Escort Redline Ka Falsing?????????

**happya$$** · 03-27-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by nine_c1

Originally Posted by happya$$

I do not have an issue of shooting over a sneak peek either but do have an issue If manufactures start changing wording or try to manipulate changes, which I can not say is happening or not. To me it is essential when a test occurs the units tested are blindly purchased. In your tests they were and in a couple of other forum members tests they are too. I can not understand why that on "professional reviewers tests" they are not. This is why I hold high value to tests like yours. They are as pure as they come and represent what consumers are driving with. Speaking of RD tests when is your next one? I am a huge fan of your guy's work.

I agree that in tests like those run by GOL, where specific data is recorded, the units under test should be retail and not factory supplied for that specific purpose.

Even then there is some gray area, for instance, personal units that are sent in for a tune up prior to testing. These units might get tweaked to ensure they meet the high end of the spec as opposed to just verifying that they fall within the "normal" parameters. However, buying brand new units (especially in multiples) for every test is flat out not affordable. Even Valentine indicated that Car & Driver no longer runs these tests due to the expense of aquiring all the equipment.

In the end you just do the best you can and avoid introducing any units you suspect to be above or below average performance for that model. The real litmus test is how our results match up with what other folks have personally experienced. If test results don't align with 1st hand experience in the field then either the test was flawed or the units under test were not average performers for that particular model type.

The days are getting longer and warming up. I'd like to see what Escort has in this new QKL95I and give Valentine just a little more time to introduce something new!

Maybe sometime in May I can get the boys together again and put something on. Meanwhile, we are all lining up for the the next GOL showing!

I am a HUGE fan of you and your team because we both have the same agenda. Find the best performer and use it on our own personal vehicles. I agree with sending units in for a tune up and NOT using these units for tests. You just never know so why take the chance? I want tests that represent what the average consumer is getting. Next GOL event is coming SOON, and a few invitations are going to be sent out. It would be nice and beneficial if we plan a spring event by both teams and hit different areas so we are not duplicating work. We can get a lot more work done for this community.

**CJR238** · 03-27-2011, 11:15 AM

To be honest I don't really think the manufacturers care too much about our testing, let alone making special "hot" models for us unknowing testers to test. A situation like that hasn't happened in many years and is really unnecessary.

There is also "blind" tune ups that can insure normal performance.

Quite a few new and interesting things happening within the testing groups. This year should be very interesting, especially if i get my hands on a STi-R Plus.

**powerpickle** · 03-27-2011, 06:42 PM

I would love to see some new testing. Most of the prominent tests are two years old,personal units tested against refurbs,two of a particular brand are used like Valentine One but only 1 of other brands with relevant models left out so there isn't duplicating.
That may sound accusatory but that isn't intended and I know that buying brand new units just isn't feasible.

**nine_c1** · 03-27-2011, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by powerpickle

I would love to see some new testing. Most of the prominent tests are two years old,personal units tested against refurbs,two of a particular brand are used like Valentine One but only 1 of other brands with relevant models left out so there isn't duplicating.
That may sound accusatory but that isn't intended and I know that buying brand new units just isn't feasible.

Good points.

However, I'm sure everyone that has ever attempted to put on a test will agree, it's nearly impossible to satisfy everybodys expectations.......let alone that of the tester(s) themsleves.

The cost and variety of detectors out there inevitably dictates the inclusion of personal units.

Then you have the time required to put each detector through the gamut of tests! A perfect test would have multiples of each detector to guage unit to unit performance variations as well as older units to use as a reference point.......ex. how does the newer M4 compare to the older S7. The latter is extremely important in keeping manufacturers honest and to verify if the "new and improved" is really not "new and cost reduced"!

But yes......a test with just new models bought over the counter would be a worthy read.

**djrams80** · 03-27-2011, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by powerpickle

I would love to see some new testing. Most of the prominent tests are two years old,personal units tested against refurbs,two of a particular brand are used like Valentine One but only 1 of other brands with relevant models left out so there isn't duplicating.
That may sound accusatory but that isn't intended and I know that buying brand new units just isn't feasible.

We try to test as many new units as possible, but it gets expensive. We also attempt to clear up whatever controversy might be going on at that particular time. Keep in mind though, we also do this testing for ourselves, meaning that we want to know how the units we rely on every day perform in comparison to others. For that reason, you have seen alot of V1s tested in the past, more for personal reasons than for the benefit of the general public.

**powerpickle** · 03-27-2011, 09:15 PM

I wish that I about 10 grand laying around that I didn't need! lol
I see that a lot of time is put into just the videos to post them which has to be commended and not over looked in any way.

**speeddemon** · 03-27-2011, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by djrams80

Originally Posted by powerpickle

I would love to see some new testing. Most of the prominent tests are two years old,personal units tested against refurbs,two of a particular brand are used like Valentine One but only 1 of other brands with relevant models left out so there isn't duplicating.
That may sound accusatory but that isn't intended and I know that buying brand new units just isn't feasible.

We try to test as many new units as possible, but it gets expensive. We also attempt to clear up whatever controversy might be going on at that particular time. Keep in mind though, we also do this testing for ourselves, meaning that we want to know how the units we rely on every day perform in comparison to others. For that reason, you have seen alot of V1s tested in the past, more for personal reasons than for the benefit of the general public.

I don't know what to say to that other than add 2-3 new members with detectors not already represented into your group if you don't want to buy the latest or accept test models from the manufacturers.

**djrams80** · 03-27-2011, 09:40 PM