Realistic 9500ci Q/T testing

[CJR238]

Good to see the $1600 detector is almost keeping up with the $400 one

Yes, but silence IS golden!

And sometimes it's flashing red and blue.

Wouldn't you just love to have a deaf mute bodyguard that might have seen an intruder but would rather filter it out and give you a silent death.

What I would really love is if V1 users like yourself, and a few of your girlfriends, were mute

I would love to have you drive on an interstate or highway at night and to have 10 people randomly placed up and down the road with radar guns using quick trigger to get your speed. You would drive down the road with your Belscort feeling confident and you would hear complete silence. I would drive down that same road with a V1 and hear 10 alerts with arrows pointing at the people shooting it.

You may like a girl that is mute but I will take a screamer all day long. Just let me know how much more you like your Belscort over a V1 in this situation. Tell me how noisy the V1 is and how bright and distracting the arrows are.

If you did this test with 100 people, 100% of them would choose the V1 over any Belscort regardless of price. This is not some special technique that cops use, this is the real deal and Belscorts really fail in this situation.

For me i like to have it all with my women, a screamer and the mute, they each have there own advantages and when they are both together its a perfect night.

It is "some special technique that cops use" because its something they do that's different than conventional usage of radar and goes against being thorough in there acquisition of a speeder. If this was used everywhere it wouldn't be special and a big common problem, however its rare depending on area so its is special.

At the very least my testing here proves there is more to QT response than the bench tests we have seen over and over. Its the combination of technique of the operator, response and distance of the RD.

[swarga]

Good to see the $1600 detector is almost keeping up with the $400 one

Yes, but silence IS golden!

And sometimes it's flashing red and blue.

Wouldn't you just love to have a deaf mute bodyguard that might have seen an intruder but would rather filter it out and give you a silent death.

What I would really love is if V1 users like yourself, and a few of your girlfriends, were mute

Speaking as a 9500ci owner, I'm glad to learn about its weaknesses from the other users of this forum. It's better to know the truth than to drive around in ignorance until you see the disco lights in your rear view mirror, wouldn't you agree?

[Silver Bullet]

Speaking as a 9500ci owner, I'm glad to learn about its weaknesses from the other users of this forum. It's better to know the truth than to drive around in ignorance until you see the disco lights in your rear view mirror, wouldn't you agree?

You missed my point swarga...same song different day by the V1 peanut gallery This info is not new so maybe they all should just move on! These guys work entirely too hard at persuading the masses that Belscorts suck. If you honestly believe that, you are on crack and need help. I don't know anyone who has a CI and think it's garbage. Does it have short comings? Yes it has a few, but this is by far the most advanced RD to date and it is amazing, flaws and all!!!!

[nine_c1]

For me i like to have it all with my women, a screamer and the mute, they each have there own advantages and when they are both together its a perfect night.

It is "some special technique that cops use" because its something they do that's different than conventional usage of radar and goes against being thorough in there acquisition of a speeder. If this was used everywhere it wouldn't be special and a big common problem, however its rare depending on area so its is special.

At the very least my testing here proves there is more to QT response than the bench tests we have seen over and over. Its the combination of technique of the operator, response and distance of the RD.

How can you say that? As Swarga mentioned, there has to be a consistent methodology when testing RDs against Quick Trigger radar shots!

The term Quick Trigger is ambiguous in that it refers to a technique, but the actual transmission time is generally agreed to be anywhere between .2 seconds to 1.0 seconds in transmission duration.

Now if I pull quick triggers of .9 seconds against my RedLine, I'll catch nearly every shot. However, if I reduce the transmission time down to .3 seconds, then I'll only catch 10% of the shots against the Kustom Golden Eagle 35.5 ka.

[ame="http://www.escortradarforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6451&postcount=16"]Escort Radar Forum - View Single Post - RedLine QT Testing[/ame]

This was on the bench, but according to you, range drastically improves reaction times on the Belscorts. So I did another test tonight with the RedLine and Kustom Radar to see if distance made a difference.

My results were no different at 900 feet, using 2 cars, than they were at 20 feet with the radar antenna facing away from the RD during bench testing. That is.........at .5 seconds I still caught only half the shots. Unfortunately, I did not have two way radios necessary to document that test, but I did get a video of the Kustom Golden Eagle getting consistent speed readings with just .25 second Quick Triggers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkxFYBWZqNA"]YouTube - Kustom Golden Eagle QT's[/ame]

So again, I don't question your results, but I do question the absence of using any means of timing your shots. I doubt the 9500ci is going to catch more than 10% of quick triggers pulled under .3 seconds.

[CJR238]

For me i like to have it all with my women, a screamer and the mute, they each have there own advantages and when they are both together its a perfect night.

It is "some special technique that cops use" because its something they do that's different than conventional usage of radar and goes against being thorough in there acquisition of a speeder. If this was used everywhere it wouldn't be special and a big common problem, however its rare depending on area so its is special.

At the very least my testing here proves there is more to QT response than the bench tests we have seen over and over. Its the combination of technique of the operator, response and distance of the RD.

How can you say that? As Swarga mentioned, there has to be a consistent methodology when testing RDs against Quick Trigger radar shots!

The term Quick Trigger is ambiguous in that it refers to a technique, but the actual transmission time is generally agreed to be anywhere between .2 seconds to 1.0 seconds in transmission duration.

Now if I pull quick triggers of .9 seconds against my RedLine, I'll catch nearly every shot. However, if I reduce the transmission time down to .3 seconds, then I'll only catch 10% of the shots against the Kustom Golden Eagle 35.5 ka.

[ame="http://www.escortradarforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6451&postcount=16"]Escort Radar Forum - View Single Post - RedLine QT Testing[/ame]

This was on the bench, but according to you, range drastically improves reaction times on the Belscorts. So I did another test tonight with the RedLine and Kustom Radar to see if distance made a difference.

My results were no different at 900 feet, using 2 cars, than they were at 20 feet with the radar antenna facing away from the RD during bench testing. That is.........at .5 seconds I still caught only half the shots. Unfortunately, I did not have two way radios necessary to document that test, but I did get a video of the Kustom Golden Eagle getting consistent speed readings with just .25 second Quick Triggers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkxFYBWZqNA"]YouTube - Kustom Golden Eagle QT's[/ame]

So again, I don't question your results, but I do question the absence of using any means of timing your shots. I doubt the 9500ci is going to catch more than 10% of quick triggers pulled under .3 seconds.

Very nice nine_c1, this is what we need more of. I don't disagree the time is important for measurement purposes. But going from missing every QT to getting almost every one was a big surprise for me when we were playing around. It did it very consistently so we videoed it. Obviously decreasing the amount of time radar is introduced will decrease the chances of picking it up, however there is a balance between the technique of the operator, response and the distance of the RD, which is when i noticed a difference.

Note: if you got 1/2 the shots that's much better than most bench tests we have seen. Facing away may have helped.

I will add a thought, we know how to defeat something, but are we realistically testing it? Do we know LEO's use this technique at 2,5? or 6.5? Is it possible the M3 V1 set ups we see aren't just LEO's doing QT but not getting a reading and trying again?

The one thing i noticed doing QT my self is you don't always get a reading by pressing too fast.

[nine_c1]

One other thing I discovered while doing my testing........since I didn't have two way radios, I tried using two cell phones to capture the audio of the RedLine alerting in the target vehicle..........no dice.

The cell phone in the radar car interfered not only with the audio recording on the Sony Webby.........it also kept triggering the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) indicator on the Radar Unit itself! The microwave emissions from these cell phones are NASTY!

[CJR238]

One other thing I discovered while doing my testing........since I didn't have two way radios, I tried using two cell phones to capture the audio of the RedLine alerting in the target vehicle..........no dice.

The cell phone in the radar car interfered not only with the audio recording on the Sony Webby.........it also kept triggering the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) indicator on the Radar Unit itself! The microwave emissions from these cell phones are NASTY!

Thanks, think a GMRS would be ok? Will bring a set next time i test. Ill also keep phones off just in case.

[nine_c1]

One other thing I discovered while doing my testing........since I didn't have two way radios, I tried using two cell phones to capture the audio of the RedLine alerting in the target vehicle..........no dice.

The cell phone in the radar car interfered not only with the audio recording on the Sony Webby.........it also kept triggering the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) indicator on the Radar Unit itself! The microwave emissions from these cell phones are NASTY!

Thanks, think a GMRS would be ok? Will bring a set next time i test. Ill also keep phones off just in case.

GMRS is UHF but the harmonics of the frequencies used would put it in the neighborhood of cellular phones. Can't say for sure, but if your KGE Radar is anything like mine, it will set the RFI indicator if it picks up interference.

[CJR238]

One other thing I discovered while doing my testing........since I didn't have two way radios, I tried using two cell phones to capture the audio of the RedLine alerting in the target vehicle..........no dice.

The cell phone in the radar car interfered not only with the audio recording on the Sony Webby.........it also kept triggering the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) indicator on the Radar Unit itself! The microwave emissions from these cell phones are NASTY!

Thanks, think a GMRS would be ok? Will bring a set next time i test. Ill also keep phones off just in case.

GMRS is UHF but the harmonics of the frequencies used would put it in the neighborhood of cellular phones. Can't say for sure, but if your KGE Radar is anything like mine, it will set the RFI indicator if it picks up interference.

Looks like remote video it is.

[Swamp]

How can you say that? As Swarga mentioned, there has to be a consistent methodology when testing RDs against Quick Trigger radar shots!

This gets tricky: we need consistent test methodoligies to compare different tests against each other, but in the "real" world, LEO's do not use a consistent method every time...sigh.

As a side comment here, somewhat off track, but worth mentioning, is that if you run a V1 and a Redline in the same vehicle, the V1 absolutely, positively interferes with the Redline. I got a V1 yesterday, and drove home with both units on. I pass 7 known false alerts over a 4 mile stretch on the trip, 6 K and 1 X band, and with the V1 on the Redline only alerted to two of the 7, and I repeated the 4 mile stretch 3 times to be sure. The Redline was almost as quiet as the IX, and the V1 alerted at all the spots where the Redline would normally alert.