I voted for bush. All I can say is this 5 years to late. :roll:
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I voted for bush. All I can say is this 5 years to late. :roll:
Re: I know you!
Is that you Ben from signalsweepers? Mk
Corporate greed is the only reason gas prices are high. Everything else is an excuse for the corporations to raise gas prices. They hit record breaking profits last year and are going to break it again this year. All it would take for gas prices to go down is everyone stop buying gas from EXxon and Mobil. The two biggest gas companies in the world. they would have to lower their prices and in turn everyone would follow. OR go with the: don't buy gas for 3 days meathod.Originally Posted by kpatz
The dont buy gas methode for 3 days is not going to work, or either the email that tells everone to don't buy gas on so and so days. Logicaly, people will prefill up the day before, and after 3 days everyone will rush to go buy the same gas that they did not buy the day s before, gas companies are still going to make money.
NOW if all of a sudden everyone got up and rode the bus or walked or biked or carpooled etc etc etc and did not go t othe mall or any other waste full trips, now that will send a shock wave through the economy and there will be BIGGER special interest groups BIGGER than the oil companies to tell the government to knock this shyt off!
MObil/Exxon, even if you boycotted just those two will only make the other happy, its not enough pressure, we need leaders such as mayors, govenors, to make demand that our president will not make. In essence stop waiting the president to do something we all need to do it ourselves, sure it would be easier if the president would do it, thats what a leader is suppose to be there for, but if he does not feel that he should be budding into those kind of affairs... our nations dependency on another foriegn nation... and just saying that we are addicted to oil and there is nothing for us to do... there is lots we can do and if the president will not make changes then I guess our other city state leaders can, as like some other cities and states that have started to take an initiative.
Building codes, requireing buidings to be energy effiecient, just saw another show, and they showed a real building and has a varity of eco modifications and the utility bills are HALF, a buisness such as a pizza shop uses the heat from the oven to heat the water heater, for over one year since they have been open they have never needed to turn on the electic hot water heater! There are so many things.
Here's why prices are so high:
You guys are Killing ME
1. War in Iraq. Bush's fault.
Not really. Didn't some guy there kill a few million of his own people, set his peoples oil wells on fire, pay $20k per suicide bomber, have nastly weapons that kill people by the hundreds if not thousands of people at a time, doesn't this guy have miles of underground tunnels and hundreds of hidden bunkers, wasn't he working with the Russians in the late 90's (1996-98+) on where and how to hide his little boxes of tricks doesn't some of his own staff state some of this crap is in Syria, I'll stop now.
Not Bushes fault - some arse sitting on billions of oil who didn't give a sheet about his own people.
2. Instability in Iran. They're afraid Bush will invade them too. Bush's fault.
Doesn't their leader want to wipe Israel off the face of the plannet, didn't they go to war with the neighbors (pick one) in the last 20years, didn't he say he'd ship the crap over here and cause a nice mess....there's plenty more here.
3. Bush has buddies in high places in the oil industry.
And your point is?
Kerry knew people in high plases on the tomato industry - so I guess we'd be SOL if we wanted Catsup w/ our freedom fries?
4. Bush is buddies with the UAE.
Don't think they are buddies. I may be a good idea to have some friends over in the gulf.
5. Increased demand from China and India. Suddenly they're driving cars instead of bikes. Guess why... because Bush encouraged all the big companies to send our jobs over there.
Partial credit - China is a powerhouse and don't they like to buy oil from, oh who is it, oh yeah Iran and those former commies like Iranian crude too.
6. Katrina/Rita. This explains last fall's spike, but it doesn't really hold water now. Bush will undoubtedly use this as an excuse.
Too bad we havent had a refinery built in 28 years. That GW's fault too I guess. Too bad another presidential dude permenanetly close some more of OUR land to exploriation just after signing a deal with some other freak down in that really skinny country, but that was about 10-12 years ago, wasn't that rapist dude in office then? Doesn't hold water - most of those platforms aren't up and running either is much of the refineries. Any who decided to have all these gas formulas anyway? 87-89-93-94 w/ ethanol with this, with that, with something else. Maybe this has something to do with shortages, you know they gas you buy is different than mine which is different than what I can buy at the station 3 exits eith way on the highway.....
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7. Corporate greed. The real reason. Bush's policies pander to the greedy corporations.
Profits=greed I guess? Ever hear of inventory profits? Like this, oil is $40 a barrel and you have 100 million barrels in inventory, could be on the ship, in a pipeleing, in production, somewhere. SO now oil goes up to
That's all I'll say. If we had someone competent in the White House, who doesn't sleep with big oil, we'd be complaining about $1.85 gas prices about now... :
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7. Corporate greed. The real reason. Bush's policies pander to the greedy corporations.
Profits=greed I guess? Ever hear of inventory profits? Like this, oil is $40 a barrel and you have 100 million barrels in inventory, could be on the ship, in a pipeleing, in production, somewhere. SO now oil goes up to $60 a barrel. Well now um, how nuch do you sell what you have in inventory for? We'l if you want to buy oil later, you better sell it at the going rate. WHOLLY CRAP, you just made, 2 bbbbillion dollars. Hasn't the dollar gone sucky in the last 15 years....it was $1 USD was 1.2 euro...now its about $1 USD is .8 Euro...
that's like a 50% swing....hmmm hasn't oil had a similar swing...
Didn't Bush raise Cafe standards by exec order and not going through congress?
That's all I'll say.
Thanks, i already left a sea of typos.
If we had someone competent in the White House, who doesn't sleep with big oil, we'd be complaining about $1.85 gas prices about now... :
Better to have one that sleeps with interns and gets off watching them put stogies in the porschies.
FYI, the Gov't makes as much as $0.60 a gallon for doing nothing. Our enviro neo-commie whackos thought more tax = less use, uh they were, are and always will be wrong. They the same folks that thought all these different fuel formulas would be good for the environment, maybe, but wy not just have everyone burn the good stuff so we wouldn't have this shortage due to lack of production capabilities. What about all this saftey junk that adds 500-1000 pounds onto our cars? Takes a bit to haul that crap around all the time.
Public companies don't make profits, they make their stock go up and pay dividens to YOU.
There is no such thing a price gouging - move on to the next pump...
Light em' up kids...
Um no.
The problem in Iraq was the "Gulf War Mk II" started by Dubya has basically shut down oil production in Iraq, and also has made it's pipelines, refineries and production centres key targets for attack.
Previous to this the country was very stable.
This makes people speculate because they are "worried". Higher gas prices.
Iran - Iran keeps shaking it's scare stick, perhaps to make more speculation, raise prices and make more profits for itself, AND stick it to the West all in one. I don't think the Ayatollahs are smart enough for that...
Not true at all. While the total amount of oil being produced in Iraq is slightly below the max production under uncle Sadam it is still very high.
Some of you guys and girls need to spend a little time understanding commodities markets which is what both the crude oil market and the gasoline market are. Very small differentials between demand and supply, whether real or just perceived as real, create very large price swings. This true of every commodity be it oil, coffee, coca beans, gasoline etc.
If this country's environmental wackos and their brain dead political allies had not effectively eliminated any new oil exploration in Alaska, or off the U.S. coasts and effectively made it impossible to build new refinery capacity, we probably wouldn't be in the tight market we are now in. Into this mix you can throw the other great fiasco being currently pushed i.e. using corn to make ethanol as a substitute for gasoline. If you desire a fuel which uses more energy to produce than it provides, requires twice the volume to get the same range, causes severe corrosion in your fuel system and makes it almost impossible to get your car started in cold weather go to it. This is not idle speculation. I actually run my race car on alcohol and have used both methanol and ethanol. These fuels have some advantages in race cars where mileage is not a factor and engine cooling is a primary problem. Neither of these attributes have anything to do with street cars.
BTW the idea that so called "big oil" sets the day to day prices on oil or gasoline is flat out wrong. Go look up the commodity daily bid/ask data which is readily available and you will see how the price actually gets set. Anyone can and does bid on contracts. The market is worldwide. If "big oil" can control the price why didn't they do so a few years back when crude was 10 bucks a barrel and they were capping wells because they weren't profitable to operate?
The long and short of all this is the politicians are either stupid or think most Americans are stupid or both. All the BS from both parties about price gouging investigations will not bring one fluid ounce of new oil or gasoline to the market now or in the future. The fact that so many Americans believe this BS is depressing and doesn't speak very highly for the analytical ability of many citizens.
The main core of the price debate is the speculation on the oil itself. There is plenty of oil to go around, but people are worried about the current geopolitical spectrum, where the current President of the United States is one of the main people involved.
It is also dramatically affected by the rise in consumption in China and India.
And also from the lack of new drilling in ANWR.
But -
Note the way the oil prices are going, and note how the cost of gas at the pump has changed.
During the 1973-4 oil crisis oil went up to 50 dollars a barrel. But the price at the pump never touched $1.50 / gal - if you could get the gas itself.
The oil prices go up and down, up and down, but the gasoline cost just goes up, then up more
Gov't set the price in the USA under Carter Admin during that oil crisis.
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