Redline POS

[djrams80]

Will it need to be connected to Live! at all times to benefit those features or can you connect it to Live! one time to do the update, then run without it?

Not sure yet. I'll let you know.

[Mustang_guy17]

thank youuu. Now i might get escort live.

[OpenRoad]

thank youuu. Now i might get escort live.

Its my experience with I/O and any detector that terrain and vegetation have a HUGE impact on range. I just posted a video here that shows a 5 mile detect on I/O in the desert, however the day before I was driving near my home in Santa Cruz mountains where there are 100 foot Redwood trees, and I caught a CONSTANT ON CHP trooper, but just 5 seconds before he rounded a turn.

I got a ticket a year ago on I/O in the desert, that time the cop had just finished writing up a ticket on the other side, got back onto the highway and I was the first I/O shot he made - 90 mph in 75 zone.

[nine_c1]

Will it need to be connected to Live! at all times to benefit those features or can you connect it to Live! one time to do the update, then run without it?

Not sure yet. I'll let you know.

I'm pretty sure that once the firmware is updated in the detector with "Expert Mode", you will not need EscortLive to be connected.

They are still figuring out how to execute this offering and a download through EscortLive is a strong possibility, but it should not need to be "connected" once these features are loaded onto the detector.

[Swamp]

Bummer about you ticket.
However, I don't think the Redline is to blame at all; it alerted when the LEO shot you, and it didn't alert when he didn't shoot any other cars as he approached you.

Here are two recent videos, the first was Jan 5 of this year, the second was about 2 weeks ago. Nothing special about either encounter in terms of a save or anything, but they're applicable in your situation.
I had already edited "Smyrna I-O 1" so I can't show the time before the hit, but I can assure you that I had not received any Ka alerts at all for at least several miles (since I passed the police station with cars parked out front with their radar left on). "Smyrna I-O 2" is rather long and boring, but I left it long to illustrate the point that LEO's using I-O don't necessarily tag enough cars for you to get any warning. I-O 2 starts with me going east, then I loop around to the south, the west, and finish up going north. During this time, my STi-r+, which is mounted 7' above the ground on top of the headache rack on my truck swept east-south-west-north with it's antenna, and my V1, mounted in the cab at the top of the windshield swept the same areas with it's front antenna, and at the same time was sweeping west, north, east and then south with its rear antenna. During this loop, neither detector alerted, so I think its' pretty safe to say that the LEO did not shoot anyone during this time. And if he did, and both a V1 and an STi-r+ missed it, there isn't much else a guy could have done to avoid a ticket!

http://vimeo.com/user7802577/smyrna-i-o-1

http://vimeo.com/user7802577/smyrna-i-o-2

As a final piece of info, here are links to two videos from last summer, of a TN State Trooper shooting I-O, where the time between shots was 3-8 minutes. In these videos, I have the STi-r+, Redline and Whistler 3600 running (the V1 was out on loan) and you can see (hear) that the Redline lagged behind the STi-r+ by a only fraction of a second. The Redline has no problem at all with I-O; its Q-T (sub 1-second bursts) that gives it trouble)

[Mandingo]

Great stuff indeed. Thanks !

[Digital Dude]

I'm not familiar with the RD's enough to know what tones equate to which RD's. Either way I enjoyed the videos.

[bxd20]

Wow! Very sad.
I really wanted to like this unit.
I have a V One but don' t use it unless I am on the open interstate.
Was looking for something to cancel out all the K band speed signs I am encountering. As I approach the city.
Will Escort solve this issue anytime soon?

The new V1 with Traffic Monitor System is supposed to block those K band speed monitors. I'm going to upgrade from my older V1 to a new one.

[Ven0mizer]

Does Escort live help at all with these issues?

Escort Live is a terrific new tool in the counter measures tool chest, but not a substitute for good detection capabilities. It's highly dependant on who else around you is using it at the time and what they report. You really do not want to use it as your sole protection against short duration Instant On.

Is this an issue with all Escort models or just with the Redline?
Just started a 30 day trial With a 9500ix.

All domestic Escort models........Yes. All Belscort models.......No.

Escort and Beltronics (aka. Belscort) are actually one and the same company. There are numerous Escort and Bel models that have program options that significantly improve the reaction time of their detectors, but only a handful have ever been sold in the US.

The Bel STi-R and older RX65(S7) models have Ka Band Segmentation and an RDR filter option (or simply USA mode on the RX65) that make these detectors as fast as or faster than the V1 at alerting to IO. The current STi-R Plus has the same options and is the reason why it is such a magnificent all around detector.

While Escort has never sold a detector with these options in the US, nearly all of their International models have some form of Ka segmentation along with an RDR filter toggle.

It is actually the option to turn RDR off that has the greatest impact on improving the response time of their detectors.

Why are these options available in Europe and not here? Well, because without them the slow reaction times of the Belscorts would be of absolutely no value against the low powered speed cams used over seas. So unless Escort/Bel wanted to give all that business to Valentine, they needed to fix that little issue over there.

Over here is a different story. The target market is Soccer moms and techno dummies who have no clue and prefer a quiet detector until they get the red and blues in the rear view mirror.

BTW........the new RX65 with the M4 horn does very little for you in USA mode in terms of improved reaction times. It's only the older S7 models that have improved reaction time in USA mode. My take is some programmer forgot a line or two of code when translating USA mode firmware from the S7 over to the new M4 platform.

Here is a compare of the response time of the old RX65(S7) to a new Valentine one vs. Quick Trigger instant on.

Your video title says Ka-Guard ON? Why would you decrease sensitivity of the "old 3.872" by turning POP OFF?

Uh oh.......I've upset a zombie.......again.

Yes, Ka Guard on because when I run the V1 with guard off it generates way too many Ka falses. Yes, the V1 is alot faster with Ka Guard off.

The point about POP off making the Valentine less sensitive is not valid here.......this test was done using 34.7 Ka and POP "on" takes away from the Valentine's performance on this frequency if anything.

POP simply inserts more mini sweeps on 33.8 Ka and 24.150 K-Band. So if I were using either one of those frequencies in this test I could see your point.

I've noticed the V1 reaction time slows down on the older models when you modify any of the settings, possibly sloppy programmers didn't design the checking methods very well and it checks each time an alert is received to see what the user preferences are, just a theory...annnddd...Are you timing these with a human controlled stopwatch? Keep in mind a 3.872 is not that new, try the 3.892 and higher as it has been repeatedly stated on this forum that it seems to perform a LOT better than these older units on both K and KA band on both range and response time, not to mention THEY ARE STILL BEING SOLD . As far as the KA guard off, on the interstate I'd rather have the control to turn it off in MY hands and maybe slow down a few MPH for a "false" from a cobra user, than to get a ticket from a bear popping every single car with quick I/O and not set off my $500+ belscort detector....I had a 9500IX and when I timed it, it literally took over two whole seconds to alert to K band(see my old posts)...maybe I had a defective unit, I dunno...but I sent that sucker back for a newer V1 as I'd rather live with the two or three door openers on my 30 min drive to work reminding me that my unit is working, rather than hear nothing until the officer swaps over to C/O for tracking history after he decides to pull me over.

[nine_c1]

I've noticed the V1 reaction time slows down on the older models when you modify any of the settings, possibly sloppy programmers didn't design the checking methods very well and it checks each time an alert is received to see what the user preferences are, just a theory...annnddd...Are you timing these with a human controlled stopwatch? Keep in mind a 3.872 is not that new, try the 3.892 and higher as it has been repeatedly stated on this forum that it seems to perform a LOT better than these older units on both K and KA band on both range and response time, not to mention THEY ARE STILL BEING SOLD . As far as the KA guard off, on the interstate I'd rather have the control to turn it off in MY hands and maybe slow down a few MPH for a "false" from a cobra user, than to get a ticket from a bear popping every single car with quick I/O and not set off my $500+ belscort detector....I had a 9500IX and when I timed it, it literally took over two whole seconds to alert to K band(see my old posts)...maybe I had a defective unit, I dunno...but I sent that sucker back for a newer V1 as I'd rather live with the two or three door openers on my 30 min drive to work reminding me that my unit is working, rather than hear nothing until the officer swaps over to C/O for tracking history after he decides to pull me over.

The V1 tested here was a 3.892 version.

Yep.......a human timer.......digital stop watch in one hand and the radar remote in the other. Using two digital timers I found that the left hand / right hand variance is usually under 20 milliseconds.

I'm all for options, and the ability to turn Ka Guard off on the V1 is an option I'd rather have than not. The Ka falsing can become numbing, so I reserved it's use for those open highway runs where I was looking to make serious time.

All of the Escorts I've tested are relatively slow in the response department, but have kept it under 1 second in responding to a radar shot unless running in POP mode. With POP on, response to anything other than 33.8 can easily exceed 1 full second.