Just Enough Counter-Measure?

[OfficerDoughnut]

Well..
After reading a ton of posts, I'd like to ask a question...

I have a Black Hyundai Sonata, No front plate, minimal chrome. The biggest problem, are the headlights. So, I went with ZR3, which I got new for a couple of bennies. Got tagged on the Mass Pike 50' behind someone in the slow lane, ZR3 went nuts, but the 9955 never saw the 1/2 second I saw the cop. Not surprised since the beam must have been tiny and he was going after headlights.

A Cobra 9955 (which also runs the middle of the pack, and has saved my a$$ twice on Radar, so it's fine by me and passes my real life test).

Did I mount the heads in the best location? See Picture I've uploaded. I know Veil would help. More interested in location of the heads? I didn't see a better place for them... and they are not stealth in the least bit. they stick out about 3/4"-1" in front of the body.


Thanks alot for your replies, and hope to become a 'good' contributing member of this group.

[AirMoore]

IMO They are too low... they need to go to the left or right of the "H" for optimal protection (maybe one grill slot lower then the "H"). They are weak jammers, and need optimal placement for 'decent' protection.


With a ZR3 you are going to NEED G4 (Veil) because those jammers are going to have a hard time protecting those HL's... not to mention some newer guns/specific gun modes (truspeed and laser Atlanta Stealth-Mode) will eat them alive.


IMO: Right now you will see massive PT's at anything under 500ft when aiming at HL's with any gun, and even some instant PT's when aiming at the headlights out to 800feet. G4 would sure this up, but I think moving them is your best bet.

Right now it's as if you are protecting fog-light shots, rather then HL shots... IMO.

PS: Get rid of the Cobra... seriously, we tell people on here not to buy them for a reason: They don't work well (... Ok mainly we just care that they spew lots of interference that our RD's may alert to in the air), but they still suck.

Just enough protection huh? Normally I would have a quip remark for this making vague allusions to sex (or not-so-vague) allusions that would be sure to get the point across to you... but alas, I am tired, got out of work not-so-long ago, I hit bumped my head hard earlier... and just ate 2 dinners back-to-back, so someone else can do that. That is all.

[ELVATO]

You could probably get good PTs on the top of the grille with a UL/TS and a steady hand.

[category4]

X2^

The ZR3;s need to be higher for optimal performance. Since the ZR3 is not the strongest jammer out there it needs optimal location to be effective.

The good news is that the ZR3 tends to perform better in real world than in test scenarios. This is mainly due to the fact that the goal in the real world is to slow below the ticket threshold and testing is to JTG. Having a black car definately helps though.

[OfficerDoughnut]

Thanks for the responses...

The Cobra... Well, yes it does spew out 'noise'. Won't argue that point. But for the time being it has to stay, it's worked fine and does give me a good amount of warning on both K and Ka. It alone has paid for itself six times over in CT. (They tend to rape us with speeding tickets)

I was also thinking that I was a bit low on the mount for my iPass system. I thought about mounting in the grill but didn't want to cut out one of the vertical pieces on each side. Looks like I don't have a choice no matter what heads I would have put in there anyways.


Thanks... next order is for some G4. And time to break out the Dremel! Would be interested in taking some real world shots (not by leo) and seeing how well they do work. Too bad I missed NJ, would have volunteered just to get shot at.

[Stealth Stalker]

Agree with others that it needs to be up in the first or second grille slat, as widely spaced as possible, for you to have the slightest chance with a ZR.

By LIDAR standards, that is a lot of chrome. Something as small as a tiny grille badge is enough to give a quick LIDAR reading. You've got a lot more than that, so don't underestimate your exposure.

I've tested many cars smaller than yours, with less chrome, and Veiled headlights that the ZR4 simply could not protect. The very best you can possibly hope for is that it *might* help protect you for a VERY short time against the PLIII if the officer shoots you at a much greater distance than they usually do. And if that knowledge makes you feel protected, then all it's doing is giving you a false sense of security, which is more likely to result in a ticket than knowing you have no protection at all.

[Batman]

Agree with others that it needs to be up in the first or second grille slat, as widely spaced as possible, for you to have the slightest chance with a ZR.

By LIDAR standards, that is a lot of chrome. Something as small as a tiny grille badge is enough to give a quick LIDAR reading. You've got a lot more than that, so don't underestimate your exposure.

I've tested many cars smaller than yours, with less chrome, and Veiled headlights that the ZR4 simply could not protect. The very best you can possibly hope for is that it *might* help protect you for a VERY short time against the PLIII if the officer shoots you at a much greater distance than they usually do. And if that knowledge makes you feel protected, then all it's doing is giving you a false sense of security, which is more likely to result in a ticket than knowing you have no protection at all.

Agree with SS with the addition that what he describes should not make you feel safe. I would say its a waste of money having jammers unless you can JTG everything. Otherwise its akin to playing russian roulette - sometimes you win, sometimes you get killed.

[AirMoore]

Agree with SS with the addition that what he describes should not make you feel safe. I would say its a waste of money having jammers unless you can JTG everything. Otherwise its akin to playing russian roulette - sometimes you win, sometimes you get killed.

I think that is taking it a bit far... as per the fact that has been stated here too many times before: None of our countermeasures are fool-proof 100% of the time... ever. Not even these JTG/JFG set-ups we have.


If you start thinking they are, then you are going to run into the same problem that the people who have lesser countermeasures do... it's all about running within the bounds of what you do have. You don't need JTG/JFG, you just need to run within the bounds of what you do have to be safe.

I don't want to speak for SS here:But I think what he was trying to say to the new-guy was that his set-up is very lack-luster... and his 'just-enough' protection... is basically nothing at all... so run with it as if it is doing nothing at all.


Honestly batman75... I stink at lidar shooting (CVR can attest to that), and I will almost guarantee that if you give me a full-day of shooting at your car, I will get a PT... and that is all it would take for an officer... just to get that random lucky shot.


It may be one of those rare high-angle rear-overpass shots that he gets lucky with who knows... but it just takes one, and overpass or on-ramp shots aren't unheard of by any means.


So JTF/JFG everything is taking it a bit far IMO, though the more you can JTG/JFG the better.


That's like saying to me if I am on a trip on the interstate and all I have is a V940... that I shouldn't take it, as it won't pick up Q/T's or really long distance I/O like an STi-R or V1 are likely too... its not that, its just running within the bounds of what you do have.

[Batman]

I knw what you are saying, but a situation where you can jam to 500 feet and against 60% of guns, gives you a pretty low percentage of jams in a real world environment where cops tend to want to the car close enough to aim accurately. I don't think I can recall being shot with lidar at above 500 feet.

[crazyVOLVOrob]

JTG and JFG performance is OVER-RATED!!!!!!

Guys how about you help the guy improve the set-up he has with minimal added expense. Not everyone can spend money on another jammer.

It is obvious that this guy needs to buy a new radar detector so don't make him spend money on another jammer


Let me guess you guys probably would think AirMoore's set-up of Blinder M25 j16 just for the front is not enough but it is.


If the OP moves his heads higher and adds VEIL he'll set-up will be perfect going against a cop that isn't expecting a jammer!!!!

MA Troopers use LTI Ultralytes and Laser Atlanta's. LA's are JTG'd by zr3's easily