Truelock Question (Yep Another One)

[tshrimp]

I also have an Autolearn question. Lets say I am in an area with a false K band and it locks out. As we know the 9500ix can see muntiple radar signals of the same type, so if I travel through that area again and there is a LEO also running K band the RD would see a 2nd signal and still alert to the 2nd signal. Would that be a safe assumption?

Thanks,

[CJR238]

I also have an Autolearn question. Lets say I am in an area with a false K band and it locks out. As we know the 9500ix can see muntiple radar signals of the same type, so if I travel through that area again and there is a LEO also running K band the RD would see a 2nd signal and still alert to the 2nd signal. Would that be a safe assumption?

Thanks,

I wouldn't say its a safe assumption, assumptions aren't safe to make. But it is a good chance you will be alerted before the lock out area, or the K band signal being in a difrent 30MHz block.

Read my TrueLock info sticky linked below in my sig if you want to understand completely. Read section 3 & 4 just under section 2.

[tshrimp]

I also have an Autolearn question. Lets say I am in an area with a false K band and it locks out. As we know the 9500ix can see muntiple radar signals of the same type, so if I travel through that area again and there is a LEO also running K band the RD would see a 2nd signal and still alert to the 2nd signal. Would that be a safe assumption?

Thanks,

I wouldn't say its a safe assumption, assumptions aren't safe to make. But it is a good chance you will be alerted before the lock out area, or the K band signal being in a difrent 30MHz block.

Read my TrueLock info sticky linked below in my sig if you want to understand completely.

Thanks CJR. I did read the posting you had at escortradarforums (very good btw), but didn't see a mention of a 2nd signal being present and how it would alert. I would think Escort would have it set where if there was a 2nd signal that wasn't normaly there then it would see and alert. What if the Kband is not in a different "30mhz block". Would it still not see that there is now an extra signal. (also this false K is very strong and I detect far off. If I had not been going this route for the last 10 years I would think it is real).

I ask this because I just got the 9500ix last week, and there is one area where a LEO sits that is near a K band false and he is also running K band. I would like to keep the false signal filtered, so if I hear somthing I know it is him.

[CJR238]

I also have an Autolearn question. Lets say I am in an area with a false K band and it locks out. As we know the 9500ix can see muntiple radar signals of the same type, so if I travel through that area again and there is a LEO also running K band the RD would see a 2nd signal and still alert to the 2nd signal. Would that be a safe assumption?

Thanks,

I wouldn't say its a safe assumption, assumptions aren't safe to make. But it is a good chance you will be alerted before the lock out area, or the K band signal being in a difrent 30MHz block.

Read my TrueLock info sticky linked below in my sig if you want to understand completely.

Thanks CJR. I did read the posting you had at escortradarforums (very good btw), but didn't see a mention of a 2nd signal being present and how it would alert. I would think Escort would have it set where if there was a 2nd signal that wasn't normaly there then it would see and alert. What if the Kband is not in a different "30mhz block". Would it still not see that there is now an extra signal. (also this false K is very strong and I detect far off. If I had not been going this route for the last 10 years I would think it is real).

I ask this because I just got the 9500ix last week, and there is one area where a LEO sits that is near a K band false and he is also running K band. I would like to keep the false signal filtered, so if I hear somthing I know it is him.

Think of radar from a false is 1/2 a glass of water and radar from a LEO is another glass 1/2 filld with water. Now poor one into the outher glass and tell me which is which.

With that understanding Escort needed a way to see the difrence between K band and K band. The only way was to break down K band into 30MHz blocks. So....



Lets say the false is 24.164 and the LEO is 24.150. If this happens AutoLearn/TrueLock sees it as the same block and signal, therefore it locks it out as well. Its not very likely but it can happen.

Note: A falses radar frequency can drift do to age, or temperature. Therefore smaller than 30MHz blocks would cause lock outs to be inconsistent.

If your concerned use my "risk scnareos":

“The Scenarios”
1) In areas where police X band isn't used, lock out X band falses the first time you encounter them. (No Risk & best area for AutoLearn)

2) In areas where police K band isn't used, lock out K band falses the first time you encounter them. (No Risk &best area for AutoLearn)

3) In areas where police do use K/X band but never sit in that area it would be a Low Risk lock out point. You will most likely lock this point out. (You may not want to use AutoLearn and manually lock out)

4) In areas where police K/X band is used and they do sit in that area it would be considered a (High Risk) lock out point (You may not want to lock this point out, or not use AutoLearn).
Detection range will usualy trump the small lock out area in the first place and provide ample warning/alert before the lock out point (react to any alert no matter how small). In most cases Auto mode will also do a good job filtering these falses if you chose not to use TrueLock/AutoLock.

If you decide to lockout a false in a High Risk area to mute the alert you should still drive through the area with caution if you suspect any chance it could lock out police radar. The same rules would apply if you were using any non GPS capable detector and instead pressed your mute button in false area. Simply treat the spinning satellite icon in your display as a silent alert and proceed with your own discretion and best judgment.
(There is all ways the option of turning off GPS when speeding in a "High Risk" locked out area)

ix AutoLearn Risk scenarios: Use the above threat risk scenarios to determine the usage of AutoLearn. I suggest turning off AutoLearn in High Risk areas and manually locking out if you feel its safe. AutoLearn should be used sparingly and according to your Risk area.

[tshrimp]

I also have an Autolearn question. Lets say I am in an area with a false K band and it locks out. As we know the 9500ix can see muntiple radar signals of the same type, so if I travel through that area again and there is a LEO also running K band the RD would see a 2nd signal and still alert to the 2nd signal. Would that be a safe assumption?

Thanks,

I wouldn't say its a safe assumption, assumptions aren't safe to make. But it is a good chance you will be alerted before the lock out area, or the K band signal being in a difrent 30MHz block.

Read my TrueLock info sticky linked below in my sig if you want to understand completely.

Thanks CJR. I did read the posting you had at escortradarforums (very good btw), but didn't see a mention of a 2nd signal being present and how it would alert. I would think Escort would have it set where if there was a 2nd signal that wasn't normaly there then it would see and alert. What if the Kband is not in a different "30mhz block". Would it still not see that there is now an extra signal. (also this false K is very strong and I detect far off. If I had not been going this route for the last 10 years I would think it is real).

I ask this because I just got the 9500ix last week, and there is one area where a LEO sits that is near a K band false and he is also running K band. I would like to keep the false signal filtered, so if I hear somthing I know it is him.

Think of radar from a false is 1/2 a glass of water and radar from a LEO is another glass 1/2 filld with water. Now poor one into the outher glass and tell me which is which.

With that understanding Escort needed a way to see the difrence between K band and K band. The only way was to break down K band into 30MHz blocks. So....



Lets say the false is 24.164 and the LEO is 24.150. If this happens AutoLearn/TrueLock sees it as the same block and signal, therefore it locks it out as well. Its not very likely but it can happen.

Note: A falses radar frequency can drift do to age, or temperature. Therefore smaller than 30MHz blocks would cause lock outs to be inconsistent.

If your concerned use my "risk scnareos":

“The Scenarios”
1) In areas where police X band isn't used, lock out X band falses the first time you encounter them. (No Risk & best area for AutoLearn)

2) In areas where police K band isn't used, lock out K band falses the first time you encounter them. (No Risk &best area for AutoLearn)

3) In areas where police do use K/X band but never sit in that area it would be a Low Risk lock out point. You will most likely lock this point out. (You may not want to use AutoLearn and manually lock out)

4) In areas where police K/X band is used and they do sit in that area it would be considered a (High Risk) lock out point (You may not want to lock this point out, or not use AutoLearn).
Detection range will usualy trump the small lock out area in the first place and provide ample warning/alert before the lock out point (react to any alert no matter how small). In most cases Auto mode will also do a good job filtering these falses if you chose not to use TrueLock/AutoLock.

If you decide to lockout a false in a High Risk area to mute the alert you should still drive through the area with caution if you suspect any chance it could lock out police radar. The same rules would apply if you were using any non GPS capable detector and instead pressed your mute button in false area. Simply treat the spinning satellite icon in your display as a silent alert and proceed with your own discretion and best judgment.
(There is all ways the option of turning off GPS when speeding in a "High Risk" locked out area)

ix AutoLearn Risk scenarios: Use the above threat risk scenarios to determine the usage of AutoLearn. I suggest turning off AutoLearn in High Risk areas and manually locking out if you feel its safe. AutoLearn should be used sparingly and according to your Risk area.

I understand what you are saying here, and read it in the sticky, but I would think it would be easy for it to also see ONE K band over and over and locks out, but it sees a second one so it alerts.(does not unlock, but just says "hey an extra signal I don't care if it is the false or a LEO as I might not be able to tell, but I should say something as there are 2 I am an use to seeing one". So it ignores that a lockout has ever taken place for this instance.

As we know the 9500ix can tell you when there are muntiple signals. If the lockout is one signal and it sees 2 then it alerts. I see this more like 2 separate glasses of water. They are separtate, so I can see them both. So I alert.

Maybe I am just lost on this, and/or over simplifiying

[CJR238]

I understand what you are saying here, and read it in the sticky, but I would think it would be easy for it to also see ONE K band over and over and locks out, but it sees a second one so it alerts.(does not unlock, but just says "hey an extra signal I don't care if it is the false or a LEO as I might not be able to tell, but I should say something as there are 2 I am an use to seeing one". So it ignores that a lockout has ever taken place for this instance.

As we know the 9500ix can tell you when there are muntiple signals. If the lockout is one signal and it sees 2 then it alerts. I see this more like 2 separate glasses of water. They are separtate, so I can see them both. So I alert.

Maybe I am just lost on this, and/or over simplifiying

Over simplifying, maybe. Which is why i used the simple water analogy. So you are correct that when there are multiple signals (different 30MHz blocks) it will alert you if the lockout is one signal and it sees 2 then it alerts. But that isn't 100% all the time because 2 radar sources can fall within the same 30MHz block.

It "can" tell you if there is multiple signals, like how you could tell the difference between 2 separate glasses of water. However if both signals are exactly the same (within a 30MHz block and area), same as pouring the 2 glasses of water in one. It cant tell the difference, same as we couldn't with water.

Technically K band is a range of frequency that's approved like 24.050 through 24.250. Police K band is usually around 24.150.
Now K band signal can be 24.050, .051, .052, .053, .054 all the way to 24.250.
This would be imposable for Escort to use each specific frequency to alert to multiple frequencies because of frequency drift and the accuracy of there spec mode. That's why they use 30MHz blocks instead.

So when you here multiple signals detected and its showing 2 K band signals its because its different 30MHz blocks not a specific frequency difference. There is no way to be that accurate reading the signal or prevent drifting of a frequency, there are too many variables so that's why they use 30MHz blocks.

[tshrimp]

I understand what you are saying here, and read it in the sticky, but I would think it would be easy for it to also see ONE K band over and over and locks out, but it sees a second one so it alerts.(does not unlock, but just says "hey an extra signal I don't care if it is the false or a LEO as I might not be able to tell, but I should say something as there are 2 I am an use to seeing one". So it ignores that a lockout has ever taken place for this instance.

As we know the 9500ix can tell you when there are muntiple signals. If the lockout is one signal and it sees 2 then it alerts. I see this more like 2 separate glasses of water. They are separtate, so I can see them both. So I alert.

Maybe I am just lost on this, and/or over simplifiying

Over simplifying, maybe. Which is why i used the simple water analogy. So you are correct that when there are multiple signals (different 30MHz blocks) it will alert you if the lockout is one signal and it sees 2 then it alerts. But that isn't 100% all the time because 2 radar sources can fall within the same 30MHz block.

It "can" tell you if there is multiple signals, like how you could tell the difference between 2 separate glasses of water. However if both signals are exactly the same (within a 30MHz block and area), same as pouring the 2 glasses of water in one. It cant tell the difference, same as we couldn't with water.

Technically K band is a range of frequency that's approved like 24.050 through 24.250. Police K band is usually around 24.150.
Now K band signal can be 24.050, .051, .052, .053, .054 all the way to 24.250.
This would be imposable for Escort to use each specific frequency to alert to multiple frequencies because of frequency drift and the accuracy of there spec mode. That's why they use 30MHz blocks instead.

So when you here multiple signals detected and its showing 2 K band signals its because its different 30MHz blocks not a specific frequency difference. There is no way to be that accurate reading the signal or prevent drifting of a frequency, there are too many variables so that's why they use 30MHz blocks.

I got it. If the RD states muntiple signals detected it IS using different blocks, so should alert. I can be slow sometimes.....Heck I dare say most of the time.

Thanks for your help clearing this up.

[CJR238]

I got it. If the RD states muntiple signals detected it IS using different blocks, so should alert. I can be slow sometimes.....Heck I dare say most of the time.

Thanks for your help clearing this up.

Yes, that is correct.

[EscortRadar]

Detection distance is also a factor, even if the detector thinks it is just one signal, not two. Police radar is much more powerful than false alert sources and will broadcast far outside of the lockout region for that nearby false that you want locked out.

For instance, if he sits near a door opener false alarm that is very close to the same frequency as his radar then you should still receive a warning well before you get to the area where it would not alert to it (thinking it is the false alert).