Hey, Arizonans!

[tjbender]

The photo enforcement cameras on the Loop 101 in Scottsdale are up and running, and giving out "warnings" until Feb. 21. If anyone gets flashed, let me know if you really do get just a warning in the mail--though I suspect there's a cop sitting right behind the cameras watching for the flash so he can "warn" the horrible speeders with a ticket.

Supposedly these are non-radar installations, so don't count on your detector to alert you to them. I plan to drive up that way within the next couple of weeks and see what's there.

[vw242]

Sensors in the roadbed trigger the cameras and they expect to write 1000 tickets a day. Time to invest in a GPS .

[leepoffaith]

I live in Milwaukee Wisconsin and I just saw this system on our local news program. They are estimating revenue of 5 million per month!! Unbelieveable. Anyways, if these work as well as they are planning i'm sure they will go up other places. Will the VF photo jammer protect you from these camera's? I would hope so!

[tjbender]

Yes, it would, as would the Protector and Super Protector (which are both illegal in Arizona, and I've seen the tickets to prove it). Thing is, I don't think it's worth it, as the cameras are in one very specific, very limited area of the 101 right now, and as long as you know to go 75 or below between, say, 90th Street and Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd. (may not be the exact streets--I know they're all located up around the big northeastern bend the highway takes), you're fine.

[RacerX]

well I took one for the team and blew through their on the way to Roy's.

I took some video but i'm not sure if I got the flash on camera.
I have the SuperProtector so we'll see if it worked.

Roy says he'll try the VF when he gets back.

[stealthJamal]

RaceX,

Kicka$$! Can't wait to see the video. Let us know what happens.

[RacerX]

yeah, i'll keep everyone updated either way.
when I get back i'll put some video together.

they do appear to work off strips since I got no laser or radar alerts.
they are pretty obvious though.

[Rmc[AZ]]

Nice RacerX... I am looking forward to seeing the video.

They do work off of piezo sensor strips. I found this link: http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/photoradar/faq.asp

I was wondering, instead of defeating the camera or flash, is there any known method of defeating the strips (aside from slowing down... duh)?

I live at approx. 101 & Frank Lloyd Wright and drive through these things a few times every day... since they have been put in they add approx. 10 mins each way on my trips to Tempe... very frustrating when people slow down to 60 or even 55 through these, even though the speed limit is 65 and the ticket threshold is 76. There will no doubt be accidents caused by people slamming on brakes for the cameras.

Pardon me being new,
-Rmc[AZ]

[tjbender]

The way it's configured, I doubt if you could beat the strips, however you might be able to beat them in court by raising questions about their reliability. How did they measure your wheelbase to know the speed you were going? How can you be sure they didn't register the back tires of the car in front of you as your front tires? How do you know they targeted the right car?

Lots of questions, and I'm sure Redflex has an answer for all of them.

[SmaartAasSaabr]

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I was wondering, instead of defeating the camera or flash, is there any known method of defeating the strips (aside from slowing down... duh)?
Pardon me being new,
-Rmc[AZ]

Does it sense the "beginning" of the car or the tires? In either case you could have a "frame" poking maybe a metre ahead of the car, after passing strip 1 you'd raise it before hitting the next one as you are slowing down.

[Rmc[AZ]]

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I was wondering, instead of defeating the camera or flash, is there any known method of defeating the strips (aside from slowing down... duh)?
Pardon me being new,
-Rmc[AZ]

Does it sense the "beginning" of the car or the tires? In either case you could have a "frame" poking maybe a metre ahead of the car, after passing strip 1 you'd raise it before hitting the next one as you are slowing down.

Not sure exactly what it senses... however, I do know that the strips are not seperated. In other words, the strips are less than a car-length apart. I wish I had a picture of them... There would be no time to raise or lower something in the time you pass over them. Not a bad idea though... but that would be a lot of work.

Edit: They pretty much look like this:
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohpi/hss/presentations/piezo.jpg

There are 6 of them (2 for each lane I assume) and all 6 of them combined are about one car-length apart. It is a very limited area in which they actually measure speed, which shows that they are just in it for the money... kind of pathetic if you ask me. The thing is, not many people know how they work so they slow down anyway.

[Suf Daddy]

Anyone want to up the "record?"


QUOTE:
" The city has clocked vehicles traveling as fast as 127 miles per hour, and citizens complain about speeds. "

-Suf Daddy

[tjbender]

QUOTE:
" The city has clocked vehicles traveling as fast as 127 miles per hour, and citizens complain about speeds. "

First off, the 127 mph ticket was given in a *completely different* section of the 101. Literally miles south of the cameras.

Secondly, while I haven't been up there to confirm/debunk this myself, I've heard rumblings that cops are parking it just past the photo mechanisms, and running radar. Because virtually no one understands the difference between the Piezo strips used and radar, they're supposedly having a field day handing out tickets for "warnings."

[RacerX]

Just an update.

Rmc[AZ], welcome.
i can't think of any real way around it, other than slowing for the few seconds that you pass, then pick it up again.
any GPS that lets you put in waypoints or favorites would be handy. if i traveled there more often, i would definately put them in mine, so i get a warning just before approaching.

it's been 3 weeks so far and nothing in the mail.

Don't take this as an endorsement just yet though.

they may be backed up, or mad and trying to "figure out" my plate. :lol:

i'm not too happy with my video, the camera was a bit down angled and you can't see the flash, but nonethelss i'll put up something soon to at least show everyone what they look like.

they are fairly easy to spot, especially if you know what they are, but if they take down those temp warning signs, more people may get nailed.

As for legalities, that's a good question. there are 3 lanes with cameras on each side. with heavy traffic i'm wondering how many plates are blocked by cars, especially if you are in the middle lane.

i'll work on some type of vid clip, and of course keep you posted for anything in the mail.

Oh, and i'd "up the record" but my truck won't go that fast. :lol:

[LS2]

Yes, it would, as would the Protector and Super Protector (which are both illegal in Arizona, and I've seen the tickets to prove it). Thing is, I don't think it's worth it, as the cameras are in one very specific, very limited area of the 101 right now, and as long as you know to go 75 or below between, say, 90th Street and Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd. (may not be the exact streets--I know they're all located up around the big northeastern bend the highway takes), you're fine.

DON'T WASTE YOUR $$$$$
Those Anit-photo plates from TelstarOne (Specterguard) are a guaranteed ticket from any Law Enforcement Officer who sees your license plate simply because they don't work as they are viewable from every angle including from behind your plate. This company makes that claim that your license number is viewable from behind but it is a FALSE claim. By looking at all the disclaimers they post all over their website you should definitely know they will not take ANY RESPONSIBILITY OF STANDING BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT ON BEING EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT IS NOT.

[RacerX]

well it didn't work on the second time i tried it.

here's the link.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=102604#102604

[LS2]

well it didn't work on the second time i tried it.

here's the link.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=102604#102604
If those are SpectureGuard plates from TelestarOne out of Hermossa, Florida get rid of them as they will get you a ticket so fast because they will obstruct your license plate. This company is full of BS. THE LICENSE PLATE IS NOT READABLE FROM BEHIND although they claim it to be.
This is the advertisement:

The Super SpecterGuard is designed to defeat photo radar cameras mounted high
over-head, usually on poles, bridges, overpasses, and from side angle as well.


• The all-in-one solution! Protects you from Regular, Overhead, and High angle cameras!
• Proven defense against all Photo-Radar and Photo-Laser!
• Protect your privacy, avoid a costly ticket!
• Will not yellow! Guaranteed shatterproof!
• Sizes for all countries available! Get one now!


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The SpecterGuard is easy as installing a license plate cover...

How does photo radar work?
Special camera and computer technology combine to photograph the back of your vehicle as you drive by, and record your speed at that exact second. Based on the results - a ticket is then issued to the owner of the vehicle. Radar and laser detectors are ineffective due to the narrow beam width and angle across the road. Even if you do detect the beam, its too late. You're caught!

How does SpecterGuard work?
Photo radar operates at known angles to the direction of traffic flow. Using a passive, state-of-the-art light-bending lens, the camera is unable to identify your vehicle. A 5-minute installation is all that is required. Note that the license plate will still be completely readable from straight on.

1-Year Limited Warranty


Home | Original SpecterGuard | Over-head SpecterGuard | Super SpecterGuard | SpecterGuard Laser

Note: Buyer assumes all responsibility for using this cover in compliance with local motor vehicle codes in their area of vehicle use.

The license plate is clearly obstructed and blocked from straight on or behind it so steer clear of these crooks.

[LS2]

well it didn't work on the second time i tried it.

here's the link.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=102604#102604
If those are SpectureGuard plates from TelestarOne out of Hermossa, Florida get rid of them as they will get you a ticket so fast because they will obstruct your license plate. This company is full of BS. THE LICENSE PLATE IS NOT READABLE FROM BEHIND although they claim it to be.
This is the advertisement:

The Super SpecterGuard is designed to defeat photo radar cameras mounted high
over-head, usually on poles, bridges, overpasses, and from side angle as well.


• The all-in-one solution! Protects you from Regular, Overhead, and High angle cameras!
• Proven defense against all Photo-Radar and Photo-Laser!
• Protect your privacy, avoid a costly ticket!
• Will not yellow! Guaranteed shatterproof!
• Sizes for all countries available! Get one now!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The SpecterGuard is easy as installing a license plate cover...

How does photo radar work?
Special camera and computer technology combine to photograph the back of your vehicle as you drive by, and record your speed at that exact second. Based on the results - a ticket is then issued to the owner of the vehicle. Radar and laser detectors are ineffective due to the narrow beam width and angle across the road. Even if you do detect the beam, its too late. You're caught!

How does SpecterGuard work?
Photo radar operates at known angles to the direction of traffic flow. Using a passive, state-of-the-art light-bending lens, the camera is unable to identify your vehicle. A 5-minute installation is all that is required. Note that the license plate will still be completely readable from straight on.

1-Year Limited Warranty


Home | Original SpecterGuard | Over-head SpecterGuard | Super SpecterGuard | SpecterGuard Laser

Note: Buyer assumes all responsibility for using this cover in compliance with local motor vehicle codes in their area of vehicle use.

The license plate is clearly obstructed and blocked from straight on or behind it so steer clear of these crooks.
If you do go to their website notice all of the disclaimers they have because they do not guarantee their product and it doesn't work anyway.

[vedeta]

I first knew this product while browsing through the gumbalers team polizei website.
In the website shows a photograph o the vehicle equiped with these plate covers and 1/2 the plate is unreadable.
I was thinking of buying this product but after reading all your coments i have a lot of doubts about it...
I live in Portugal and the police forces are using a lot of road side mounted radars....What would be the best option to defeat these radars?

Thanks

[RacerX]

welcome.

if it's radar, i would do a little research into what bands they are and look for a detector that does well at picking it up.

here the test in question used strips in the roadway, so no radar or laser signal was used.

if the cameras use a single photograph with no video, the Superprotector might work for you.

it depends on the angle the cameras are at though.
here's a link to some tests i did at different angles on the SP.

http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?t=1397&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

this should get you started.

[AcuraCL9830]

Nevermind the Cameras on the 101, whats the best method of blocking the photo radar vans in AZ? They obviously don't use the strips on the road but does anyone know if they AZ vans use radar, laser, video, etc?

I don't speed much but those vans are always strategically placed in places where the speed limit is too low or way lower than the surrounding areas.

Is there a particular radar detector that works well with them?
Also, does the superprotector work on the AZ vans camera angle?

[q45taz]

Im a little worried I’d thought I would be fine but from reading these forums I am second thinking that, just moved to Scottsdale from northern Arizona, I was going about 100 passed the speed camera on the strait away on the 101 at about 1 am on sat night.... I have something similar to the super protector or it might be it... do you think anything will come of this? :(

[RacerX]

did you see the camera flash?

if you were the only vehicle around, don't be too surprised if you get a ticket in the mail. :( it's always possible it didn't catch it right, but not likely.
so far the only way of i know to get around it is to get a GPS unit and program the camera locations in. drop to 75 or below, get through, and continue on your way. they are supposed to be set for 76MPH.

of course watch for the usual cops around too.

anyway, welcome to the forum and let us know how it turns out.

[q45taz]

yeah it flashed for sure... i was looking right at it

[RacerX]

well since you looked right at the camera, did you at least give them a good smile for the ticket? :lol:

kiddin.

actually, yeah i would expect one in the mail by thu/fri. although it could take as much as 2 weeks.

of course if some stranger knocks on your door in the next 90 days, or you get any certified letters from Scottsdale, well, i suppose you don't need to answer the door or pick up and sign for the letter. :wink:


actually, i just thought of something. anything over 85 can be considered criminal speeding, so instead of a civil citation, they can technically arrest you for a misdemeanor.
so depending on how they wanted to enforce that, they may actually try to "officially " serve you, either in person by a clerk of the court, or by certified mail.

just FYI.

[AcuraCL9830]

how long do they have to serve you in person? Is it really only 90 days?