shootout. The k,ka,x test that shows the mark of each detec. I see the V1 was at the top of each graph how many feet was it from the gun to where yall marked the detector reading?

[happya$$]

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

[jimbonzzz]

Cool. Imma lil confused. From the 2005 GOL shootout. The k,ka,x test that shows the mark of each detec. I see the V1 was at the top of each graph how many feet was it from the gun to where yall marked the detector reading?

It says at the bottom of each chart approximately how far it was from the first cone (Cobra) to the gun. You can add up all of the distances and figure out about how far away from the gun it was. But, it won't tell you too much about performance. That was specific to our test situation, every situation will be different. The purpose was to compare the performance differences between the detectors, not to get a distance from the gun.

Jim

[stalker]

whoohooooo

[crazyVOLVOrob]

I Like the testing area try to mark how many feet from the gun it was detected, unless thats what you did at the first test?

[billgerr]

I would be very surprised if the detectors you listed for "2nd Gen DSP" were even close to todays sensitivity on any band. But, maybe we'll find out for sure.

What do you know about the GUL detectors? Were't those early units by Beltronics or something?

Jim

I suspect there are differences between the 2nd-gens in that the case sizes differ quite a bit. At one time, Escort claimed the 4500 and 5000 were the same internally, although I doubted that all along as one has an LCD driver and a spectral display v. the conventional discrete LED display.

I find the 5000 to have Ka sensitivity roughly equivalent to the BEL 940 or 960 based on a stationary "your speed is" Ka sign in a nearby town. This surprised me as well. The V1 is better, of course. The BEL 940/960s are the Celerons of the RD industry as they appear to be 985s in sensitivity at a lower price point. My wife prefers the 5000 as it doesn't beep for Cobras---it merely displays "rejecting false signal".


The GULs were vintage BELs, IIRC.

Bill

[Tick Magnet]

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

Yup. New year. New detector. New location! :wink:

[ES13Raven]

Guys of LIDAR are looking for a couple of people who would be willing to send us their RX-65s to be used in performance testing later this month. This will be a perfect opportunity to have your own detector performance tested against other top units on the market, in some real-world speed trap types of situations. We also plan on testing USA vs INTL mode for Ka.

We plan to test the newer QL4G7M4 RX-65's against the older QL4G1S7 RX-65's to see if there are any significant performance differences. We are especially looking to obtain a couple of newer QL4G7M4 RX-65s, but a couple of the older QL4G1S7 would also help out too, to rule out any manufacturer variance.

If you would be willing to send us your RX-65 for testing, PM me or happya$$.

Jim

I will lend you guys my RX65 to help test these 8)

[amoney]

The expected comparison of Super Wideband Ka (international) and AccuSweep (USA) modes will be long awaited.

[stealthJamal]

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

Yeah, you should pick a new. A location where the people won't call the cops. :lol:

[Radar Roy]

should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

How about Arizona??

[jimbonzzz]

Do you guys think that we should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

Yeah, you should pick a new. A location where the people won't call the cops. :lol:

The old location has bad vibes. I sliced the sidewall of one of my Goodyear Eagle F1's pulling out of there.

I say we try the park in Sheffield.

[Tick Magnet]

should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

How about Arizona??

Hey that's a great idea! Maybe even Roy himself could help you guys out with the testing! Woooo woooo!

[A-TownNavi]

Is Boomerman going to be there? Ya'll need to test that RMR Eclipse :lol:

[crazyVOLVOrob]

should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

How about Arizona??

Hey that's a great idea! Maybe even Roy himself could help you guys out with the testing! Woooo woooo!Roy helped with the last testing. He did alot of explainning the stuff used in the testing

[Iknox]

We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

Ok so i wont hear how u guys fork out all this money and are looking to get alittle back pay or just to break it even?

[Iknox]

or sell us another vid?

[Veil Guy]

jimbonzzz,

I forgot about that.

BTW, how did that replacement tire work out for you?

B

[SmaartAasSaabr]

OK what's the cop and tire story :lol:

[jimbonzzz]

jimbonzzz,

I forgot about that.

BTW, how did that replacement tire work out for you?

B

It drove pretty good, I could feel the difference but it wasn't too bad. A LOT better than driving back to MI on a doughnut spare :D
Actually it is still on there. I'll probably buy a pair of the Eagle F1's this spring...

Jim

[Brent_Vino]

let me know where this test is going to be held... :D

[Radar Roy]

Is Jason going???

[csteph]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

Need an STi for the test? :wink:

[itisjustme]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

Need an STi for the test? :wink:

csteph,
PM Happya$$. I see where he had asked you if you wouldn't mind lending it to them for thier test in another thread on the board.

[happya$$]

Would be real great to see the STi versus the old DSP :lol: A friend of mine in PA swears by his PASSPORT. Yep, a real 22 year old PASSPORT :shock:

If we have time we'll try that too :lol:

Need an STi for the test? :wink:

HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

[csteph]

HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

GOL, you can count my STi in. What other units will it be up against? I hope a V1, x50 and Rx65.

[happya$$]

HELL YEAH so this way we KNOW 100% for sure that it is retail shipping product just like our other units!

GOL, you can count my STi in. What other units will it be up against? I hope a V1, x50 and Rx65.
X50,V1,RX65,Escort DSP, 8500,etc

[stealth9]

I'm hoping you guys are going to test with the original Passport 8500 and the Bel 985 / 995 for comparison, right? I'm especially interested in the comparison of Ka for the X50 and the original Passport 8500. Also interested in how much better the RX65 "really" (if any) is vs. the 985 / 995.

FWIW, the reporting of your last test's results was excellent. No BS comparison of features, etc. etc. Just pure detection results! A picture truly does say 1000 words, and the images with the detectors and distances was awesome...very concise and easy to interpret.

[brick]

The GULs were vintage BELs, IIRC.

Bill

I don't know if this counts, but I have a functioning (I think) Bel Vector 3 LX. As I recall it does X/K/Ka narrow. I'm about to go out of town but you guys can shoot me a PM later in the week if you want to bother with it. I think I'll drive around with it while my V1 is getting re-flashed to see how terrible it is.

[ES13Raven]

When it came time to do our detector tests, time was short and we knew that we wouldn't be able to be as thorough as we would have liked.
Will you guys have enough time to test everything in one day?

*RX65 - older hardware vs. new
*RX65 - Ka performance USA vs. INTL modes
*STi, RX65 & X50 Ka performance with POP on/off
*Full STi testing
*Everything else

I wish you guys had time to test different Ka guns as well: 33.8, 34.7 & 35.5 to see if some Detectors have better Ka performance with certain frequencies.

[happya$$]

I'm hoping you guys are going to test with the original Passport 8500 and the Bel 985 / 995 for comparison, right? I'm especially interested in the comparison of Ka for the X50 and the original Passport 8500. Also interested in how much better the RX65 "really" (if any) is vs. the 985 / 995.

FWIW, the reporting of your last test's results was excellent. No BS comparison of features, etc. etc. Just pure detection results! A picture truly does say 1000 words, and the images with the detectors and distances was awesome...very concise and easy to interpret.

We also have extensive video of all this but is on hold for confidential reasons

[happya$$]

When it came time to do our detector tests, time was short and we knew that we wouldn't be able to be as thorough as we would have liked.
Will you guys have enough time to test everything in one day?

*RX65 - older hardware vs. new
*RX65 - Ka performance USA vs. INTL modes
*STi, RX65 & X50 Ka performance with POP on/off
*Full STi testing
*Everything else

I wish you guys had time to test different Ka guns as well: 33.8, 34.7 & 35.5 to see if some Detectors have better Ka performance with certain frequencies.

We are going to test every frequency. There will be no video this time or POP testing so time should not be an issue.

[ES13Raven]

There will be no video this time or POP testing so time should not be an issue.
Ahh...

I know no POP guns vs. POP performance will be tested, but if you guys have time - a lot of people would like to see Ka performance tested with POP on vs. POP off. :wink:

[csteph]

any chance you'll get to test the RD's against a Spectre III?

[happya$$]

No plans on including a spectre III test

[jimbonzzz]

GOL, you can count my STi in.

Great! Thanks a LOT, we appreciate it. And the rest of the board will be thanking you for making the test results possible :D

Jim

[Iknox]

can anyone answer Roy and I i had a Question back on page 2 so did he. Thanx :)

[jimbonzzz]

can anyone answer Roy and I i had a Question back on page 2 so did he. Thanx :)

OK, here you go:


How about Arizona??

That would be great, but personally I'm too tapped out from Christmas to be buying plane tickets right now :(


Ok so i wont hear how u guys fork out all this money and are looking to get alittle back pay or just to break it even?

As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't have even been an issue before. But it seems that many of the people who wanted to to make an issue out of it haven't posted on the forum for a while, and were probably only here to start $hit in the first place.

All expenses this time will be out of our own pocket. If you appreciate what we're doing and would like to help out, feel free to send us some $ if you want, but we're not asking for it.


or sell us another vid?

Not this time, we're still working on getting the first one able to be sold. :lol:


Is Jason going???

I don't think so. It would probably suck for him to come up from Texas for only a day of testing. Would also be expensive without having part of his travel reimbursed.

Jim

[Iknox]

thank u jim

[crazyVOLVOrob]

IF you guys need a BEL 995 mine will be available....However is seems like you have enough detectors to test :lol:

[outrun]

should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

How about Arizona??

Yeah, if it was in Arizona I would go!!

Wait are there big spiders there???

[happya$$]

Yeah if we had unlimited funds

[outrun]

I can't wait to see what kind of cops decide to stop and talk to you this time. LOL. At least I won't be in the car. I sure wish you had a spectre. You could give that STI a run for it's money and see what happens. Is there a bunch of snow up there right now?

[sethy]

should keep the same location or should I start to scout for a new one?

How about Arizona??

Yeah, if it was in Arizona I would go!!

Wait are there big spiders there???

shut up :lol: :lol:

[sethy]

I can't wait to see what kind of cops decide to stop and talk to you this time. LOL. At least I won't be in the car. I sure wish you had a spectre. You could give that STI a run for it's money and see what happens. Is there a bunch of snow up there right now?

hell no, right now its summer weather... damn global warming.

[jimbonzzz]

If money is a issue. Why don't you guys just do the test from each of your home states. Do each seperate test and the combine the resluts. Like Jim do the ka testing, sethy do the k testing,and etc. Then just combine the reluts on the gol website

We want to be able to test all bands at the same location, to compare how a detector does against itself. And, if we did it like that, there would be a lot of shipping different detectors and radar units around...

Jim

[StlouisX50]

What about a location with some hills?

[Holla]

I got an old original passport with only X/K bands.....LOL


You guys going to be testing the V-1 with the 3.825 and 3,826 software to see if the KA band has increased?

[Tick Magnet]

If money is a issue. Why don't you guys just do the test from each of your home states. Do each seperate test and the combine the resluts. Like Jim do the ka testing, sethy do the k testing,and etc. Then just combine the reluts on the gol website

We want to be able to test all bands at the same location, to compare how a detector does against itself. And, if we did it like that, there would be a lot of shipping different detectors and radar units around...

Jim

Ok how about the GOL pick the one of your group members with the most experience and knowledge off all the detectors and radar guns. Everybody shipps the equipment to that GOL team lead to conduct all the test in one location. The price of shipping all the equipment won't nearly total the price of gas round trip for one GOL member.

[jimbonzzz]

Ok how about the GOL pick the one of your group members with the most experience and knowledge off all the detectors and radar guns. Everybody shipps the equipment to that GOL team lead to conduct all the test in one location. The price of shipping all the equipment won't nearly total the price of gas round trip for one GOL member.

Then, it would be "The Guy of LIDAR" :lol:

[Tick Magnet]

Ok how about the GOL pick the one of your group members with the most experience and knowledge off all the detectors and radar guns. Everybody shipps the equipment to that GOL team lead to conduct all the test in one location. The price of shipping all the equipment won't nearly total the price of gas round trip for one GOL member.

Then, it would be "The Guy of LIDAR" :lol:

How about JOL

[RapidTransitSystem]

I preferred Gays of Lidar much much better.

See you there Jimbo. :wink:

jkjk

:lol:

[Radar Roy]

Just booked plane reservations, be there in Clevland on the 27th, leave the 29th

Steve, get the drinks ready!!
Now I got to find a damn coat!

[happya$$]

Just booked plane reservations, be there in Clevland on the 27th, leave the 29th

Steve, get the drinks ready!!
Now I got to find a *BEEP* coat!

Are you being serious?

[Veil Guy]

Roy,

I don't think you are ready for this one.

If you think 60+ degrees is cold! :lol:

Veil Guy 8)

[jimbonzzz]

If anything will show that we are dedicated, this should :lol: :lol:

[sethy]

ill get the barf buckets...

[happya$$]

ill get the barf buckets...

Speak for you and Roy. I am not planning on barfing just making people burf

[Radar Roy]

If you think 60+ degrees is cold!

And 50 is FREEZING!!

[itisjustme]

If you think 60+ degrees is cold!

And 50 is FREEZING!!

Roy,
Just bring your deep snow boots, insulated underware, scarf and snow shovel:)

[stealthJamal]

I can't wait to see this. :lol: I'll volunteer to be the designated driver as long as I can drive someone else's car. Not puking in mine.

[drochebs]

I would love to see the newer Bel 895 and the older Bel 985 tested. After seeing the results from the Road & Track test. This will prove how good the 895 really is. I'm glad you are testing all frequencies. My birthday is on the 26th so I should get at least one wish. j/j.

Will be buying a new detector after your test. I trust the results you guys put out completely.

[sethy]

I can't wait to see this. :lol: I'll volunteer to be the designated driver as long as I can drive someone else's car. Not puking in mine.

id rather just sit back and watch this one :lol:

[Radar Roy]

Roy,
Just bring your deep snow boots, insulated underware, scarf and snow shovel:)

I don't have any of these, live in the desert of AZ

[sethy]

rent a snow plow.

then we can stealth it out and claim that radar roy stealthed out a snow plow, invisible to all police enforcement

[A-TownNavi]

just get 100 packs of "Hot Hands" , youll be alright :wink: :D

[brick]

just get 100 packs of "Hot Hands" , youll be alright :wink: :D

Those things are amazing. Self-heating hand warmers are the only thing that kept me alive back in my pep-band days.

(Yes, I was in the high school pep band...deal with it.)

[A-TownNavi]

just get 100 packs of "Hot Hands" , youll be alright :wink: :D

Those things are amazing. Self-heating hand warmers are the only thing that kept me alive back in my pep-band days.

(Yes, I was in the high school pep band...deal with it.)

you aint kidding. when i have a tournament in the winter times i always have some with me, you hands have to be warm. hey its alright, my friend greg was the guy that ran around like a mad man with our schools flag :lol:

[billgerr]

I would love to see the newer Bel 895 and the older Bel 985 tested. After seeing the results from the Road & Track test. This will prove how good the 895 really is. I'm glad you are testing all frequencies. My birthday is on the 26th so I should get at least one wish. j/j.

Will be buying a new detector after your test. I trust the results you guys put out completely.


I haven't seen the R&T test--please identify. Also, I'll send a BEL 940 and/or 960 if the GOLs like. I believe the 940/960/985 are all the same PCB and casting and differ only in software features. I may also have a 7500S to send. I've never seen a test of the 7500S, but I like the color :)

Bill

[csteph]

Now that Roy's going to be involved in the testing does this change the scope of what GOL will be testing on 1/28/06? Laser maybe?

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Now that Roy's going to be involved in the testing does this change the scope of what GOL will be testing on 1/28/06? Laser maybe?Roy was present at the last GoL in august and none of the scope was changed. The testing done depends on the time available is my bet.

[happya$$]

Now that Roy's going to be involved in the testing does this change the scope of what GOL will be testing on 1/28/06? Laser maybe?Roy was present at the last GoL in august and none of the scope was changed. The testing done depends on the time available is my bet.


We are sticking to the main agenda first. After our main priorities are fullfilled then we will go from there.

[happya$$]

Are you sill going to send us your STI since it is a shipping retail unit?

[csteph]

Are you sill going to send us your STI since it is a shipping retail unit?

yes, unless you don't need it. If you do, PM me the shipping details.

[TeamQuack]

so whats the deal with the video?

has anyone thought of just having a camera man constantly filming the whole process, like a "behind the scenes"/reality tv kinda thing. i mean u can film all the cars and jammers and stuff and you'll even have roy on there who is a RD celebrity as far as im concerned. just an idea :idea:

either way its gunna be a great day for all rd people!

[outrun]

I am ready to get this other video out. When can we let this video out Happy or whoever. It's got some girls in it! ! !

[RadarHell]

Well if you want to add a
Whistler 2SE Triband (wideband)
Escort 4500
Uniden 2300
Escort Solo (slender edition)
Whistler 975
Bel 645Sti
Bel 820
Bel 970LR
Escort Originial (analog meter)

Heck even an old modified X band S80

Let me know

[A-TownNavi]

Heck even an old modified X band S80

Let me know

i used to have an S80, those things are huge lol. both the the unit and the antenna. i had a K and X band, the K antenna wasnt bad but you couldve killed someone with the X band antenna :lol:

[RadarHell]

i used to have an S80, those things are huge lol. both the the unit and the antenna. i had a K and X band, the K antenna wasnt bad but you couldve killed someone with the X band antenna :lol:

Yeah tell me about it...this one had the ant. inside the unit. I took it out and length'n the cable so I could place it outside the car. Also I has just a kustom signal K band ant. I constructed a switch when I work for Radio Shack and tapped into the pwr to trigger it on and off to play with distancing detectors and to play with others that come screaming by me with detectors. I think back a few yrs ago someone call it a game. How many tailights can you light up." red light tag" or something.

[A-TownNavi]

lol i play that game all the time. i have a Muni Quip K-band police radar gun. i just sit im my driveway cuz its right over a hill and a perfect spot to catch people, i love it :lol:

[amoney]

A recent mention about the new STi having increased Ka falses due to supposedly crap detectors, would it be possible to experiment and see if that is the case. Becasue if that is so, that would be a disapointment, and of coarse a major factor in purchasing decision, if I am going to get phenominal range but then be hindered by frieghtening Ka alerts. From the discription it sounds like one could possible weed out the falses, weak Ka for a few seconds. Anyways just something I thought might be of interest.

[Veil Guy]

RadarRoy,

And 40 is SUBZERO!

...30 is LUNAR!

<20s, well that's simply FARGO! :shock:

Veil Guy 8)

[itisjustme]

RadarRoy,

And 40 is SUBZERO!

...30 is LUNAR!

<20s, well that's simply FARGO! :shock:

Veil Guy 8)

Well here in Northeast PA we went to 16 last night with a high of 22 today so I would think Ohio may be seeing simular weather now. I hope it warms a little by next weekend. If not Roy and his thin Arizona blood may be in trouble. Hey they sell electric heated socks.:)

[Holla]

Jeez, that nothing--a heat wave if you ask me.

Im sitting at 5 degrees, snowing and its at 6 inches and counting :D I love SNOW :P

[SmaartAasSaabr]

Jeez, that nothing--a heat wave if you ask me.

Im sitting at 5 degrees, snowing and its at 6 inches and counting :D I love SNOW :P

YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IT'S WARMER IN ALASKA THAN IT IS HERE?!!!

Forecast was like 2 F.

[Holla]

Jeez, that nothing--a heat wave if you ask me.

Im sitting at 5 degrees, snowing and its at 6 inches and counting :D I love SNOW :P

YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IT'S WARMER IN ALASKA THAN IT IS HERE?!!!

Forecast was like 2 F.

Well for now it is

[Radar Roy]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City

Got room for one more person if anyone wants to hitch a ride and chip in some $$$ for fuel

Heading out from Arizona on the 25th..

[ES13Raven]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City
Sounds like a good chance to test out the STi vs. X50, RX65 and V1 more :D

[itisjustme]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City

Got room for one more person if anyone wants to hitch a ride and chip in some $$$ for fuel

Heading out from Arizona on the 25th..

Roy, your just taking that motor home so you have a place to retreat for warmth. :)

Outrun I'm gald your going to be there it will be nice to meet you also.

[happya$$]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City
Sounds like a good chance to test out the STi vs. X50, RX65 and V1 more :D

That was my first thought!

[Veil Guy]

Not the way Roy drives...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :D

Veil Guy 8)

[compu44]

Stick Outrun behind the wheel! We'll have some crazy videos of 30mph camper u-turns chasing cops! :D

[Veil Guy]

Oh, without a doubt! :lol:

That's all Jason needs, is a BIGGER TRUCK!

Veil Guy 8)

[A-TownNavi]

:lol: i can hear the police talkin on the scanner now:

"All units be advised, callers are saying theres a camper weaving in and out of traffic, driving wrecklessly, and going through every speed trap at least 5 times. Its a standard white camper but it has the words www.radarbusters.com on the side. time out at 15:47" :lol:

[Radar Roy]

"All units be advised, callers are saying theres a camper weaving in and out of traffic, driving wrecklessly, and going through every speed trap at least 5 times. Its a standard white camper but it has the words www.radarbusters.com on the side. time out at 15:47"

OMG!!!

[boomerman]

Outrun driving the RV just scare the H**L out of me!! :lol: :lol:

[outrun]

Man that sounds like a good Idea. :D

NO NO NO not really. Driving a big truck or motorhome for that matter is not that easy. No U-Turns like that. Plus I just want to get to Ohio safe and sound and no tickets or even being pulled over.

That brings up one thing. What does it say on the side of the rig??

We just might get those head turns.

[Radar Roy]

That brings up one thing. What does it say on the side of the rig??


Radarbusters.com

[RacerX]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City

Got room for one more person if anyone wants to hitch a ride and chip in some $$$ for fuel

Heading out from Arizona on the 25th..

Done.
looks like i'm headed to Ohio. :)

[lordhamster]

So, is this thing going to be open for anyone who wants to come along and join the merryment? If so, can you post a place or address of the testsite and an exact time/date for us to meet there?

[csteph]

So, is this thing going to be open for anyone who wants to come along and join the merryment? If so, can you post a place or address of the testsite and an exact time/date for us to meet there?

:D thats a great idea.

[edweird]

4340 Colorado Avenue
Sheffield Village, Ohio 44054

:shock:


That's not the location, it's the PD!

[outrun]

4340 Colorado Avenue
Sheffield Village, Ohio 44054

:shock:


That's not the location, it's the PD!

HaHa ok yeah everyone go there and then we will pick you up in the RADARBUSTERS RV

don't do that

[happya$$]

No it is invitations only. We dont want a chaotic sittuation :)

[happya$$]

And just to let everyone know this is not going to be nearly as good as the mid April LIDAR shootout. Thus far we have Lidatek, Blinder, and Veil signed on. We are hoping to have Antilaser, Drivesmart, and Beltronics there also. I am confident that this will happen. This radar event was supposed to be a mini event with myslef and Jim but blew up to something bigger. I am still trying to figure it out LOL

[Holla]

Isnt that the way it always happens..Happy

[drochebs]

Just remember Mike V's rule #4

No detector-maker’s reps allowed near the test. It’s too easy for someone to conceal a transmitter that would signal his detector at the opportune time.

[Mackid343]

Well it looks like instead of flying, that I will be driving out to GoL

Taking my motorhome and picking up Outrun in OK City

Got room for one more person if anyone wants to hitch a ride and chip in some $$$ for fuel

Heading out from Arizona on the 25th..

i know you've got a blinder m-100 on that bad boy, dont you? :wink: :wink:

[csteph]

4) Drivesmart, Antilaser, Blinder, and Lidatek have ALL signed on to be in attendance

So your doing laser testing and radar testing next week?

[mystic]

That brings up one thing. What does it say on the side of the rig??


Radarbusters.com

Roy, please post a picture of this legendary beast. :D

[Holla]

Are you guys going to have the current V-1 software for this test? 3.826

[jimbonzzz]

Are you guys going to have the current V-1 software for this test? 3.826

Yes.

[Holla]

Are you guys going to have the current V-1 software for this test? 3.826

[happya$$]

Are you guys going to have the current V-1 software for this test? 3.826

Yes we will. I personally own version 3.826 and so does Sethy the boy

[guardian]

Please test with/without POP mode enabled on the V1, STI, RX55, x50, etc... or if that's not feasible, WITH it enabled, assuming people want maximum protection.

If you have some time, see if the 3.826 V1 picks 16ms-K better than before also..and if it does alert in l and L mode when range is maxxed..








When it came time to do our detector tests, time was short and we knew that we wouldn't be able to be as thorough as we would have liked.
Will you guys have enough time to test everything in one day?

*RX65 - older hardware vs. new
*RX65 - Ka performance USA vs. INTL modes
*STi, RX65 & X50 Ka performance with POP on/off
*Full STi testing
*Everything else

I wish you guys had time to test different Ka guns as well: 33.8, 34.7 & 35.5 to see if some Detectors have better Ka performance with certain frequencies.

We are going to test every frequency. There will be no video this time or POP testing so time should not be an issue.

[Techhead]

Seeing how the guys of Lidar are getting so well known, they must take an allegiance to take no pay offs from certain manufacturers as suggested with other webs site RD tests! LOL :P

[A-TownNavi]

alright there buddy, we got it the first time :lol: :wink:

[Techhead]

alright there buddy, we got it the first time :lol: :wink:

Browser button got stuck!

[Techhead]

Guys we will be holding a radar testing session on 1/28/06. Thus far we will be testing the Escort DSP (1991), Valentine One, RX65, X50, STI, and some older ones. This will strickly be a radar test. We MIGHT sneak in a LIDAR detection on the STI to see if it is really improved on LIDAR detection. We should be able to nail this in one day. We will not be video taping do to time constraints. We will be taking plenty of pics though. Any equipment donations (loaning) would be greatly appreciated. This is what we need:

STI
Kustom KA gun


We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education


Hey happy. I know you guys are getting inundated with requests, but can you do a quick check and see if radar and laser signals are effected by putting it behind the little black dot sun screens you see above the rear view mirror. I can’t get a clear answer on this? Thanks :D

[sethy]

This radar event was supposed to be a mini event with myslef and Jim but blew up to something bigger. I am still trying to figure it out LOL

forgetting someone JACK,4SS? :lol:

[AirMoore]

This radar event was supposed to be a mini event with myslef and Jim but blew up to something bigger. I am still trying to figure it out LOL

forgetting someone JACK,4SS? :lol:

:lol: :shock: :lol:

Yeah it would be cool to see the X50 KA range with POP on vs. off, and with x(and or) K band off. (granted you probably wont have that much time)...But POP on vs. OFF could be good.

Wish I could go :cry:

[V1 Dave]

I know you guy's are all booked up next weekend for so many testing procedures and I can hardly wait for the results but......because Bel/Scort uses a narrow antenna system that causes less false alarms or does not see anything on the sides I would like to see a test against the wide V1 antenna on hills and corners, LEOs favorite hiding spots.
Even if it is not your turn to be shot you need all the range that you can get to pick up that vehicle in front of you (rabbit) that might be shot.

Another favorite that only Car & Driver does is detecting range with radar in steady and instant on modes with the detector units filtered and non filtered.
This should have no or very little affect on K band and especially on Ka band. Many units have failed this in the past.
I actually asked Roy if SML could do this test for 06/05 and Roy responded that Carl would not do this test. Makes me suspicious.
I know that time is crucial but this is something that I would like GOL to test in the near future.

[jimbonzzz]

I think that a lot of people have the wrong idea about what the size of the horn antenna will do, such as the "tunnel vision" people talk about in reference to the Belscorts. A larger horn will provide more gain, but will also make it more directional. It shouldnt make it any easier to pick up signals from the sides, if anything, the opposite is true.

Jim

[ES13Raven]

because Bel/Scort uses a narrow antenna system that causes less false alarms
Just because the V1 uses a larger than average horn, that doesn't make the Bel / Escort horns "narrow" or small. If anything, they are standard or larger than standard. The V1 is definitely not the standard in the industry to measure everything else against.

[SmaartAasSaabr]

This radar event was supposed to be a mini event with myslef and Jim but blew up to something bigger. I am still trying to figure it out LOL

forgetting someone JACK,4SS? :lol:

1990fordescort / navycruiser dude? I don't think Happya$$ likes his guts...

[ES13Raven]

Guys of LIDAR are looking for a couple of people who would be willing to send us their RX-65s to be used in performance testing later this month. This will be a perfect opportunity to have your own detector performance tested against other top units on the market, in some real-world speed trap types of situations. We also plan on testing USA vs INTL mode for Ka.

We plan to test the newer QL4G7M4 RX-65's against the older QL4G1S7 RX-65's to see if there are any significant performance differences. We are especially looking to obtain a couple of newer QL4G7M4 RX-65s, but a couple of the older QL4G1S7 would also help out too, to rule out any manufacturer variance.

If you would be willing to send us your RX-65 for testing, PM me or happya$$.

Jim

I will lend you guys my RX65 to help test these 8)

OK Jim,

My RX65 (#AG033640) is on its way to you. Make sure and take good care of my baby. :wink:

[jimbonzzz]

Guys of LIDAR are looking for a couple of people who would be willing to send us their RX-65s to be used in performance testing later this month. This will be a perfect opportunity to have your own detector performance tested against other top units on the market, in some real-world speed trap types of situations. We also plan on testing USA vs INTL mode for Ka.

We plan to test the newer QL4G7M4 RX-65's against the older QL4G1S7 RX-65's to see if there are any significant performance differences. We are especially looking to obtain a couple of newer QL4G7M4 RX-65s, but a couple of the older QL4G1S7 would also help out too, to rule out any manufacturer variance.

If you would be willing to send us your RX-65 for testing, PM me or happya$$.

Jim

I will lend you guys my RX65 to help test these 8)

OK Jim,

My RX65 (#AG033640) is on its way to you. Make sure and take good care of my baby. :wink:

Great, I'll be watching for it!
I'll personally see to it that the Guys of LIDAR treat it with care :D

[sethy]

maybe we will use it in one of our sweet poses


Seeing how the guys of Lidar are getting so well known, they must take an allegiance to take no pay offs from certain manufacturers as suggested with other webs site RD tests! LOL

Yes, we get paid millions to keep our mouth shut on certain issues :wink:

[ES13Raven]

maybe we will use it in one of our sweet poses
Nice! LOL :lol:

[bearcat]

maybe we will use it in one of our sweet poses


Seeing how the guys of Lidar are getting so well known, they must take an allegiance to take no pay offs from certain manufacturers as suggested with other webs site RD tests! LOL

Yes, we get paid millions to keep our mouth shut on certain issues :wink:

Didnt you just get a signing deal from blinder for 8.5 million???

[sethy]

oh yes, but we need to keep that on the DL

[Radar Roy]

well racerx and i are still in Arizona

I-40 is shut down, road is iced over and there is an accident

At least we have beer, tv, and internet

[itisjustme]

Wow,
Ice in Arizona?

[Veil Guy]

When you head north of Phoenix, you go way up in altitude!

Veil Guy

[itisjustme]

When you head north of Phoenix, you go way up in altitude!

Veil Guy

Ohhh, I forgot about those hills. :oops:

[RacerX]

we're moving again but conditions suck.
wind,snow and icy roads.
visibility isn't too bad since it's not coming down too heavy.
I took some video.
we're still in AZ and it looks like bad weather until Albuquerque.

[itisjustme]

we're moving again but conditions suck.
wind,snow and icy roads.
visibility isn't too bad since it's not coming down too heavy.
I took some video.
we're still in AZ and it looks like bad weather until Albuquerque.

Drive safe!

[AirMoore]

we're moving again but conditions suck.
wind,snow and icy roads.
visibility isn't too bad since it's not coming down too heavy.
I took some video.
we're still in AZ and it looks like bad weather until Albuquerque.

Drive safe!

Yea x2 guys...drive safe. Better to get there a little late then get into an accident!

[AirMoore]

At least we have beer, tv, and internet

Ahh yes the essentials of a modern mans life. :lol:

[A-TownNavi]

At least we have beer, tv, and internet

Ahh yes the essentials of a modern mans life. :lol:


aint that the truth lol

[outrun]

About 10 hours from now I will be hookin up with the big wagon. RADARBUSTER.COM :D

Will get her back on the road and maybe get some video of detectors in use who knows. I am currently trying to find every long sleeve shirt I have, and I did, 3 of them lol. So, I have some thermal to go along with it.

[nvr2fast]

Please PLEASE try to do everything to minimize controversy... you know... dont leave any open ends... that way you can minimize people b1tching later.

[happya$$]

Temps are supposed to be around 45 degrees F. Sunny Saturday cloudy and rainy Sunday

[happya$$]

We are NOT making any money of this (like always), this is for us and the forum to see what is the best and for our education

Ok so i wont hear how u guys fork out all this money and are looking to get alittle back pay or just to break it even?

I am going to do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure your $#@$@$@ a$$ does not see any of our results! LEAVE the forum already

[Holla]

Posted in another thread, thought I would bring it over here!

I know it's extremely unlikely, but can the V1 tell if more that 1 LIDAR gun is hitting it?
Perhaps one of the GOL knows.

[happya$$]

Posted in another thread, thought I would bring it over here!

I know it's extremely unlikely, but can the V1 tell if more that 1 LIDAR gun is hitting it?
Perhaps one of the GOL knows.

No it can not

[AirMoore]

Posted in another thread, thought I would bring it over here!

I know it's extremely unlikely, but can the V1 tell if more that 1 LIDAR gun is hitting it?
Perhaps one of the GOL knows.

No it can not

No it can't because most wouldnt find it a very useful feature.
If you need a 'bogey counter' of sorts on LIDAR: :shock: :shock:

[compu44]

I suppose it might be able to in one way. The V1 does indicate front or rear for laser, I would assume both would show if it was detecting front and rear at the same time.

[SmaartAasSaabr]

I suppose it might be able to in one way. The V1 does indicate front or rear for laser, I would assume both would show if it was detecting front and rear at the same time.

Does it point front/back or does it just light up like a Christmas tree?

[compu44]

It will indicate front or rear for laser.

[happya$$]

Results will be able to be viewed soon by everyone EXCEPT Iknox.

[drochebs]

Does that mean today? Thanks

[mrmichael112002]

Praise the lOOOOOOOOOORd Hallleluhiah brothers and sisters....
Post them already!!!!

We should get a test set up in Mass one day.
there was a wolf pack 2 exits north of me last week on 495. Funny stuff when you use the "never lead the pack" driving habit. (not saying it is 100 percent effective) Duck and run has served me well as a good habit though. there is always someone who needs to go 5-10 mph faster than the tornado red audi....

So, back to my original question - if laptop was onsite....why not have a table ready to fill in and comment in progress with raw data, and feed us some detail asap.... I know the BIG REVIEW paragraphs are good, but we were all waiting like it was a trip to the moon! ;-)

[hookem202]

Where will the results be posted? On this tread or another?
Special thanks to the whole team who continuesly provide testing results for the emerging technology. :D :D :D

The effort you put into these thing is astronomical. Many of us have no clue of how much stuff is involed in each of yalls testing. Months of planning. Truely amazing!!!!!!!!!

[happya$$]

Where will the results be posted? On this tread or another?
Special thanks to the whole team who continuesly provide testing results for the emerging technology. :D :D :D

The effort you put into these thing is astronomical. Many of us have no clue of how much stuff is involed in each of yalls testing. Months of planning. Truely amazing!!!!!!!!!

I can tell you that we tested for about 8 straight hours. Again we learned new tricks that will make us more efficient for our next testing

[AirMoore]

Again we learned new tricks that will make us more efficient for our next testing

I could have told you drinking on the job would make you less efficient, thats not a 'trick'. :lol: :lol: I'm kidding of course!

[happya$$]

Again we learned new tricks that will make us more efficient for our next testing

I could have told you drinking on the job would make you less efficient, thats not a 'trick'. :lol: :lol: I'm kidding of course!

Roy got scared once again about drinking :lol:

[RacerX]

actually happy didn't bring his permision slip, so he could only "talk" as usual.
As soon as Roy called his bluff he became "quieta$$" :lol:

[Radar Roy]

Well RacerX, Outrun (who is now driving my rig) and I are heading home..

Other then the rain today, and the snow on our departure in AZ, the trip was great!!!

Hats off to the GoL for another great test!!!

Should be back at home Tuesday morning...

Now I need to keep an eye out on Outrun, to make sure he doen't find some poor X band Trooper on the road...

[happya$$]

Wow can can I say we had a GREAT turnout and I have a lot of people to thank. First I would like ot thank all of the forum members who sent their units to be tested. This is a GREAT way to know that we have RETAIL units. I would like to thank Roy for driving a million miles to come to Ohio, buy the food for the cookout, lend us his equipment, and completely staying out of our away and not interfering with our testing. Once again Roy is TRULLY a GENUINE AWESOME guy. It is great to have a great friend in Roy! I would like ot thank our team and participants for contributing anyhting they could to make this a great experience. It is SO NEAT to meet people from the forum. I would like to thank the Sheffield Village PD. This department was EXTREMELY professional, friendly, and even participated! I was in awe that they were that professional after all of the things that I have read! They were AWESOME and I look forward to seeing htem in April! The best part of all this guy is that we found AN AWESOME new LIDAR test site that is about 2500' long. No traffic, beautifull area! A LOT of hard work went into this and we learned a lot once again. The April event should be KICK A$$.

[spankyaf]

So what's the ETA for posting the results?? Inquiring minds want to know

[AirMoore]

So what's the ETA for posting the results?? Inquiring minds want to know

Your telling me I am about to find a bum... sit him at the local 'internet Cafe' pay him 5bucks a day to just sit there and watch for the results, and have him call me when they are posted (just incase I am in college I can run out of class to see the results).

It feels like christmas... im just waiting. :lol:

[spankyaf]

So what's the ETA for posting the results?? Inquiring minds want to know

Your telling me I am about to find a bum... sit him at the local 'internet Cafe' pay him 5bucks a day to just sit there and watch for the results, and have him call me when they are posted (just incase I am in college I can run out of class to see the results).

It feels like christmas... im just waiting. :lol:

Any particular item you're interested in? ie STI and LASER ......oh yeah get a life :lol:

[happya$$]

We are shooting for 8:00pm Eastern Time. I finished up the graphs last night and Jimbonzz is doing his thing

[spankyaf]

Thx now maybe I can get some work done. What time is that in Oz?? Hope its the middle of the nite :lol:

[AirMoore]

So what's the ETA for posting the results?? Inquiring minds want to know


Your telling me I am about to find a bum... sit him at the local 'internet Cafe' pay him 5bucks a day to just sit there and watch for the results, and have him call me when they are posted (just incase I am in college I can run out of class to see the results).

It feels like christmas... im just waiting. :lol:

Any particular item you're interested in? ie STI and LASER ......oh yeah get a life :lol:

I really am interested in the STi results, especially after Roy said it beat the V1 to a Ka band alert.

Thanks for those kind words of advice. :lol:

[AirMoore]

We are shooting for 8:00pm Eastern Time. I finished up the graphs last night and Jimbonzz is doing his thing

NO!!! I'M in class till 9PM in my 6-9PM 3 hour class. :cry: :cry:

Thanks for the approx time Happy! (Not to mention all the work you guys have been putting in behind the scenes.)

[Holla]

3hours and 15 minutes to go :shock:

[SmaartAasSaabr]

We are shooting for 8:00pm Eastern Time. I finished up the graphs last night and Jimbonzz is doing his thing

NO!!! I'M in class till 9PM in my 6-9PM 3 hour class. :cry: :cry:

Thanks for the approx time Happy! (Not to mention all the work you guys have been putting in behind the scenes.)

My college had computers all over the place, you couldn't walk 3 feet without stubbing your toe on a PC. Don't you have the internet on your phone?

[happya$$]

Guys please keep in mind that we are still amatuers. There are still professionals out there that do these tests for a living. We just do it for the love

[ES13Raven]

We are shooting for 8:00pm Eastern Time. I finished up the graphs last night and Jimbonzz is doing his thing
Can you tell us a little about the test site conditions? (distance, curve, hill etc.)

[spankyaf]

Tick tock tick tock.... are you guys gonna pulla an STI on us???

[happya$$]

We will post pics of the test site

[A-TownNavi]

Tick tock tick tock.... are you guys gonna pulla an STI on us???

he said 8pm man, its 10 till Eastern time. itll be here :wink:

[amoney]

OK I have run out of my sedative drugs, I can not stand waiting any longer! Taunting US with separating the Bel/Escort forum indicating Beltronics is in a new class above everyone else!!! I cant take it any more

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[mrmichael112002]

It is 804pm!!! post!

conference call??? hahaha

[Joe]

8:09 EST but who's counting

[OrlNmE]

8:15

[Techhead]

8:09 EST but who's counting

Just posted on site...http://www.guysoflidar.com/testjan06.html

[outrun]

Where are the results going to be posted. Which thread.

[jimbonzzz]

Results are posted at:

http://www.guysoflidar.com

[SmaartAasSaabr]

Well that's kinda lame

[OrlNmE]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

[amoney]

dah!


It was necessary to trim-down the range, so that the detectors wouldn't alert for the full length of the course. To accomplish this, instead of shooting the radar straight down the course, we decided to angle it across the road

b b bbb b bbb but why sir?

I think that just adds more ambiguity, you mean to say that all detectors alerted to the full lenght of the corse otherwise?

[Joe]

Nice Job, GOL, I appreciate your hard work!

See the results at guysoflidar.com




Joe

[happya$$]

Just these bands to test THOROUGHLY took 8 hours. We could have done a half a$$ job but that is not what we are all about

[Techhead]

Well It's great to see the V1 is on top with X,K, cleaned up on KU and 34.7GHZ Ku! Great job GOL. Many thanks for your time and dedication! The STI and RX 65 did great too! :D

[happya$$]

dah!


It was necessary to trim-down the range, so that the detectors wouldn't alert for the full length of the course. To accomplish this, instead of shooting the radar straight down the course, we decided to angle it across the road

b b bbb b bbb but why sir?

I think that just adds more ambiguity, you mean to say that all detectors alerted to the full lenght of the corse otherwise?

If the radar was pointed straight away the course was not long enough. New Jersey troopers angle their cruisers this way to cut down detection ability of detectors on their MPH K55 units

[amoney]

Just these bands to test THOROUGHLY took 8 hours. We could have done a half a$$ job but that is not what we are all about

I think the results are quite telling, especially Ka wide/narrow, plus seeing the difference between guns, but then again no surprise given the sweep of the oscilator, the middle 34.7 will be the longest rang, thank goodness my FHP troops use that alot.

I was hoping to see a old 985, but oh well. The rx65 looks to hold its own, I might be seriously upgrading to that and AL6. :D

[outrun]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

LOL, well there was only one day but yeah that is the radar stuff. Believe it or not it was not until the way home that I found out my v-1 was even being used lol. I didn't know any of the results until now. I like the graph.

Now that I know that my V-1 was tested I am disapointed in the results. Oh well it still works I guess.

[amoney]

dah!


It was necessary to trim-down the range, so that the detectors wouldn't alert for the full length of the course. To accomplish this, instead of shooting the radar straight down the course, we decided to angle it across the road

b b bbb b bbb but why sir?

I think that just adds more ambiguity, you mean to say that all detectors alerted to the full lenght of the corse otherwise?

If the radar was pointed straight away the course was not long enough. New Jersey troopers angle their cruisers this way to cut down detection ability of detectors on their MPH K55 units

I appreciate this more real world testing!

[itisjustme]

dah!


It was necessary to trim-down the range, so that the detectors wouldn't alert for the full length of the course. To accomplish this, instead of shooting the radar straight down the course, we decided to angle it across the road

b b bbb b bbb but why sir?

I think that just adds more ambiguity, you mean to say that all detectors alerted to the full lenght of the corse otherwise?

If the radar was pointed straight away the course was not long enough. New Jersey troopers angle their cruisers this way to cut down detection ability of detectors on their MPH K55 units

I worked in Jersey for 3 years and that is exactally how the JNSP use their radar and now PA has been doing the same latley. This methos is quite effective for the LEO's advantage and is quite a challange for us.
On the way home from GOL I hit 2 PA K band stationary staps set up just like that.
I also had hit two moving traps in Ohio.

[OrlNmE]

LOL, Outrun... I would be proud if I had a Valentine1. But I went with the RX65because of the size, voice and extra features. At least they both are still considered good detectors...

[Techhead]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

LOL, well there was only one day but yeah that is the radar stuff. Believe it or not it was not until the way home that I found out my v-1 was even being used lol. I didn't know any of the results until now. I like the graph.

Now that I know that my V-1 was tested I am disapointed in the results. Oh well it still works I guess.

Were you expecting the V1 to dominate in every catagory? It was first in X, K KU and 34.7KA!

[amoney]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

LOL, well there was only one day but yeah that is the radar stuff. Believe it or not it was not until the way home that I found out my v-1 was even being used lol. I didn't know any of the results until now. I like the graph.

Now that I know that my V-1 was tested I am disapointed in the results. Oh well it still works I guess.

I am sure others will be disappointed aswell, although the encouraging words of quality control from the VIP tour, it is scary that RD can differ quite alot. If in doubt send it back for a QC evalutation, others have said they believe their units were returned performing better from getting "repaired".

[OrlNmE]

To tell all the truth, the only thing I am disappointed is not knowing if any used the newer Bel RX65 M4 Rev. 2.9 . i am sure lots of people are curious to know how this would have played out. Nevertheless, excellent info!! Excellent work!!

[outrun]

LOL, Outrun... I would be proud if I had a Valentine1. But I went with the RX65because of the size, voice and extra features. At least they both are still considered good detectors...


Yeah I have all 3. I even had the RX-65 on the trip but didn't use it on the trip cause I couldn't mount it on the windshield. Hmm, I am still looking over these results.

OK SOMEONE LOOK AT ALL THIS AND DETERMINE WHICH ONE WAS THE BEST OVERALL. ALL WE DO IS TEST AND YALL COME UP WITH THE CONCLUSION. I am trying to look now at whichdetector did the best over all. Looks like it might be the express. :lol:

[OrlNmE]

I'm trading my RX65 for the express right now! LOL :o

[itisjustme]

Yeah the express took it home. :)

[Obsidian]

Was it just basically one pass per band with each detector, or are the distances an average?

-Obsidian-

[amoney]

Was it just basically one pass per band with each detector, or are the distances an average?

-Obsidian-

You got an Evo, what engine?! Sorry off topic.

[happya$$]

Jim do chickens have large Talons?.........Large Talons :lol:

[spankyaf]

Wow what a spread it kinda lets the air out of the bragging rights balloon though.

Thx to the GOL for doing the test. I couldnt figure out why I saw all the photos of the Lidar guns and this was radar only test but your methodology clued me in :lol:

[itisjustme]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

LOL, well there was only one day but yeah that is the radar stuff. Believe it or not it was not until the way home that I found out my v-1 was even being used lol. I didn't know any of the results until now. I like the graph.

Now that I know that my V-1 was tested I am disapointed in the results. Oh well it still works I guess.

Jason, thats because every time I saw saw you you were catching all of the great moments on camera. Great job you did at it and its great to have them saved.

[jimbonzzz]

Jim do chickens have large Talons?.........Large Talons :lol:

:lol:

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Wow! Nice work!!!! I am disappionted in the Bel RX65 Ku-range but then again I have never seen a Ku gun....I also had a feeling that the Beltronics would dominate 35.5 and 33.8 Ka they have those frequnecies on lock down....You'd be amazed with the range I get with my 995 on local PD handheld Talon. It's really hard to declare a winner! I think alot depends on what KA radar gun you plan on seeing the most!

Anyone notice how stealthjamals Escort 8500 rev 15 lacked in the Ka range? I wonder how his X50 would of done

[CactusMan]

I would like to thank the guys at GOL for a great and thourough test. Your work is appreciated. I would have been intresting too to see the Ku results if the STi and turned that band on. Good work guys. On the Sti, do you think it would take a software upgrade to turn Ku on or just push a series of buttons?

[f_399]

looks like both bel units came out on top with Ka

man the X50 did not do good at all

[outrun]

That's it?<<<<< Being sarcastic!! LOL

LOL, well there was only one day but yeah that is the radar stuff. Believe it or not it was not until the way home that I found out my v-1 was even being used lol. I didn't know any of the results until now. I like the graph.

Now that I know that my V-1 was tested I am disapointed in the results. Oh well it still works I guess.

Jason, thats because every time I saw saw you you were catching all of the great moments on camera. Great job you did at it and its great to have them saved.

Yeah, the day kinda flew by. I was taking pics then uploading them and the next thing I knew night was fast approaching.
Then it just had to rain on Sunda so we got one day. But it was fun. Oh, I slo did shoot some video that I will put up for free. I went along with one run to show you how it was being done. Other stuff like us grilling out and talking to officers. I have some video of the officer getting a jam on the stalker to!!

[amoney]

Now if you try to combine these results with that of the previous GOL test... such as the non X50 vs X50, where the although also a slight curve to the test site road, the non X50 dominated the new X50. But in this case with a different setup accross the strieght road, there was no difference.

Well, next time I am sending my old bel 985 and I am buying the fellas a round of drinks for the hassle.

The bottom line of this testing has revealed that.

1. Ka narrow is better then wide mode.

2. You performance will vary from one detector to the next.

3. STi is only worth it to those that live banned areas.

[f_399]

3. STi is only worth it to those that live banned areas.


agreed

impressive Ka performance though

[Radar 4 Ever]

looks like both bel units came out on top with Ka

man the X50 did not do good at all

Man you said it.

Thinking about buying an RX65 now.

[outrun]

This is a little off topic but you know I wish we had a chat room that we could all log into and discuss this stuff you know. Would be kinda cool.

[happya$$]

Dont just base your buying decision on pure results. Look at the whole picture (features, laser detection). Bottom line is due your homework and keep in mind that we are not professionals just hard core enthusiast with one goal and that is to genuinely find the best out there

[f_399]

looks like both bel units came out on top with Ka

man the X50 did not do good at all

Man you said it.

Thinking about buying an RX65 now.

its tempting...

Sti... not worth its price tag if radar detectors are legal in your place

[OrlNmE]

Good Point Outrun!!!

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Dont just base your buying decision on pure results. Look at the whole picture (features, laser detection). Bootom line is due your homework and keep in mind that we are not professionals just hard core enthusiast with one goal and that is to genuinely find the best out thereYeah features are a big thing.

I find it funny that turning POP on increases range with the 34.7 stalker

[licamell]

Good point Happy... the one thing people are forgetting when looking at these results is this is just detection, with greater detection you many times get more falses (of course not always true, but something to think about). Also... can you beat the blue leds on the x50? :D

[f_399]

V1 software upgrade made a difference!

wow its amazing that a software update can do that

what about euro mode? looks like it performed better... should we turn it on?

[Radar 4 Ever]

looks like both bel units came out on top with Ka

man the X50 did not do good at all

Man you said it.

Thinking about buying an RX65 now.

its tempting...

Sti... not worth its price tag if radar detectors are legal in your place

Couldnt agree more.

What do yall think from looking at the results? RX65 or X50?

I think it's hard to say...

[amoney]

Dont just base your buying decision on pure results. Look at the whole picture (features, laser detection). Bottom line is due your homework and keep in mind that we are not professionals just hard core enthusiast with one goal and that is to genuinely find the best out there

DAM!

We dont know about the STi laser detection, with all the fancyness, we can assume its better, but then again we thought the STi was going to blow everything away with Ka performance, we were wrong. Back to my poijnt it looks as thought hte STi is only worth it to those that drive in banned areas.

EDIT

Now although the rx65 seem to be ontop of the STi, the STi still had great performance, so those that need the stealth and want to py for it, it is there choice in determining the extra value/expense.

[f_399]

X what... huh.... what X50??? :lol:

on some bands it should be X -25

on others X20

it definitely isnt 50% better

[happya$$]

I did test the STI's laser detection on my own time before the crew came along and it is better than the RX65's detection but still not as good as the V1's

[outrun]

Yeah, without a doubt if you live in an area where radar detectors are banned the sti is for you. That succer is stealth. I like the buttons on the front and the look of it. Still glad I have my RX-65.

Now if I have time I just might try and find a stationary ka and do some range test of my own with the RX-65 and V-1. I was kinda shocked how one persons unit could do better than another persons unit and be the same version.

There was one time that the DSP didn't get hardly any range wait till you see that video. :lol:

[Radar 4 Ever]

Yeah, without a douby if you live in an area where radar detectors are banned the sti is for you. That succer is stealth. I like the buttons on the front and the look of it. Still glad I have my RX-65.

Now if I have time I just might try and find a stationary ka and do some range test of my own with the RX-65 and V-1. I was kinda shocked how one persons unit could do better than another persons unit and be the same version.

There was one time that the DSP didn't get hardly any range wait till you see that video. :lol:

I see that there was alot of the same detectors tested and some have better range then others. Why is that?

[amoney]

I did test the STI's laser detection on my own time before the crew came along and it is better than the RX65's detection but still not as good as the V1's

Thanks for that piece of information. I am sure the V1 forever will dominate.

[Radar 4 Ever]

If you have money to spend I would suggest buying "the top 3" They all have there own band that they shine in.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

Yeah, without a douby if you live in an area where radar detectors are banned the sti is for you. That succer is stealth. I like the buttons on the front and the look of it. Still glad I have my RX-65.

Now if I have time I just might try and find a stationary ka and do some range test of my own with the RX-65 and V-1. I was kinda shocked how one persons unit could do better than another persons unit and be the same version.

There was one time that the DSP didn't get hardly any range wait till you see that video. :lol:

I see that there was alot of the same detectors tested and some have better range then others. Why is that?Manufacture varience. There isn't a cookie cutter mold to make a detector. It's complicated

[jimbonzzz]

Yeah, without a doubt if you live in an area where radar detectors are banned the sti is for you. That succer is stealth. I like the buttons on the front and the look of it. Still glad I have my RX-65.

I like the buttons on the front too, I think that buttons on the top surface were the wrong idea in the first place. Why they had buttons on top, I don't know, glad they're getting away from that.

[amoney]

Yeah, without a doubt if you live in an area where radar detectors are banned the sti is for you. That succer is stealth. I like the buttons on the front and the look of it. Still glad I have my RX-65.

I like the buttons on the front too, I think that buttons on the top surface were the wrong idea in the first place. Why they had buttons on top, I don't know, glad they're getting away from that.

I look at it as they saw it ontop of the dash, so... the logical thinking, why not. Obviously high mount is better, oh well. It isn't like I use the butons all that often, so it isn't a big bother to me.

[spankyaf]

I did test the STI's laser detection on my own time before the crew came along and it is better than the RX65's detection but still not as good as the V1's

Thx for checking Happy.

[Techhead]

V1 software upgrade made a difference!

wow its amazing that a software update can do that

what about euro mode? looks like it performed better... should we turn it on?

The V1 wasn't on top with 33.8 & 35.5 GHZ KU...Time for another upgrade Mike! :wink:

[hoosier]

<<I like the buttons on the front too, I think that buttons on the top surface were the wrong idea in the first place. Why they had buttons on top, I don't know, glad they're getting away from that.>>

Buttons on the top let you press them without dislodging the unit from a velcro mount on the dash...? But they sure don't help with a suction cup mount or a visor mount.

[ES13Raven]

All I have to say is....

HOLY SH!!!T :D

[spankyaf]

E-13 I'll bet you can sell yours for a premium on the board :lol:

[hoosier]

Seems people owning all of the various models tested are a little disappointed in one way or another. Overall though as a V1 owner I'm not unhappy at all. Actually I wouldn't trade the 3.826's results for those of any of the others, and the laser has yet to be tested and of course the V1's got its other unique features. Yeah, I'm happy.

Detection on the other units was overall pretty darned good though; if all you want is to detect radar, most of 'em will do an OK job.

What's with that Ku range comparison though? V1, 2700 feet, RX65, 172 feet...? Are these the only two units that can detect Ku? Is it coming to the US anytime soon?

[crazyVOLVOrob]

What's with that Ku range comparison though? V1, 2700 feet, RX65, 172 feet...? Are these the only two units that can detect Ku? Is it coming to the US anytime soon?Ku isn't coming to the US anytime soon and I not even sure it was a Ku-radar gun they used to test Ku just something that leaks the Ku frequency

The V1, Bel RX65, and Bel V995 all detect Ku plus some other Bel detectors used in europe

[AirMoore]

Is it coming to the US anytime soon?

No (in the US) it really doesnt seem like it will be an issue for a long time to come... if it ever becomes an issue here.

[f_399]

because of these results i am replacing my v1!






























































with a newer v1 3.826 :lol:

[amoney]

What's with that Ku range comparison though? V1, 2700 feet, RX65, 172 feet...? Are these the only two units that can detect Ku? Is it coming to the US anytime soon?Ku isn't coming to the US anytime soon and I not even sure it was a Ku-radar gun they used to test Ku just something that leaks the Ku frequency

The V1, Bel RX65, and Bel V995 all detect Ku plus some other Bel detectors used in europe

GOL:


For Ku band, we used a 13.450 GHz oscillator, since we didn't have an actual Ku radar unit available for the test

Although it was not a focused radar gun, the V1 seemed to kick aZZ sort of speak. As said before the Ku wave form is so long that detecting it should not be a problem, just like X band. Although disapointing none the less.

Hats off to V1 for still being the most well rounded RD detector out there. High priced, but that value decision is up to the consumer.

[amoney]

because of these results i am replacing my v1!






























































with a newer v1 3.826 :lol:

I was like WTF... just a blank page, then I got it. :lol:

[RadarHell]

Buttons on the top let you press them without dislodging the unit from a velcro mount on the dash...? But they sure don't help with a suction cup mount or a visor mount.

Well the thought of having the buttons on top was to allow you to grab the unit as it was mounted on the center location on the windshield. As long as you are not hitting large bumps in the road to yank it off the WS.

Buttons located on the front requires the unit to be thicker, as some companies were keeping them thin. Also units like the Whistler uses roughly 5 buttons unlike (3)Escort and (1 technically)Valentine.

My Bel LR unfortunately, I use the visor mount, I dislike it sometimes if I have too close to the left corner of my visor it powers off.