LI messages

[sailor_david]

Well, I received my unit last week and installed it this week. The unit is great, built well, easy to install, and the messages are clear. I used 3m molding tape to attach both heads.

The message about the sunlight is cool at first, but with winter coming it becomes annoying quickly when it goes off 5 or 6 times during your drive home. Ivan I know you are working on the ability to customize the messages and this is one I would love to be able to turn off

In terms of questions, I am nervous that the heads will fall off as they get wet or snow on them. Is that tape pretty reliable as I would hate to have one fall off and end up in my radiator. I also found the tape really stuck to my plastic grill but did not seem to stick as well the the LI head.

Dave

[Eloi]

I suggest you use some silicone , just a bit does a lot to secure , and not too hard if you pull out the sensors ...nobody likes dangling sensor , or worse get a ticket ...

[sailor_david]

I suggest you use some silicone , just a bit does a lot to secure , and not too hard if you pull out the sensors ...nobody likes dangling sensor , or worse get a ticket ...

Great suggestion, I will give that a try!

[TSi+WRX]

To revisit a thread from the near past.....

I mounted-up my front LIs this past weekend.

The units are extremely light and will mount securely with 3M Automotive Trim/Mo(u)lding tape - as long as you mind properly pre-cleaning (remove the laser warning sticker, then use some water and a clean, lint-free cloth) and then prepping (use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol or high-test ethanol, you can let this air-dry or accelerate drying with a clean, true lint-free, cloth), you should have excellent bonding (keeping in-mind the best curing temperatures, now, as it's getting kind of cold out in many areas of the country - you may have to warm up your mounting surface prior to the initial "stick").

I actually had a hard time moving the first head, after I decided to re-mount it.

Still, I'm somewhat old-fashioned, and favor using hardware. The supplied mounting bracket from LI is one of the easiest I've had to work with (I've also had experience with the Bel/Escort product, as well as the LPP/AL mounting system). Just be sure you also purchase a few extra lock-washers to effect a good mount.

[Serg]

TSi+WRX

Can you post some pictures for us? Thanks

[TSi+WRX]

I'll definitely try!

I meant to do so this weekend, but I couldn't as I was very limited on time (wifey's on-call, and I was the one taking care of Anna - she's still not completely "play independent" just yet).

[o2bad455]

In my experience, brake cleaner works great (often better than alcohol) for prepping the surfaces for adhesive. Dries fast too

[TSi+WRX]

^ That's honestly not a bad idea!

Just be sure to spray the cleaner into a secondary container, first (or onto the cloth), to prevent un-necessary overspray.

[ Aside - 02bad455, what's your opinion/thoughts on whether or not if we should stick to non-chlorinated brake cleaners? I know (and use) such on electrical connectors is not a problem, and it's typically "preferred" for the more delicate parts. Any truth to that? ]

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Serg -

Here ya go, bro!

In each of these two pictures, the jammer heads are highlighted by/enclosed in yellow ovals.

The ones in my upper grill's outer corners are my LPP heads.

The ones in the lower grill are, at the top, the LIs. Slaved to them, below, are the ZR3s.

I apologize to my fellow car-lovers that my car is rather dirty at the moment. ops:



I'm really bad at taking pictures, and the setting sun, as you see here, certainly doesn't help. However, this nicely shows the combo LI/ZR3 setup.

The LPP, LI, and ZR3 heads are all true-level, zero-bubble. This picture makes them look like they're pointed down. The LPP and LI heads both also point straight/down-road - the ZR3 heads are purposely angled "out" to effect better off-axis capture (since their primary purpose is no longer jamming, but reception/detection, this was a suggestion that many, including RacerX and crazyVOLVOrob had made to optimize their "secondary" use and strengths).

The LI heads protrude a bit from the front bumper skin at the receiving (outboard) corners. This was necessary to effect true straight/down-road positioning. I know that this compromises their "protection" somewhat, but it's a risk I'm knowingly taking.

The LPP heads are "flush" with the grill's darker surfaces. They're my secondary/backup jammers now, and I know I'm compromising extreme off-axis as well as over-hill reception for the cosmetic blend. Hiding the jammers isn't a legal concern where I am, so this is purely aesthetic.



[ Aside - I know you can see the grey 3M tape, but that's something I won't address until later - since I was pressed for time during this install. ops: ]

I am somewhat concerned about the absolute performance of the LPPs in that they are now receiving significant radiant heat from the radiator. We all know that the LPP's performance decreases significantly due to excessive heat. I hope that this location, when the vehicle is at-speed (the "open road" scenario is when I'll employ the dual-jammer tactic, anyway), should effect decent cooling. Also, I hope that during the winter months, the radiant heat would work to also negate the observed low-temperature issues seen with LPP performance.

Hope this answers it for ya, bro!

[PMoth]

TSi+WRX, you do know that if you mount your LI were the LPP is mounted, that is all you need for JTG. You have a little too much equipment mounted up front.

[TSi+WRX]

^ Way too much equipment. ops:

I'd like to keep the ZR3s in their current front/rear configuration - unless the LI team can come up with a way to distinguish front versus rear shots (which I hope that something could be done in this manner), the ZR3 offers me the luxury of having an unmistakable tactical notice of the location of the incoming threat. Since it integrates into my x50, this is, for now, a "no-lose" situation.

With the LI, I did have a feeling that their mounting to the upper grill location would offer me JTG protection. However, in order to place them there, they will offer much more visual signature than the LPPs, whose heads fit that location "just right" due to the physical configuration of my upper grill inserts/supports. An additional concern I would have in mounting the LI there would be how much performance - particularly in an "over the crest" situation - would be degraded, since this part of my vehicle is significantly recessed from the bumper overhang (and plate). For this trade-off, though, I would expect excellent "overhead" protection from overpass scenarios.

Currently, another issue with the LI has me doubling-up on primary frontal protection, regardless - this is the remaining concern about the longevity/reliability/durability of the LI. Although, as I have always said to others, that this should *not* prove to be a concern, given the experience that the LI principal has had with the AL/LPP as well as the excellent track-record of the previous-generation LIs, it still nevertheless remains an "unproven" at this particular time-point, and this is a situation that can only be remedied by time-on-market/road.

Downstream, once this last concern has evaporated, I'd likely again re-configure my setup - hopefully with full quantitative testing at that time. It's my hope at that time that I'd purchase an aftermarket upper grill to further refine a truly "permanent" installation (yes, I used the brackets/screws to affix the LI heads, to supplement the tape - as I see a lot of rather nasty weather in this area; but I still don't consider this setup, now, to be "finalized"), as well as to then spot-install the remaining LPP setup to equip whatever vehicle (i.e. rentals, my wifey's car, etc.) we would take on longer trips.



Thank you, genuinely, brother, for your concern, though!