Food for thought, ZR4 + STI-r Remote

**CJR238** · 03-03-2008, 11:21 AM

Man TSi+WRX you make things so easy for me, X2.

There was an original Video by GOL implying it locked out the hole band that I had been battling for months trying to prove that TrueLock didn’t block out the whole band (seemed like I was the only one). it was realized and tested by jimbonzzz and proved that it didn’t block out the whole band (+-30MHz blocks).
Then the discussion changed to weather the 30MHz block would in fact lock out a real threat after that location was locked (it was obvious at this point to not deliberately lock out a LEO). That’s when the new videos came out, one actually showed it working fine. Yes they were staged but the point was to show it’s possible and that’s why I did my thread.

There is a 0% chance of locking out a real threat in an area not using the same band. However if they do use the same band and same frequency in the same location and the signal isn’t much stronger than the false, sure you could have a problem, is it less than a %10 (if not 0%) chance if you use my TrueLock Tricks and Tips, yes.
So why did the 9500I get so beaten on? I’m not sure, something to do with a big hill and allot of winded old guys climbing it I think.

It has a small flaw like all RD's, Human error.

I would say you have the same chance of ignoring a threat on another RD in comparison to locking out a real threat.

The 9500I is very smart and gives you awesome tools that can make your dally commute quieter. But we need to remember on the 9500I you choose your lockout scenario not the 9500I so in the end if you don’t use my TrueLock thread as a guide you could have a scenario just like those Videos no matter how small the chance is.

the V1 shows a bogey for the interior and exterior door openers.

So does the 9500I in expert mode. :wink:

but I just don't understand why exactly the GOL video scenario would be unlikely, or 'extremely rare'.

These are the things that need to take place to have a problem with TrueLock:

1) Local radar is running in X or K
2) You lock out a location with X or K
3) the location you lock out with X or K happens to be the same 30MHz block the local LEO's are running
4) A LEO is running radar in that same locked out area.
5) His signal is of about the same strength of the false so it doesn’t alert out side the locked out area.
6) and lastly you are speeding in that "High Risk" area.

That’s more variables than what it takes to get a ticket with a RD that has no TrueLock.

Lucky225,Hopefully the 9500ci will give the option of choosing your own TrueLock locations or not.

**djrams80** · 03-03-2008, 11:36 AM

I forgot to mention 2 other things that I believe the LEO would have a difficult time reproducing in that second scenario:
1. This is probably at the very edge of the lockout radius, meaning that if you were coming from the other direction, you would probably get an alert almost all the way to the radar gun.
2. The radar gun seems to be targeting the traffic at quite an angle and distance from the road, probably causing some cosine error. From my experience, LEO's sit no more that 30ft off the road(usually within 10ft) and direct their radar guns along the path of the road, making them very easy to detect at long range, much longer than any lockout radius.

**Kayrac** · 03-03-2008, 12:48 PM

Ok so i don't want to cause any more problems than already seem to be present between the GOL and estorica, but estorica made a post in another thread as this

"Two microwave signals operating at or near the same frequency in proximity of each other will cancel out. There's no way in the real world a cop would be able to do what they are claiming in that video.

If you watch TV, the Discovery Channel, Myth Busters in particular, they had an episode that they were doing with different Microwave myths. One of the idiots on that show decided he would take the magnetrons out of 2 microwaves and put them all together to make one huge monster microwave. It didn't heat a thing when he had completed it and they had no idea why.

I can tell them why, when you have multiple microwave signals at or near the same freq operating in proximity at the same time they cancel each other out and become useless. On commercial microwave ovens that have multiple magnetron's generating the microwave signal they have to be properly phased (no margin for error) so they do not fire at the same time or overlap each other, otherwise it does nothing but make noise, draw power, heating absolutely nothing. Or in that case the police radar would certainly have to have a garbage reading. It will never happen like they show it in that video. There was never anything Escort needed to fix as a result of that, its a non issue.
"

and i was wondering if anyone else can confirm that? because if thats true, truelock is amazingly powerfull, and theres a few k bands i want to lockout myself

however please don't let me fuel the fire, always keep stuff civil, lifes to short

**djrams80** · 03-03-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lucky225

the 9500CI seems very attractive for it's GPS capabilities, but if it's anything like the 9500i, I can't afford getting a true signal locked out. The STI-r looks like a more promising detector reception wise and has super KA band 10 bands selectable on/off. My thinking is the STi-r and the ZR4 or a real jammer like the LI would probably be a better combination. Just some thoughts for those of you putting your money up on pre-order.

Back to this subject for a sec, the 9500ci and the STi-R use exactly the same RD, Ka band selection and all as far as I know. So by having the STi-R/ZR4 combination is just like having the 9500ci without the ability to lock out signals as far as I can tell, at least according to one company selling the 9500ci on the internet.

**CJR238** · 03-03-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kayrac

and i was wondering if anyone else can confirm that? because if thats true, truelock is amazingly powerfull, and theres a few k bands i want to lockout myself

however please don't let me fuel the fire, always keep stuff civil, lifes to short

Its possible for that to happen but very unlikely. Similar to falses drifting and the reason the 9500I uses 30MHz blocks is why that statement wont always work. To have that much interference affecting the real radar the false would need to be the exact same frequency as the LEO’s radar gun.
I believe Escort originally stated this too. The chance of a LEO running the same exzact frequency is even more rare then TrueLock locking out a real threat.

If you want PM me your situation and I can give you some options.

**Esoterica** · 03-03-2008, 03:58 PM

Finally got someones attention on this!

Sorry I had to pee you off to get there, but I've been trying to deal with this concern in the public forums here because it keeps coming up, again and again and again and it has me pee'd off.

I'll start with explaining why I consider this dis-information.

This very OP is a perfect example, we keep seeing person after person who does not even use or own the 9500i coming in here and spewing out their mouths that the Lockout feature absolutely does not work. They are convinced that the entire feature of the 9500i is completely flawed and does not work under any condition. They also are 100% convinced that if you have a signal locked out then all actual LEO radar in that area will then also ALWAYS be locked out.

If this was the GOL's intent or not is not for me to say, however, there is no question your presentation, and your outstanding reputation absolutely and directly gives people this direct misconception of the truth that they walk away from watching those video's with.

That type of one sided reporting, with what seems clear to be from obvious intentions of a deliberate false claim is not very responsible. Yes it does in my eyes strongly discredit the GOL when I see it or continue to hear the hundreds of people just like this OP who are convinced, based on their trust of the GOL that TrueLock does not work and will cause you to have actual police radar locked out.

Its just like they say, one bad apple ruins the entire barrel. For me, one deliberate false claim like this ruins any other credibility from all of the other outstanding testing you have done. I can't even help it when I see your other videos now to think there is underlying bias, or a degree of mistrust I have now just because of the taste these 9500i lockout videos leave in my mouth. That's not fair to the GOL as a whole at all, but that is exactly how these video's make me feel. I do not believe you guys have any desire to leave people walking away from your findings with that type of feeling, but you have with me because of this.

Here's the video that just pee's me off the most...

Escort 9500i True Lock being tested by the Guys of Lidar.

I admit, it is not found that I could see on the "official" GOL web site, but its clearly being conducted in the name of the GOL, clearly.

Here's another official unofficial GOL video that right off the start I have to question. He's PARKED in a parking lot picking up a K band false signal.
Hello? Please, anyone who has the 9500i knows first hand it does not alert to a K band signal when traveling under 15 mph. Clearly he had to go out of his way making the 9500i do something it does not even normally do just to make this video...

Guys of Lidar - Testing Escort 9500i True Lock Feature

There's another video on YouTube that does not directly say its from the GOL, but if you review other crap this person has out he definitely implies he is part of the GOL. This is the video that I think CJ was referring to in his post above...

YouTube - Escort 9500i TrueLock Problems

That last one is absolute BS, come on now, would anyone actually think that the engineers at Escort are so stupid they would just allow this to happen during their development stages? Please, that video is obviously and intentional flawed.

There are plenty of other videos with the official unofficial GOL name on them that also claim how the TrueLock does not work.

What I find to be the most ironic in all of this is where are any reports by actual 9500i owners and users in the real world that ever anywhere indicate they have had a single problem or incident of the Truelock feature EVER not working perfectly for them?

There are none I can find anywhere? Isn't that in itself rather odd? The 9500i has been out and in use for over a year now and not a single actual user of it has had any problems or complaints what so ever with Truelock either not working, or locking out actual police radar, ****ing ironic there don't you think?

I use Truelock EXTENSIVELY, and never once have had a problem with it, never once been able to experience or reproduce the claims as presented in these videos. Truelock works perfectly for me, I still get actual LEO alerts when in locked out areas, ALL THE TIME.

How do you explain this?

In my own mind and from using the feature my self, I estimate I have at least 50 locked out falses stored, at least 50, and never a problem. In my own mind, clearly something must be wrong with the videos. If there wasn't, myself, or the thousands of other daily users of the 9500i would be screaming about this being a realistic problem.

Do you hear our silence on the issue? Listen careful, you don't hear a thing, we use the thing everyday and never once see these situations reproduced in the real world.

That is where you are spreading DISinformation. You're implications would leave one to believe that they too should experience these same findings repeatedly, and yet none of us are experiencing this, ever.

Your DISinformation on this subject is having a very negative effect on people, a lot of people, people who see these videos as presented and trust the GOL and just take what they are seeing at face value and assume this must be how it is, despite the reality being this is not how it is.

If the Truelock feature actually did not work as described it would be your absolute responsibility to report such information, we would all expect that much from the GOL. However, this is not the case, at all, ask any actual owner and user of the 9500i what they think of Truelock and they will be like me, absolutely could not live without it, absolutely never had a single problem with it.

If you want to make a video of the Truelock feature make it a real video, showing how it actually does work. If you can come up with an extreme off the wall example in order to show a potential pitfall it could cause by an uncareful user show it, but explain to people if your not careful in your use you could accidentally lockout a true LEO signal.

This is the type of responsible reporting I would expect from the GOL, not just an intentional attempt to purposely discredit a capability that is clearly not even remotely as flawed as you present it to be.

You think your pissed off because I am calling you on this, trust me, your not half as pissed off as I am over this because of all the people I keep seeing who have the misconception that Lockout does not work based solely on the way in which you are implying such disinformation.

**Lucky225** · 03-03-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by focalcivic

Originally Posted by Lucky225

the 9500CI seems very attractive for it's GPS capabilities, but if it's anything like the 9500i, I can't afford getting a true signal locked out. The STI-r looks like a more promising detector reception wise and has super KA band 10 bands selectable on/off. My thinking is the STi-r and the ZR4 or a real jammer like the LI would probably be a better combination. Just some thoughts for those of you putting your money up on pre-order.

Do the math, if you get the STI-R with ZR4 heads then it will be the same price as the 9500ci, Might as well get the 9500ci and don't use the GPS.

I was doing the ebay math, not MSRP :P

**jimbonzzz** · 03-03-2008, 05:29 PM